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date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:00:57 -0500,    group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security        back       


Installing Access 97 on Vista   
A google search of this topic showed some discussions of this exact 
problem, but nothing about how to actually solve the problem.

I have a user who needs to run Access97 on their brand new Vista 
computer (Enterprise - but I don't think that matters).   At the end of 
the installation (setup.exe run as Administrator), I get an error that says
  "an error occurred at changing the workgroup database
   SETUP couldn't create a system.mdw file.  Reboot your computer and
   run Workgroup Administrator before you run the application"

So I did that (as Administrator).

Nada.

Copied a System.mdw file from another machine and put it in a directory 
called "C:\Apps\Office97Extras\" and pointed to it using Workgroup Admin.

Still nada.



I am officially out of ideas.  Anyone else?  Anyone?  Bueller?


(I looked for an Access newsgroup to post this to, but none of them 
seemed appropriate for this question)

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Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes@tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:00:57 -0500   author:   Chris Barnes

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:00:57 -0500, Chris Barnes
 wrote:

>A google search of this topic showed some discussions of this exact 
>problem, but nothing about how to actually solve the problem.

http://accessblog.net/2007/06/access-97-on-vista.html


>I have a user who needs to run Access97 on their brand new Vista 
>computer (Enterprise - but I don't think that matters).   At the end of 
>the installation (setup.exe run as Administrator), I get an error that says
>  "an error occurred at changing the workgroup database
>   SETUP couldn't create a system.mdw file.  Reboot your computer and
>   run Workgroup Administrator before you run the application"
>
>So I did that (as Administrator).
>
>Nada.
>
>Copied a System.mdw file from another machine and put it in a directory 
>called "C:\Apps\Office97Extras\" and pointed to it using Workgroup Admin.
>
>Still nada.
>
>
>
>I am officially out of ideas.  Anyone else?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>
>
>(I looked for an Access newsgroup to post this to, but none of them 
>seemed appropriate for this question)
date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:27:20 -0500   author:   Paul Montgomery

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
Try cross post to an Access group

"Chris Barnes"  wrote in message 
news:%23gi5%233ZHJHA.1940@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A google search of this topic showed some discussions of this exact 
>problem, but nothing about how to actually solve the problem.
>
> I have a user who needs to run Access97 on their brand new Vista computer 
> (Enterprise - but I don't think that matters).   At the end of the 
> installation (setup.exe run as Administrator), I get an error that says
>  "an error occurred at changing the workgroup database
>   SETUP couldn't create a system.mdw file.  Reboot your computer and
>   run Workgroup Administrator before you run the application"
>
> So I did that (as Administrator).
>
> Nada.
>
> Copied a System.mdw file from another machine and put it in a directory 
> called "C:\Apps\Office97Extras\" and pointed to it using Workgroup Admin.
>
> Still nada.
>
>
>
> I am officially out of ideas.  Anyone else?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>
>
> (I looked for an Access newsgroup to post this to, but none of them seemed 
> appropriate for this question)
>
> -- 
>
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> Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
> chris-barnes@tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:04:11 +0100   author:   DL address@invalid

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:04:11 +0100, "DL" <address@invalid> wrote:

>Try cross post to an Access group

Reading is a skill, DL (Dim Lamp?):

>> (I looked for an Access newsgroup to post this to, but none of them seemed 
>> appropriate for this question)
date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:26:32 -0500   author:   Paul Montgomery

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:04:11 +0100, "DL" <address@invalid> wrote:

>Try cross post to an Access group

The OP looked for an appropriate Access group already and didn't find
one.

DDW
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date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:34:04 -0500   author:   DDW

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
Did you check to see if Access 97 is compatible with Vista? The fact that it 
shows an error related to \system files could be a hint that it may be time 
to update your application to something slightly more current. Access 97, 
obviously, is several iterations below Access 2007, in software years - that 
is ancient.

Have you tried the "compatibility setting". I think you did, but had to 
bring it up. Under compatibility I think there is setting which makes 
suggestions on how to apply "shims" which you can use to fool the OS into 
allowing the app to run?

If that didn't work - you may be able to do a a step migration. Install an 
intermediate version of access, see if you can convert the program to run 
under something like access 2000 or 2003 - then import it into access 2007. 
Waiting is not always the best thing to do when it comes to custom 
applications minus code. Not ragging on you you, just restating the obvious.

"Chris Barnes"  wrote in message 
news:%23gi5%233ZHJHA.1940@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A google search of this topic showed some discussions of this exact 
>problem, but nothing about how to actually solve the problem.
>
> I have a user who needs to run Access97 on their brand new Vista computer 
> (Enterprise - but I don't think that matters).   At the end of the 
> installation (setup.exe run as Administrator), I get an error that says
>  "an error occurred at changing the workgroup database
>   SETUP couldn't create a system.mdw file.  Reboot your computer and
>   run Workgroup Administrator before you run the application"
>
> So I did that (as Administrator).
>
> Nada.
>
> Copied a System.mdw file from another machine and put it in a directory 
> called "C:\Apps\Office97Extras\" and pointed to it using Workgroup Admin.
>
> Still nada.
>
>
>
> I am officially out of ideas.  Anyone else?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>
>
> (I looked for an Access newsgroup to post this to, but none of them seemed 
> appropriate for this question)
>
> -- 
>
> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
> Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
> chris-barnes@tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:08:31 -0700   author:   Beoweolf

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
try installing virtual PC 2007 on your vista system. Create a downgraded PC, 
then install and run your application in that virtual OSE.


"Chris Barnes"  wrote in message 
news:%23gi5%233ZHJHA.1940@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A google search of this topic showed some discussions of this exact 
>problem, but nothing about how to actually solve the problem.
>
> I have a user who needs to run Access97 on their brand new Vista computer 
> (Enterprise - but I don't think that matters).   At the end of the 
> installation (setup.exe run as Administrator), I get an error that says
>  "an error occurred at changing the workgroup database
>   SETUP couldn't create a system.mdw file.  Reboot your computer and
>   run Workgroup Administrator before you run the application"
>
> So I did that (as Administrator).
>
> Nada.
>
> Copied a System.mdw file from another machine and put it in a directory 
> called "C:\Apps\Office97Extras\" and pointed to it using Workgroup Admin.
>
> Still nada.
>
>
>
> I am officially out of ideas.  Anyone else?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>
>
> (I looked for an Access newsgroup to post this to, but none of them seemed 
> appropriate for this question)
>
> -- 
>
> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
> Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
> chris-barnes@tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:13:06 -0700   author:   Beoweolf

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
"Chris Barnes"  wrote in message 
news:%23gi5%233ZHJHA.1940@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A google search of this topic showed some discussions of this exact 
>problem, but nothing about how to actually solve the problem.
>
> I have a user who needs to run Access97 on their brand new Vista computer 
> (Enterprise - but I don't think that matters).   At the end of the 
> installation (setup.exe run as Administrator), I get an error that says
>  "an error occurred at changing the workgroup database
>   SETUP couldn't create a system.mdw file.  Reboot your computer and
>   run Workgroup Administrator before you run the application"
>
> So I did that (as Administrator).
>
> Nada.
>
> Copied a System.mdw file from another machine and put it in a directory 
> called "C:\Apps\Office97Extras\" and pointed to it using Workgroup Admin.
>
> Still nada.
>
>
>
> I am officially out of ideas.  Anyone else?  Anyone?  Bueller?
>


I would rather use Open Office Base (v 2.4 I think is current) than 
something that is THAT old.....
date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:21:44 +0100   author:   Gordon lid

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
DL wrote:
> Try cross post to an Access group
> 
>> (I looked for an Access newsgroup to post this to, but none of them seemed 
>> appropriate for this question)


Reading all the way to the end of the OP would be helpful...


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Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes@tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:54:30 -0500   author:   Chris Barnes

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
Beoweolf wrote:
> Did you check to see if Access 97 is compatible with Vista? The fact that it 
> shows an error related to \system files could be a hint that it may be time 
> to update your application to something slightly more current. Access 97, 
> obviously, is several iterations below Access 2007, in software years - that 
> is ancient.

A few years ago my wife and I bought some land and began building a 
house we had been dreaming of for 20+ years.  We were very involved in 
every step of the process, doing ALOT of the work ourselves.  But, not 
being professional construction homebuilders, we still hired a 
professional contractor to oversee everything (including the work we 
did).   His name was Jay.   We became pretty good friends during the 
process.


During the building, my wife would often ask "can we do such-and-such".

Jay always had the same answer:  "Sure.  All it takes it money".


So it is with upgrading custom apps written in Access 97.  Could it be 
updated to run in Access 2000,2002,2003,2007?   Sure - all it would take 
is the money to pay the programmers.   And for a program that ran "just 
fine" as it was, it just didn't make alot of sense to spend that money 
when we didn't have to.


For the record, the entire app *is* being replaced (with QuickBooks - 
which tells you what kind of app it is/was).  But we still need to be 
able to get into it for historical reasons.

All this to simply say this:  if you can't answer the question being 
asked (as others were able to do), keep your fingers off the keyboard.

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Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes@tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:02:56 -0500   author:   Chris Barnes

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
Answering my own question, since I found a way to do it

(1) Install somewhere OTHER than into the default location.  I installed 
to C:\Apps\MSOffice97

(2) Edit the properties of the folder (I did the entire C:\Apps) such 
that USERS have FULL CONTROL

(3) copy the system.mdw file to this location and point to it using 
Workgroup Admin

(4) install SP2 and Jet3.5 (to solve the "Out of Memory" problem which 
is what next comes up).


Done.  Now Access 97 happily runs on Vista.

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Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes@tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:07:05 -0500   author:   Chris Barnes

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:54:30 -0500, Chris Barnes wrote:

> DL wrote:
>> Try cross post to an Access group
>> 
>>> (I looked for an Access newsgroup to post this to, but none of them seemed 
>>> appropriate for this question)
> 
> 
> Reading all the way to the end of the OP would be helpful...

Just as reading all posts in a thread would be in your case. You're now the
3rd person to state exactly the same thing.

-- 
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MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
If at first you don't succeed, you must be a programmer.
date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:07:29 -0400   author:   Paul Adare - MVP

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
The important thing is your satisfaction with the answer. My mistake was in 
thinking that you didn't know the answer for the question you asked. 
Obviously this is your hobby and your sole purpose was to solicit requests 
and critique them based on some nebulous suitability index that only you 
know. Fortunately, now I know too.


"Chris Barnes"  wrote in message 
news:eGJyujoHJHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Beoweolf wrote:
>> Did you check to see if Access 97 is compatible with Vista? The fact that 
>> it shows an error related to \system files could be a hint that it may be 
>> time to update your application to something slightly more current. 
>> Access 97, obviously, is several iterations below Access 2007, in 
>> software years - that is ancient.
>
> A few years ago my wife and I bought some land and began building a house 
> we had been dreaming of for 20+ years.  We were very involved in every 
> step of the process, doing ALOT of the work ourselves.  But, not being 
> professional construction homebuilders, we still hired a professional 
> contractor to oversee everything (including the work we did).   His name 
> was Jay.   We became pretty good friends during the process.
>
>
> During the building, my wife would often ask "can we do such-and-such".
>
> Jay always had the same answer:  "Sure.  All it takes it money".
>
>
> So it is with upgrading custom apps written in Access 97.  Could it be 
> updated to run in Access 2000,2002,2003,2007?   Sure - all it would take 
> is the money to pay the programmers.   And for a program that ran "just 
> fine" as it was, it just didn't make alot of sense to spend that money 
> when we didn't have to.
>
>
> For the record, the entire app *is* being replaced (with QuickBooks - 
> which tells you what kind of app it is/was).  But we still need to be able 
> to get into it for historical reasons.
>
> All this to simply say this:  if you can't answer the question being asked 
> (as others were able to do), keep your fingers off the keyboard.
>
> -- 
>
> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
> Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
> chris-barnes@tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:36:34 -0700   author:   Beoweolf

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:36:34 -0700, "Beoweolf"
 wrote:

>The important thing is your satisfaction with the answer. My mistake was in 
>thinking that you didn't know the answer for the question you asked. 

And in not knowing that he is a pretentious, pompous ass when he
perceives someone is questioning his knowledge.


>Obviously this is your hobby and your sole purpose was to solicit requests 
>and critique them based on some nebulous suitability index that only you 
>know. Fortunately, now I know too.
>
>
>"Chris Barnes"  wrote in message 
>news:eGJyujoHJHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Beoweolf wrote:
>>> Did you check to see if Access 97 is compatible with Vista? The fact that 
>>> it shows an error related to \system files could be a hint that it may be 
>>> time to update your application to something slightly more current. 
>>> Access 97, obviously, is several iterations below Access 2007, in 
>>> software years - that is ancient.
>>
>> A few years ago my wife and I bought some land and began building a house 
>> we had been dreaming of for 20+ years.  We were very involved in every 
>> step of the process, doing ALOT of the work ourselves.  But, not being 
>> professional construction homebuilders, we still hired a professional 
>> contractor to oversee everything (including the work we did).   His name 
>> was Jay.   We became pretty good friends during the process.
>>
>>
>> During the building, my wife would often ask "can we do such-and-such".
>>
>> Jay always had the same answer:  "Sure.  All it takes it money".
>>
>>
>> So it is with upgrading custom apps written in Access 97.  Could it be 
>> updated to run in Access 2000,2002,2003,2007?   Sure - all it would take 
>> is the money to pay the programmers.   And for a program that ran "just 
>> fine" as it was, it just didn't make alot of sense to spend that money 
>> when we didn't have to.
>>
>>
>> For the record, the entire app *is* being replaced (with QuickBooks - 
>> which tells you what kind of app it is/was).  But we still need to be able 
>> to get into it for historical reasons.
>>
>> All this to simply say this:  if you can't answer the question being asked 
>> (as others were able to do), keep your fingers off the keyboard.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
>> Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
>> chris-barnes@tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:58:03 -0500   author:   Paul Montgomery

Re: Installing Access 97 on Vista   
Hi 

It probably is a stupid question but what is SP2 and where can I find
it, and where can I find the jet upgrade. I got to point 3 of CHris
solution, but as you see I fail the knowledge to solve the stupid out of
memory message


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date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:17:11 +0100   author:   henri

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