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date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:23:07 -0700,    group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security        back       


Windows update keeps downloading same update   
I keep getting the notice "New updates are available", and I have sucessfully 
downloading Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service Pack 
2 (KB936181) 8 times in the past 6 days.
I have restarted Windows several times, but the updates keep coming! What 
can I do to satisfy Microsoft that I have sucessfully installed this update?
date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:23:07 -0700   author:   David-in-NH

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
"David-in-NH"  wrote in message 
news:48B848AA-F976-48BA-ADF7-205EA4CC45F6@microsoft.com...
>I keep getting the notice "New updates are available", and I have 
>sucessfully
> downloading Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service 
> Pack
> 2 (KB936181) 8 times in the past 6 days.
> I have restarted Windows several times, but the updates keep coming! What
> can I do to satisfy Microsoft that I have sucessfully installed this 
> update?
>


Uninstall the update.  Then find the update on MS's web-site and download 
the manual installation package and install it from there.  I have a couple 
of installation packages that I had to do this for.  It appears the Vista 
updates are not as rock solid as the XP updates.

Mike Ober.
date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:49:51 -0600   author:   Michael D. Ober obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam.

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
"David-in-NH"  wrote in message 
news:48B848AA-F976-48BA-ADF7-205EA4CC45F6@microsoft.com...
>I keep getting the notice "New updates are available", and I have 
>sucessfully
> downloading Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service 
> Pack
> 2 (KB936181) 8 times in the past 6 days.
> I have restarted Windows several times, but the updates keep coming! What
> can I do to satisfy Microsoft that I have sucessfully installed this 
> update?

You tell Windows Update to not include the update. That would require that 
you put Windows Update in manual mode, you view the list of updates, you 
select the update you don't want, you right-click it, and you tell it to 
hide the update. You do that, and it's not coming to the machine in the 
updates.
date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:55:42 -0400   author:   Mr. Arnold MR.

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
David, Here's the MS Download Center link:

Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service Pack 2 
(KB936181)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=021e12f5-cb46-43df-a2b8-185639ba2807

You are correct about KB936181 Mike, except the issue is not limited to 
Vista :  Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service 
Pack 2 (KB936181) may repeatedly appear in the update list on Microsoft 
Update or on Windows Update
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/941729

Applies to Automatic Updates as well even if the KB doesn't mention it.

MowGreen  [MVP 2003-2008]
===============
  *-343-*  FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============




Michael D. Ober wrote:

> "David-in-NH"  wrote in message 
> news:48B848AA-F976-48BA-ADF7-205EA4CC45F6@microsoft.com...
> 
>> I keep getting the notice "New updates are available", and I have 
>> sucessfully
>> downloading Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 
>> Service Pack
>> 2 (KB936181) 8 times in the past 6 days.
>> I have restarted Windows several times, but the updates keep coming! What
>> can I do to satisfy Microsoft that I have sucessfully installed this 
>> update?
>>
> 
> 
> Uninstall the update.  Then find the update on MS's web-site and 
> download the manual installation package and install it from there.  I 
> have a couple of installation packages that I had to do this for.  It 
> appears the Vista updates are not as rock solid as the XP updates.
> 
> Mike Ober.
> 
>
date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:56:20 -0700   author:   MowGreen [MVP]

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
Thanks for the response. However, when I go to programs & features/installed 
updates, KB936181 is not listed. But in my update history, I see that it was 
"sucessfully installed" 11 times BEGINNING 7/14.
Following  MOWGREEN's input, I went to 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=021e12f5-cb46-43df-a2b8-185639ba2807
 and saved the download. But when I try to open it, I get the 
message..."Error opening log file. Verify that the specific log file location 
exists + is writable." Now I've gone from 8 to 11 updates "sucessfully 
installed". I'm reluctant to instruct UPDATE to disregard this update since 
it ts marked "important".  If this update is truly imortant, why hasn't 
Microsoft fixed this download problem??? Is this somehow related to the auto 
update to SP1 I received on 7/13?
David-in-NH 
 -----------

"Michael D. Ober" wrote:

> "David-in-NH"  wrote in message 
> news:48B848AA-F976-48BA-ADF7-205EA4CC45F6@microsoft.com...
> >I keep getting the notice "New updates are available", and I have 
> >sucessfully
> > downloading Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service 
> > Pack
> > 2 (KB936181) 8 times in the past 6 days.
> > I have restarted Windows several times, but the updates keep coming! What
> > can I do to satisfy Microsoft that I have sucessfully installed this 
> > update?
> >
> 
> 
> Uninstall the update.  Then find the update on MS's web-site and download 
> the manual installation package and install it from there.  I have a couple 
> of installation packages that I had to do this for.  It appears the Vista 
> updates are not as rock solid as the XP updates.
> 
> Mike Ober.
> 
> 
>
date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:47:01 -0700   author:   David-in-NH

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
Hi Sorry to interrupt  but i have almost same problem.Yesterday i
installed Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service
Pack 2 (KB936181) but today and it sows again new update available
KB9361833(I think i dont remmember properly maybe wrong coz i search for
this and no results ) coz i was stressed and clicked Hide this so its
gone.when I go to programs & features/installed
updates, KB936181 is not listed thr . But  update history, I see that
it was
installed.So now what should i do ???Im using Visat ultimate service
pack 1


-- 
Jay
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jay's Profile: http://winvistaclub.com/forum/member.php?userid=61
View this thread: http://winvistaclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15399
date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:14:22 +0530   author:   Jay

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:14:22 +0530, Jay 
wrote:

>
>Hi Sorry to interrupt 

You're not only interrupting, you're hijacking the thread.  

Start a new thread rather than jump into someone else's when you have
a problem that is "almost same"..


> but i have almost same problem.Yesterday i
>installed Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service
>Pack 2 (KB936181) but today and it sows again new update available
>KB9361833(I think i dont remmember properly maybe wrong coz i search for
>this and no results ) coz i was stressed and clicked Hide this so its
>gone.when I go to programs & features/installed
>updates, KB936181 is not listed thr . But  update history, I see that
>it was
>installed.So now what should i do ???Im using Visat ultimate service
>pack 1
date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:16:36 -0500   author:   Nonny

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
David-in-NH;781945 Wrote: 
> I keep getting the notice "New updates are available", and I have
> sucessfully
> downloading Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service
> Pack
> 2 (KB936181) 8 times in the past 6 days.
> I have restarted Windows several times, but the updates keep coming!
> What
> can I do to satisfy Microsoft that I have sucessfully installed this
> update?

Jay;782975 Wrote: 
> Hi Sorry to interrupt but i have almost same problem.Yesterday i
> installed Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service
> Pack 2 (KB936181) but today and it sows again new update available
> KB9361833(I think i dont remmember properly maybe wrong coz i search
> for
> this and no results ) coz i was stressed and clicked Hide this so its
> gone.when I go to programs & features/installed
> updates, KB936181 is not listed thr . But update history, I see that
> it was
> installed.So now what should i do ???Im using Visat ultimate service
> pack 1
> 
> 
> --
> Jay
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jay's Profile: 'Windows Vista Help Forum - View Profile: Jay'
> (http://winvistaclub.com/forum/member.php?userid=61)
> View this thread: 'Windows update keeps downloading same update -
> Windows Vista Help Forum'
> (http://winvistaclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15399)


Hello David and Jay,
Go to Check for Update window, right click on KB936181, click HIDE.
That's it. you won't see it again.


-- 
t-4-2
date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:15:37 -0500   author:   t-4-2

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
HIDING the update does NOT mitigate the *vulnerability* that it addresses.
Perhaps you need to read this:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS07-042.mspx

MowGreen  [MVP 2003-2008]
===============
  *-343-*  FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============



t-4-2 wrote:

> David-in-NH;781945 Wrote: 
> 
>>I keep getting the notice "New updates are available", and I have
>>sucessfully
>>downloading Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service
>>Pack
>>2 (KB936181) 8 times in the past 6 days.
>>I have restarted Windows several times, but the updates keep coming!
>>What
>>can I do to satisfy Microsoft that I have sucessfully installed this
>>update?
> 
> 
> Jay;782975 Wrote: 
> 
>>Hi Sorry to interrupt but i have almost same problem.Yesterday i
>>installed Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service
>>Pack 2 (KB936181) but today and it sows again new update available
>>KB9361833(I think i dont remmember properly maybe wrong coz i search
>>for
>>this and no results ) coz i was stressed and clicked Hide this so its
>>gone.when I go to programs & features/installed
>>updates, KB936181 is not listed thr . But update history, I see that
>>it was
>>installed.So now what should i do ???Im using Visat ultimate service
>>pack 1
>>
>>
>>--
>>Jay
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Jay's Profile: 'Windows Vista Help Forum - View Profile: Jay'
>>(http://winvistaclub.com/forum/member.php?userid=61)
>>View this thread: 'Windows update keeps downloading same update -
>>Windows Vista Help Forum'
>>(http://winvistaclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15399)
> 
> 
> 
> Hello David and Jay,
> Go to Check for Update window, right click on KB936181, click HIDE.
> That's it. you won't see it again.
> 
>
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:44:34 -0700   author:   MowGreen [MVP]

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
David ... see this KB:

Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service Pack 2 
(KB936181) may repeatedly appear in the update list on Microsoft Update 
or on Windows Update
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/941729

In Vista you'll need to open an Elevated Command Prompt for the 
resolution to work.
command.com [cmd] is located in WINDOWS\system32 and can be found from 
Start Search by entering cmd
*Right* click it and choose 'Run as administrator'
Follow the prompts and then follow the KB article to rename
msxml4.dll

* Is HP software installed ? * If the answer is yes, than that is what's 
keeping msxml4.dll in use and preventing it from being updated properly.


MowGreen  [MVP 2003-2008]
===============
  *-343-*  FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============



David-in-NH wrote:

> Thanks for the response. However, when I go to programs & features/installed 
> updates, KB936181 is not listed. But in my update history, I see that it was 
> "sucessfully installed" 11 times BEGINNING 7/14.
> Following  MOWGREEN's input, I went to 
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=021e12f5-cb46-43df-a2b8-185639ba2807
>  and saved the download. But when I try to open it, I get the 
> message..."Error opening log file. Verify that the specific log file location 
> exists + is writable." Now I've gone from 8 to 11 updates "sucessfully 
> installed". I'm reluctant to instruct UPDATE to disregard this update since 
> it ts marked "important".  If this update is truly imortant, why hasn't 
> Microsoft fixed this download problem??? Is this somehow related to the auto 
> update to SP1 I received on 7/13?
> David-in-NH 
>  -----------
> 
> "Michael D. Ober" wrote:
> 
> 
>>"David-in-NH"  wrote in message 
>>news:48B848AA-F976-48BA-ADF7-205EA4CC45F6@microsoft.com...
>>
>>>I keep getting the notice "New updates are available", and I have 
>>>sucessfully
>>>downloading Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service 
>>>Pack
>>>2 (KB936181) 8 times in the past 6 days.
>>>I have restarted Windows several times, but the updates keep coming! What
>>>can I do to satisfy Microsoft that I have sucessfully installed this 
>>>update?
>>>
>>
>>
>>Uninstall the update.  Then find the update on MS's web-site and download 
>>the manual installation package and install it from there.  I have a couple 
>>of installation packages that I had to do this for.  It appears the Vista 
>>updates are not as rock solid as the XP updates.
>>
>>Mike Ober.
>>
>>
>>
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:51:16 -0700   author:   MowGreen [MVP]

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
'MowGreen [MVP Wrote: 
> ;784206']HIDING the update does NOT mitigate the *vulnerability* that it
> addresses.
> Perhaps you need to read this:
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS07-042.mspx
> 
> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
> ===============
> *-343-* FDNY
> Never Forgotten
> ===============
> 
> 
> 
> t-4-2 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > David-in-NH;781945 Wrote:
> > >> > > > > 
> > > >>I keep getting the notice "New updates are available", and I have
> > > >>sucessfully
> > > >>downloading Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0
> > > Service
> > > >>Pack
> > > >>2 (KB936181) 8 times in the past 6 days.
> > > >>I have restarted Windows several times, but the updates keep coming!
> > > >>What
> > > >>can I do to satisfy Microsoft that I have sucessfully installed this
> > > >>update?> > > > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Jay;782975 Wrote:
> > >> > > > > 
> > > >>Hi Sorry to interrupt but i have almost same problem.Yesterday i
> > > >>installed Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service
> > > >>Pack 2 (KB936181) but today and it sows again new update available
> > > >>KB9361833(I think i dont remmember properly maybe wrong coz i search
> > > >>for
> > > >>this and no results ) coz i was stressed and clicked Hide this so its
> > > >>gone.when I go to programs & features/installed
> > > >>updates, KB936181 is not listed thr . But update history, I see that
> > > >>it was
> > > >>installed.So now what should i do ???Im using Visat ultimate service
> > > >>pack 1
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>--
> > > >>Jay
> > > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>Jay's Profile: 'Windows Vista Help Forum - View Profile: Jay'
> > > >>('Windows Vista Help Forum - View Profile: Jay'
> > > (http://winvistaclub.com/forum/member.php?userid=61))
> > > >>View this thread: 'Windows update keeps downloading same update -
> > > >>Windows Vista Help Forum'
> > > >>('Windows update keeps downloading same update - Windows Vista Help
> > > Forum' (http://winvistaclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15399))> > > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello David and Jay,
> > > Go to Check for Update window, right click on KB936181, click
> > HIDE.
> > > That's it. you won't see it again.
> > >
> > > > > 
There is a misunderstanding . I suggested " Hide " option because the
update had ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED several times. I was not suggesting
NOT to install the update.


-- 
t-4-2
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:51:19 -0500   author:   t-4-2

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:51:16 -0700, MowGreen [MVP] wrote:

> In Vista you'll need to open an Elevated Command Prompt for the 
> resolution to work.
> command.com [cmd] is located in WINDOWS\system32 and can be found from 
> Start Search by entering cmd

Not command.com but cmd.exe.

-- 
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Modem:  A contraction.  As in "Give me some modem cookies."
date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:38:24 -0600   author:   Paul Adare - MVP

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
t-4-2 wrote:

> 'MowGreen [MVP Wrote: 
> 
>>;784206']HIDING the update does NOT mitigate the *vulnerability* that it
>>addresses.
>>Perhaps you need to read this:
>>
>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS07-042.mspx
>>
>>MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
>>===============
>>*-343-* FDNY
>>Never Forgotten
>>===============
>>
>>
>>
>>t-4-2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
> There is a misunderstanding . I suggested " Hide " option because the
> update had ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED several times. I was not suggesting
> NOT to install the update.
> 
> 

Yes, the misunderstanding is that msxml4.dll is *NOT* being updated 
properly. Therefore KB936181 is continually reoffered.

The issue is not in the detection of the update rather, it's the failure 
of KB936181 to install properly thus replacing msxml4.dll with the 
"secure" version, 4.20.9848.0 .

So in this situation, hiding the update is not advised. One needs to 
confirm that the update has installed *properly* by checking the Version 
number and not rely on the entry in ARP.


MG
date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:39:30 -0700   author:   MowGreen [MVP]

Re: Windows update keeps downloading same update   
Paul Adare - MVP wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:51:16 -0700, MowGreen [MVP] wrote:
> 
> 
>>In Vista you'll need to open an Elevated Command Prompt for the 
>>resolution to work.
>>command.com [cmd] is located in WINDOWS\system32 and can be found from 
>>Start Search by entering cmd
> 
> 
> Not command.com but cmd.exe.
> 

Grazi, Paul.


MG
date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:40:14 -0700   author:   MowGreen [MVP]

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