Vista network sharing problem (access and permissions)

Vista network sharing problem (access and permissions)

3 PCs are in a workgroup via a router:

PC1 = Desktop, running Vista Home Premium, connection = wired.
User A/C = JPR but no password.

PC2 = Laptop, running Vista Ultimate, connection = wireless.
User A/C = ASC with a password.

PC3 = Laptop, running Vista Home Premium, connection = wireless.
User A/C = JPR with a password.

They're on the same workgroup, have identical network setups (ie Discovery 
is on, File Sharing is on, Password setting is off) and IP numbers are all 
Static and correct.  They all access the internet fine, and whilst 
troubleshooting, all firewalls are disabled.

Problem: PC1 needs to be accessed by PC2 and PC3 so relevant folders and the 
E: drive on PC1 have been shared and full permissions allowed for Everyone.

While PC2 (with Vista Ultimate) accesses PC1 fine, PC3 (with Vista Home 
Premium) is prompted for a username and password ... which works fine, but 
I'm prompted again after rebooting PC3.  Grrr - not what I want :o(

Can someone please guide me on tweaking things so that PC3 doesn't need a 
password?

Thanks - I'm dispairing after playing for over a week now.

date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:13:01 -0700 author: Jannoth

Re: Vista network sharing problem (access and permissions)

Jannoth wrote:

> 3 PCs are in a workgroup via a router:
> 
> PC1 = Desktop, running Vista Home Premium, connection = wired.
> User A/C = JPR but no password.
> 
> PC2 = Laptop, running Vista Ultimate, connection = wireless.
> User A/C = ASC with a password.
> 
> PC3 = Laptop, running Vista Home Premium, connection = wireless.
> User A/C = JPR with a password.
> 
> They're on the same workgroup, have identical network setups (ie Discovery
> is on, File Sharing is on, Password setting is off) and IP numbers are all
> Static and correct.  They all access the internet fine, and whilst
> troubleshooting, all firewalls are disabled.
> 
> Problem: PC1 needs to be accessed by PC2 and PC3 so relevant folders and
> the E: drive on PC1 have been shared and full permissions allowed for
> Everyone.
> 
> While PC2 (with Vista Ultimate) accesses PC1 fine, PC3 (with Vista Home
> Premium) is prompted for a username and password ... which works fine, but
> I'm prompted again after rebooting PC3.  Grrr - not what I want :o(
> 
> Can someone please guide me on tweaking things so that PC3 doesn't need a
> password?

I'm sorry, but you should create matching user accounts which have matching
passwords on all accounts. You should not need to disable any firewalls;
they just need to be configured correctly. See below for details.

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused
by 1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful
firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the
built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having
identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying
to create shares where the operating system does not permit it.

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN)
traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer
Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on
XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this
will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a
third-party firewall or have an antivirus with "Internet Worm
Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a firewall, then you're
fine.  With third-party firewalls,  I usually configure the LAN allowance
with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you
would substitute your correct subnet. Do not run more than one firewall. DO
NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS; CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.

B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This
is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. Create matching user accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not
need to be logged into the same account on all machines and the passwords
assigned to each user account can be different; the accounts/passwords just
need to exist and match on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE
PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly
to the Desktop (into one particular user's account) for convenience, you
can do this. The instructions at this link work for both XP and Vista:

Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off
Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab).

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home
directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those
directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder. 

Malke
-- 
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:02:29 -0700 author: Malke lid

Re: Vista network sharing problem (access and permissions)

Hi Malke and thanks for the clear advice :o)

I only disabled the firewalls to see if they were causing the problems - the 
firewalls are up all the time otherwise.

I'll try your suggestions shortly, but it's weird that PC2 (laptop with 
Vista Ultimate) never requires a login even tho the user accounts differ, 
whereas but PC3 (laptop with Vista Home Premium) does need a login - even tho 
the same user account is on both PCs).

It sounds like I just need to add a password to PC1, when both laptops 
should access it without login prompts.

Keep you fingers cross, but I'll post an update either way.

Ta again :o)

"Malke" wrote:

> Jannoth wrote:
> 
> > 3 PCs are in a workgroup via a router:
> > 
> > PC1 = Desktop, running Vista Home Premium, connection = wired.
> > User A/C = JPR but no password.
> > 
> > PC2 = Laptop, running Vista Ultimate, connection = wireless.
> > User A/C = ASC with a password.
> > 
> > PC3 = Laptop, running Vista Home Premium, connection = wireless.
> > User A/C = JPR with a password.
> > 
> > They're on the same workgroup, have identical network setups (ie Discovery
> > is on, File Sharing is on, Password setting is off) and IP numbers are all
> > Static and correct.  They all access the internet fine, and whilst
> > troubleshooting, all firewalls are disabled.
> > 
> > Problem: PC1 needs to be accessed by PC2 and PC3 so relevant folders and
> > the E: drive on PC1 have been shared and full permissions allowed for
> > Everyone.
> > 
> > While PC2 (with Vista Ultimate) accesses PC1 fine, PC3 (with Vista Home
> > Premium) is prompted for a username and password ... which works fine, but
> > I'm prompted again after rebooting PC3.  Grrr - not what I want :o(
> > 
> > Can someone please guide me on tweaking things so that PC3 doesn't need a
> > password?
> 
> I'm sorry, but you should create matching user accounts which have matching
> passwords on all accounts. You should not need to disable any firewalls;
> they just need to be configured correctly. See below for details.
> 
> Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused
> by 1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful
> firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the
> built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having
> identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying
> to create shares where the operating system does not permit it.
> 
> A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN)
> traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer
> Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on
> XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this
> will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a
> third-party firewall or have an antivirus with "Internet Worm
> Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a firewall, then you're
> fine.  With third-party firewalls,  I usually configure the LAN allowance
> with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you
> would substitute your correct subnet. Do not run more than one firewall. DO
> NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS; CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.
> 
> B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This
> is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.
> 
> C. Create matching user accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not
> need to be logged into the same account on all machines and the passwords
> assigned to each user account can be different; the accounts/passwords just
> need to exist and match on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE
> PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly
> to the Desktop (into one particular user's account) for convenience, you
> can do this. The instructions at this link work for both XP and Vista:
> 
> Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm
> 
> D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off
> Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab).
> 
> E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home
> directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those
> directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder. 
> 
> Malke
> -- 
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
> 
>

date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:14:02 -0700 author: Jannoth

RE: Vista network sharing problem (access and permissions)

Yippee - it's solved and the LAN now works perfectly :o)

The solution (Dell phone support helped - even tho I had to pay): the user 
account on PC3 had to be different from PC1 to gain access.  As soon as a 
different user account was created (I created three to provei it) access was 
perfectly - exactly what I needed.

Matching user accounts with matching passwords (with or without enabled 
firewalls) did not work.  I now have a different user account and password on 
PC3 and firewalls are enabled - and it works fine.

I don't know why this is contrary to the general thinking - but thought I'd 
share the solution anyway as proper protocol wasn't helping so others might 
be in this boat!

Thanks a lot and hope this experience helps someone :o)

J

"Jannoth" wrote:

> 3 PCs are in a workgroup via a router:
> 
> PC1 = Desktop, running Vista Home Premium, connection = wired.
> User A/C = JPR but no password.
> 
> PC2 = Laptop, running Vista Ultimate, connection = wireless.
> User A/C = ASC with a password.
> 
> PC3 = Laptop, running Vista Home Premium, connection = wireless.
> User A/C = JPR with a password.
> 
> They're on the same workgroup, have identical network setups (ie Discovery 
> is on, File Sharing is on, Password setting is off) and IP numbers are all 
> Static and correct.  They all access the internet fine, and whilst 
> troubleshooting, all firewalls are disabled.
> 
> Problem: PC1 needs to be accessed by PC2 and PC3 so relevant folders and the 
> E: drive on PC1 have been shared and full permissions allowed for Everyone.
> 
> While PC2 (with Vista Ultimate) accesses PC1 fine, PC3 (with Vista Home 
> Premium) is prompted for a username and password ... which works fine, but 
> I'm prompted again after rebooting PC3.  Grrr - not what I want :o(
> 
> Can someone please guide me on tweaking things so that PC3 doesn't need a 
> password?
> 
> Thanks - I'm dispairing after playing for over a week now.

date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 02:03:06 -0700 author: Jannoth