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date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:22:53 +0100,    group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_video        back       


Pictures corrupt   
I found this on a MS board, but it's exactly what's happening to me.
Does anyone know what's happened ?

"When I copied pictures (using Windows Explorer) from my XP Desktop to my
Vista Laptop using an external hard drive about 10% of my files were
compressed horizontally (resulting in a narrow vertical band). This
appears in the thumbnail and when opened with Windows Photo Gallery.
There is no problem with opening these files with Windows Media Centre,
Microsoft Office Picture Manager, Paint, or Canon's Zoom Browser. 

Interestingly, when I open Windows Explorer these corrupted thumbnails
briefly appear correctly, then switch to the compressed version."

TIA
P.
Q6600 2.4, 4gb ddr2, 512mb Radeon X1300
date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:22:53 +0100   author:   2pods

Re: Pictures corrupt   
not a remedy as such or an explanation but have you tried Windows
_-Live-_ photo gallery a free download from MS.
it has all the same options as WPG plus more. Also I believe that
Microsoft has switched development to the live range of apps and aare
not working on the vista included apps any more. I have seen this
problem and i'm sure the live version didn't suffer


-- 
barman58

Regards, 
*Nigel* 
the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do not
understand.,- frank herbert
date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:04:50 -0500   author:   barman58

Re: Pictures corrupt   
"barman58"  wrote in message 
news:41b52cc9a87af0765537540cbc97112d@nntp-gateway.com...
>
> not a remedy as such or an explanation but have you tried Windows
> _-Live-_ photo gallery a free download from MS.
> it has all the same options as WPG plus more. Also I believe that
> Microsoft has switched development to the live range of apps and aare
> not working on the vista included apps any more. I have seen this
> problem and i'm sure the live version didn't suffer
>
>
> -- 
> barman58

It's actually OK in Photo Gallery, it's Explorer (not IE), that really 
bothers me, as this is what I and probably most other people will use for 
copying/moving files.

Has this bug showed up before, or is it and SP1 thing ?

p
date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:19:25 +0100   author:   2pods

Re: Pictures corrupt   
It may be an SP1 Thing - (un)fortunately :D I waited until SP1 came out
before I installed Vista.

You may want to try rebuilding the icon Cache see if that helps - Info
'Here'
(http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/117229-icon-cache-rebuild.html)

I solved the problem when I had it ( only on 3 out of several thousand
images) by simply editing and re-saving them


-- 
barman58

Regards, 
*Nigel* 
the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do not
understand.,- frank herbert
date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:43:13 -0500   author:   barman58

Re: Pictures corrupt   
"barman58"  wrote in message 
news:3e0df4e5b72c4cdd83194a44026e224f@nntp-gateway.com...
>
> It may be an SP1 Thing - (un)fortunately :D I waited until SP1 came out
> before I installed Vista.
>
> You may want to try rebuilding the icon Cache see if that helps - Info
> 'Here'
> (http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/117229-icon-cache-rebuild.html)
>
> I solved the problem when I had it ( only on 3 out of several thousand
> images) by simply editing and re-saving them
>

Thanks, I'll try it.
re SP1: that was the version when I bought it.

P
date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:57:07 +0100   author:   2pods

Re: Pictures corrupt   
You have indicated that the images display correctly in most of your 
viewers, but not in Photo Gallery and not as thumbnails.  In that case, it 
isn't an Explorer problem, but a Photo Gallery problem, or at least the 
renderer that Photo Gallery uses.  If these are JPG images then the problem 
is in Photo Gallery's interpretation of the JPG standard - there are many 
possible oddities in the way that the image data is stored in the JPG file, 
and while most viewers seem to be OK with most variations, Photo Gallery 
seems to be particularly fussy.  I have a number of JPG files which other 
viewers display without problems, but which Photo Gallery declares to be not 
image data and refuses to display at all.   In all cases, resaving the file 
using any viewer that displays the image correctly fixes the problem.
-- 
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"2pods"  wrote in message 
news:6ja851F28sntU1@mid.individual.net...
> "barman58"  wrote in message 
> news:41b52cc9a87af0765537540cbc97112d@nntp-gateway.com...
>>
>> not a remedy as such or an explanation but have you tried Windows
>> _-Live-_ photo gallery a free download from MS.
>> it has all the same options as WPG plus more. Also I believe that
>> Microsoft has switched development to the live range of apps and aare
>> not working on the vista included apps any more. I have seen this
>> problem and i'm sure the live version didn't suffer
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> barman58
>
> It's actually OK in Photo Gallery, it's Explorer (not IE), that really 
> bothers me, as this is what I and probably most other people will use for 
> copying/moving files.
>
> Has this bug showed up before, or is it and SP1 thing ?
>
> p
date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:10:33 +1000   author:   Jeff Richards

Re: Pictures corrupt   
"Jeff Richards"  wrote in message 
news:O0UvKkEGJHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You have indicated that the images display correctly in most of your 
> viewers, but not in Photo Gallery and not as thumbnails.  In that case, it 
> isn't an Explorer problem, but a Photo Gallery problem, or at least the 
> renderer that Photo Gallery uses.  If these are JPG images then the 
> problem is in Photo Gallery's interpretation of the JPG standard - there 
> are many possible oddities in the way that the image data is stored in the 
> JPG file, and while most viewers seem to be OK with most variations, Photo 
> Gallery seems to be particularly fussy.  I have a number of JPG files 
> which other viewers display without problems, but which Photo Gallery 
> declares to be not image data and refuses to display at all.   In all 
> cases, resaving the file using any viewer that displays the image 
> correctly fixes the problem.
> -- 
> Jeff Richards

>>
>> It's actually OK in Photo Gallery, it's Explorer (not IE), that really 
>> bothers me, as this is what I and probably most other people will use for 
>> copying/moving files.
>>
>> Has this bug showed up before, or is it and SP1 thing ?
>>
>> p
>

I had it the wrong way round, then corrected it.
i.e. the images are OK in photo gallery, but NOT in explorer.

p
date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:15:28 +0100   author:   2pods

Re: Pictures corrupt   
So it appears that the problem only occurs when the images are displayed as 
Thumbnails in an Explorer window. This means that the resizing of the image 
is being performed incorrectly. Does it occur for all thumbnail sizes? Does 
it occur if you customize the folder and choose the image file to show on 
the folder icon?  You may be able to check where the problem is by opening 
the image in one of your viewers and zooming out to about the size of the 
thumbnail (or, in Photo Gallery, shrinking the window as much as possible) - 
does the problem appear?  Resaving the file from any viewer that displays 
the image correctly should fix the problem.
-- 
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"2pods"  wrote in message 
news:6jc7g5F2h8bpU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Jeff Richards"  wrote in message 
> news:O0UvKkEGJHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> You have indicated that the images display correctly in most of your 
>> viewers, but not in Photo Gallery and not as thumbnails.  In that case, 
>> it isn't an Explorer problem, but a Photo Gallery problem, or at least 
>> the renderer that Photo Gallery uses.  If these are JPG images then the 
>> problem is in Photo Gallery's interpretation of the JPG standard - there 
>> are many possible oddities in the way that the image data is stored in 
>> the JPG file, and while most viewers seem to be OK with most variations, 
>> Photo Gallery seems to be particularly fussy.  I have a number of JPG 
>> files which other viewers display without problems, but which Photo 
>> Gallery declares to be not image data and refuses to display at all.   In 
>> all cases, resaving the file using any viewer that displays the image 
>> correctly fixes the problem.
>> -- 
>> Jeff Richards
>
>>>
>>> It's actually OK in Photo Gallery, it's Explorer (not IE), that really 
>>> bothers me, as this is what I and probably most other people will use 
>>> for copying/moving files.
>>>
date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:58:07 +1000   author:   Jeff Richards

Re: Pictures corrupt   
"Jeff Richards"  wrote in message 
news:uH6WgmdGJHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> So it appears that the problem only occurs when the images are displayed 
> as Thumbnails in an Explorer window. This means that the resizing of the 
> image is being performed incorrectly. Does it occur for all thumbnail 
> sizes? Does it occur if you customize the folder and choose the image file 
> to show on the folder icon?  You may be able to check where the problem is 
> by opening the image in one of your viewers and zooming out to about the 
> size of the thumbnail (or, in Photo Gallery, shrinking the window as much 
> as possible) - does the problem appear?  Resaving the file from any viewer 
> that displays the image correctly should fix the problem.
> -- 

No, maybe I didn't explain properly.
When I open the folder I see "normal" thumbnails, that rapidly change to 
look as if someone had pushed both sides in towards each other until all I 
can see is a thin vertical line.
If the thumbnail is double clicked it doesn't display correctly.
It's just a full sized version of the thumbnail
date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:29:21 +0100   author:   2pods

Re: Pictures corrupt   
Just for info.

When I had this problem on a few files it turned out that the thumbnail
was correctly displaying the JPG file but the file itself was corrupted.

when I looked into the file itself the corruption was actually in the
pixel size ratio with the vertical to horizontal ratio being set to
about 11000:1 not 1:1 thus having the effect of compressing the
resultant image horizontally. when I reset this ratio to the correct 1:1
all the data was there and the image displayed correctly. Saving the
file solved the problem. certain other graphics displayed correctly
anyway and the simple act of loading and saving the image would cure the
problem. of course this did derade the image due to the jpeg compression
algorithm. 

This appears to be a problem by the act of copying from XP to Vista.
I would like to hear any comments from someone with better knowledge of
the differences between XP and Vista's handling of JPG images within
Explorer. It was a minor irritation to myself as the involved files were
only a very small number. but I can see where 10% of a thousands of
images would cause annoyance.


-- 
barman58

Regards, 
*Nigel* 
the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do not
understand.,- frank herbert
date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:08:02 -0500   author:   barman58

Re: Pictures corrupt   
"barman58"  wrote in message 
news:60c6b2744ea3cf6237aa98921bd2ff0c@nntp-gateway.com...
>
> Just for info.
>
> When I had this problem on a few files it turned out that the thumbnail
> was correctly displaying the JPG file but the file itself was corrupted.
>
> when I looked into the file itself the corruption was actually in the
> pixel size ratio with the vertical to horizontal ratio being set to
> about 11000:1 not 1:1 thus having the effect of compressing the
> resultant image horizontally. when I reset this ratio to the correct 1:1
> all the data was there and the image displayed correctly. Saving the
> file solved the problem. certain other graphics displayed correctly
> anyway and the simple act of loading and saving the image would cure the
> problem. of course this did derade the image due to the jpeg compression
> algorithm.
>
> This appears to be a problem by the act of copying from XP to Vista.
> I would like to hear any comments from someone with better knowledge of
> the differences between XP and Vista's handling of JPG images within
> Explorer. It was a minor irritation to myself as the involved files were
> only a very small number. but I can see where 10% of a thousands of
> images would cause annoyance.
>

I've tried opening one and saving it, but am having no luck.
Where would I find the pixel ratio, is it in file properties from a right 
click ?

Thanks for helping

Peter
date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:03:01 +0100   author:   2pods

Re: Pictures corrupt   
Hi Peter,
the pixel aspect ratio is the terminology used by Adobe in Photoshop
CS2.

The actual way I found easiest to correct the error was to use
'IrfanView' (http://www.irfanview.com/) the freeware image viewer

if you load one of the corrupt files and press "I" to show file
information you should see an entry called resolution, (a different
terminology for the same thing - pixel aspect ratio) - with a normal
file the two values here will be the same. 

in the corrupt files I found that these were wildly different, change
them to something like 100 x 100 (check your OK images for the correct
figure )

as an experiment I manually corrupted a file to have a 1000:1 ratio and
the result is shown in the attached image

[image:
http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6671&d=1221843704]

obviously with the 11000:1 error you will not see anything but a
vertical line for the image thumbnail but the 1000:1 shows a
representation of the problem

Hope this helps explain my thinking - Also as IrfanView has batch edit
facilities it may prove a useful tool when large numbers of images are
involved


+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Filename: Images.PNG                                               |
|Download: http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6671 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+

-- 
barman58

Regards, 
*Nigel* 
the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do not
understand.,- frank herbert
date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:08:01 -0500   author:   barman58

Re: Pictures corrupt   
"barman58"  wrote in message 
news:c45818a89ebfc6f9ed080c6f44144c77@nntp-gateway.com...
>
> Hi Peter,
> the pixel aspect ratio is the terminology used by Adobe in Photoshop
> CS2.
>
> The actual way I found easiest to correct the error was to use
> 'IrfanView' (http://www.irfanview.com/) the freeware image viewer
>
> if you load one of the corrupt files and press "I" to show file
> information you should see an entry called resolution, (a different
> terminology for the same thing - pixel aspect ratio) - with a normal
> file the two values here will be the same.
>
> in the corrupt files I found that these were wildly different, change
> them to something like 100 x 100 (check your OK images for the correct
> figure )
>
> as an experiment I manually corrupted a file to have a 1000:1 ratio and
> the result is shown in the attached image
>
> [image:
> http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6671&d=1221843704]
>
> obviously with the 11000:1 error you will not see anything but a
> vertical line for the image thumbnail but the 1000:1 shows a
> representation of the problem
>
> Hope this helps explain my thinking - Also as IrfanView has batch edit
> facilities it may prove a useful tool when large numbers of images are
> involved
>
>
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> |Filename: Images.PNG                                               |
> |Download: http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6671 |
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
Yes, that looks like it except more so.
I'll give it a try and get back to you.
Thanks for helping :-)

Peter
date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:40:56 +0100   author:   2pods

Re: Pictures corrupt   
Irfanview is by far the best viewer to be using, both for its ability to 
deal properly with files that have this sort of invalid data, and for seeing 
what that data is.
-- 
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"2pods"  wrote in message 
news:6jidigF3e00gU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "barman58"  wrote in message 
> news:c45818a89ebfc6f9ed080c6f44144c77@nntp-gateway.com...
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>> the pixel aspect ratio is the terminology used by Adobe in Photoshop
>> CS2.
>>
>> The actual way I found easiest to correct the error was to use
>> 'IrfanView' (http://www.irfanview.com/) the freeware image viewer
>>
>> if you load one of the corrupt files and press "I" to show file
>> information you should see an entry called resolution, (a different
>> terminology for the same thing - pixel aspect ratio) - with a normal
>> file the two values here will be the same.
>>
>> in the corrupt files I found that these were wildly different, change
>> them to something like 100 x 100 (check your OK images for the correct
>> figure )
>>
>> as an experiment I manually corrupted a file to have a 1000:1 ratio and
>> the result is shown in the attached image
>>
>> [image:
>> http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6671&d=1221843704]
>>
>> obviously with the 11000:1 error you will not see anything but a
>> vertical line for the image thumbnail but the 1000:1 shows a
>> representation of the problem
>>
>> Hope this helps explain my thinking - Also as IrfanView has batch edit
>> facilities it may prove a useful tool when large numbers of images are
>> involved
>>
>>
>> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
>> |Filename: Images.PNG                                               |
>> |Download: http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6671 |
>> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
>>
> Yes, that looks like it except more so.
> I'll give it a try and get back to you.
> Thanks for helping :-)
>
> Peter
date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:38:03 +1000   author:   Jeff Richards

RE: Pictures corrupt   
I had same problem with some of the images in 1 sub-folder when copying 
photos from laptop with XP to desktop with Vista. I checked and found they 
were all photos which had been rotated from landscape to portrait on laptop. 
I rotated them back to  landscape in original XP programme and copied them 
successfully - they are now visible in Photo Gallery (hope it stays that 
way!) where I then rotated to portrait.

"2pods" wrote:

> I found this on a MS board, but it's exactly what's happening to me.
> Does anyone know what's happened ?
> 
> "When I copied pictures (using Windows Explorer) from my XP Desktop to my
> Vista Laptop using an external hard drive about 10% of my files were
> compressed horizontally (resulting in a narrow vertical band). This
> appears in the thumbnail and when opened with Windows Photo Gallery.
> There is no problem with opening these files with Windows Media Centre,
> Microsoft Office Picture Manager, Paint, or Canon's Zoom Browser. 
> 
> Interestingly, when I open Windows Explorer these corrupted thumbnails
> briefly appear correctly, then switch to the compressed version."
> 
> TIA
> P.
> Q6600 2.4, 4gb ddr2, 512mb Radeon X1300
> 
>
date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:30:04 -0800   author:   david1a

Re: Pictures corrupt   
"david1a"  wrote in message 
news:85352943-C526-4D8B-9C64-CA170E7477D7@microsoft.com...
>I had same problem with some of the images in 1 sub-folder when copying
> photos from laptop with XP to desktop with Vista. I checked and found they
> were all photos which had been rotated from landscape to portrait on 
> laptop.
> I rotated them back to  landscape in original XP programme and copied them
> successfully - they are now visible in Photo Gallery (hope it stays that
> way!) where I then rotated to portrait.
>
> "2pods" wrote:
>
>> I found this on a MS board, but it's exactly what's happening to me.
>> Does anyone know what's happened ?
>>
>> "When I copied pictures (using Windows Explorer) from my XP Desktop to my
>> Vista Laptop using an external hard drive about 10% of my files were
>> compressed horizontally (resulting in a narrow vertical band). This
>> appears in the thumbnail and when opened with Windows Photo Gallery.
>> There is no problem with opening these files with Windows Media Centre,
>> Microsoft Office Picture Manager, Paint, or Canon's Zoom Browser.
>>
>> Interestingly, when I open Windows Explorer these corrupted thumbnails
>> briefly appear correctly, then switch to the compressed version."
>>
>> TIA
>> P.
>> Q6600 2.4, 4gb ddr2, 512mb Radeon X1300
>>
>

Thanks, I'll give it a try
date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:12:01 -0000   author:   2pods

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