We are running XP Pro (sp2) (Upgrading to Vista Ultimate)

My son, preparing for College, was able to purchase Vista Ultimate upgrade
for 20 bucks.  Can't beat that.  However, when trying to upgrade to Vista,
we get a disk read error.  This happens during the first reboot...after
vista has copied the files to the harddrive.  So at that point, the system
is screwed and can no longer boot.

Fortunately, we have some intelligence dealing with computers.  We have an
image of XP Pro saved on another partition.  We did a restore and tried a
second time (getting the same error).   I read somewhere that the cluster
size of NTFS has to be 4.  Thought that was our solution but when I booted
with Acronis Disk Director, it says that we are already at a cluster size 4.
So that is not our issue.

What else would cause this issue?  The drive has no errors on it.
I'm wondering if it has anything to do with Vista's NTFS vs the current XP's
version of NTFS?  No where does it say that its converting the files to the
new NTFS.

After giving up on this, we decided to do the second option which is a clean
install of Vista Ultimate (which apparently is on the same DVD).  We got the
same disk error.   The disk has several partitions.  I don't think that is
an issue.

I was one of the beta testers for Vista .. long before it came out.  I
warned my son that there's no reason to change his Operating System but he
still wants to do it.

Any suggestions?
Thanks

Are you trying to install a 32 bit or 64 bit Ultimate upgrade?
"JCO"  wrote in message 
news:OrXGeNq7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> We are running XP Pro (sp2) (Upgrading to Vista Ultimate)
>
> My son, preparing for College, was able to purchase Vista Ultimate upgrade
> for 20 bucks.  Can't beat that.  However, when trying to upgrade to Vista,
> we get a disk read error.  This happens during the first reboot...after
> vista has copied the files to the harddrive.  So at that point, the system
> is screwed and can no longer boot.
>
> Fortunately, we have some intelligence dealing with computers.  We have an
> image of XP Pro saved on another partition.  We did a restore and tried a
> second time (getting the same error).   I read somewhere that the cluster
> size of NTFS has to be 4.  Thought that was our solution but when I booted
> with Acronis Disk Director, it says that we are already at a cluster size 
> 4.
> So that is not our issue.
>
> What else would cause this issue?  The drive has no errors on it.
> I'm wondering if it has anything to do with Vista's NTFS vs the current 
> XP's
> version of NTFS?  No where does it say that its converting the files to 
> the
> new NTFS.
>
> After giving up on this, we decided to do the second option which is a 
> clean
> install of Vista Ultimate (which apparently is on the same DVD).  We got 
> the
> same disk error.   The disk has several partitions.  I don't think that is
> an issue.
>
> I was one of the beta testers for Vista .. long before it came out.  I
> warned my son that there's no reason to change his Operating System but he
> still wants to do it.
>
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

JCO wrote:

(snip multipost)

Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other newsgroup
to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting

If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use Google
Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.

Malke
-- 
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

32 Bit Vista Ultimate.  Sorry I didn't mention that before.
Thanks

"Curious"  wrote in message 
news:#25mmPq7IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Are you trying to install a 32 bit or 64 bit Ultimate upgrade?
> "JCO"  wrote in message 
> news:OrXGeNq7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> We are running XP Pro (sp2) (Upgrading to Vista Ultimate)
>>
>> My son, preparing for College, was able to purchase Vista Ultimate 
>> upgrade
>> for 20 bucks.  Can't beat that.  However, when trying to upgrade to 
>> Vista,
>> we get a disk read error.  This happens during the first reboot...after
>> vista has copied the files to the harddrive.  So at that point, the 
>> system
>> is screwed and can no longer boot.
>>
>> Fortunately, we have some intelligence dealing with computers.  We have 
>> an
>> image of XP Pro saved on another partition.  We did a restore and tried a
>> second time (getting the same error).   I read somewhere that the cluster
>> size of NTFS has to be 4.  Thought that was our solution but when I 
>> booted
>> with Acronis Disk Director, it says that we are already at a cluster size 
>> 4.
>> So that is not our issue.
>>
>> What else would cause this issue?  The drive has no errors on it.
>> I'm wondering if it has anything to do with Vista's NTFS vs the current 
>> XP's
>> version of NTFS?  No where does it say that its converting the files to 
>> the
>> new NTFS.
>>
>> After giving up on this, we decided to do the second option which is a 
>> clean
>> install of Vista Ultimate (which apparently is on the same DVD).  We got 
>> the
>> same disk error.   The disk has several partitions.  I don't think that 
>> is
>> an issue.
>>
>> I was one of the beta testers for Vista .. long before it came out.  I
>> warned my son that there's no reason to change his Operating System but 
>> he
>> still wants to do it.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on that NG 
that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer was not take 
serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.

I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download the Mfg 
software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is nothing wrong 
with it.  I don't understand what your talking about when you said I've 
tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not what I said.  I said we've 
tried the upgrade twice and then tried a clean install.  On each of the same 
failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from a stored Image.

All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer ourselves 
with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro flawlessly sense 
then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with SATA method of 
communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a stretch.  I have not 
checked the BIOS for any clues either.

"Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> JCO wrote:
>
> (snip multipost)
>
> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other newsgroup
> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>
> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use Google
> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>
> Malke
> -- 
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:36:07 -0500, "JCO" 
wrote:

>I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on that NG 
>that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer was not take 
>serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.

The morons and idiots are here too.  They are in every Vista group,
but they tend to hang in vista.general more than the others.

>
>I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download the Mfg 
>software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is nothing wrong 
>with it.  I don't understand what your talking about when you said I've 
>tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not what I said.  I said we've 
>tried the upgrade twice and then tried a clean install.  On each of the same 
>failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from a stored Image.
>
>All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer ourselves 
>with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro flawlessly sense 
>then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with SATA method of 
>communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a stretch.  I have not 
>checked the BIOS for any clues either.
>
>"Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> JCO wrote:
>>
>> (snip multipost)
>>
>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other newsgroup
>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>
>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use Google
>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>
>> Malke
>> -- 
>> MS-MVP
>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>

The only moron and idiot from vista.general in here is that noony!
He travels through all of them, unfortunately.

Reading your post, that vista DVD plays on my mind.
Where is the Product Key?
Did they give you one?
If they did, borrow a vista DVD, and see if the Product Key will work on that.
Full vista DVDs contain ALL Versions.

You do know that to do an upgrade, you do it from within a running windows 
installation?
-- 
Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


"JCO" wrote:

> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on that NG 
> that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer was not take 
> serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
> 
> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download the Mfg 
> software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is nothing wrong 
> with it.  I don't understand what your talking about when you said I've 
> tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not what I said.  I said we've 
> tried the upgrade twice and then tried a clean install.  On each of the same 
> failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from a stored Image.
> 
> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer ourselves 
> with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro flawlessly sense 
> then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with SATA method of 
> communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a stretch.  I have not 
> checked the BIOS for any clues either.
> 
> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > JCO wrote:
> >
> > (snip multipost)
> >
> > Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other newsgroup
> > to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
> > everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
> > http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
> >
> > If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use Google
> > Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
> >
> > Malke
> > -- 
> > MS-MVP
> > Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> > FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
> > 
>

The harddrive is a:
Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.

"JCO"  wrote in message 
news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on that 
> NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer was not take 
> serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>
> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download the 
> Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is nothing 
> wrong with it.  I don't understand what your talking about when you said 
> I've tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not what I said.  I said 
> we've tried the upgrade twice and then tried a clean install.  On each of 
> the same failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from a stored 
> Image.
>
> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro 
> flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with SATA 
> method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a stretch. 
> I have not checked the BIOS for any clues either.
>
> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> JCO wrote:
>>
>> (snip multipost)
>>
>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>> newsgroup
>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>
>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use 
>> Google
>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>
>> Malke
>> -- 
>> MS-MVP
>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>

If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on connected to 
SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
"JCO"  wrote in message 
news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> The harddrive is a:
> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>
> "JCO"  wrote in message 
> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on that 
>> NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer was not take 
>> serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>>
>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download the 
>> Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is nothing 
>> wrong with it.  I don't understand what your talking about when you said 
>> I've tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not what I said.  I 
>> said we've tried the upgrade twice and then tried a clean install.  On 
>> each of the same failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from a 
>> stored Image.
>>
>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
>> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro 
>> flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with SATA 
>> method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a stretch. 
>> I have not checked the BIOS for any clues either.
>>
>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> JCO wrote:
>>>
>>> (snip multipost)
>>>
>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>>> newsgroup
>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>
>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use 
>>> Google
>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>
>>> Malke
>>> -- 
>>> MS-MVP
>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>

Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but I believe 
it is controller # 0 (zero).
Why is this an issue?
Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.

All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect working order.
Don't know what else to do.
Thanks

"Curious"  wrote in message 
news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on connected to 
> SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
> "JCO"  wrote in message 
> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> The harddrive is a:
>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>
>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on 
>>> that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer was 
>>> not take serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>>>
>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download the 
>>> Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is nothing 
>>> wrong with it.  I don't understand what your talking about when you said 
>>> I've tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not what I said.  I 
>>> said we've tried the upgrade twice and then tried a clean install.  On 
>>> each of the same failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from 
>>> a stored Image.
>>>
>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
>>> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro 
>>> flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with SATA 
>>> method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a stretch. 
>>> I have not checked the BIOS for any clues either.
>>>
>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>
>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>>>> newsgroup
>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>
>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use 
>>>> Google
>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>
>>>> Malke
>>>> -- 
>>>> MS-MVP
>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>
>

Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista installation 
if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
"JCO"  wrote in message 
news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but I 
> believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
> Why is this an issue?
> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>
> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect working order.
> Don't know what else to do.
> Thanks
>
> "Curious"  wrote in message 
> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
>> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on connected to 
>> SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> The harddrive is a:
>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>
>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on 
>>>> that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer was 
>>>> not take serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>>>>
>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download 
>>>> the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is 
>>>> nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what your talking about when 
>>>> you said I've tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not what I 
>>>> said.  I said we've tried the upgrade twice and then tried a clean 
>>>> install.  On each of the same failure, we was able to restore to 
>>>> Windows XP Pro from a stored Image.
>>>>
>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
>>>> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro 
>>>> flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with SATA 
>>>> method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a 
>>>> stretch. I have not checked the BIOS for any clues either.
>>>>
>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>
>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use 
>>>>> Google
>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Malke
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>
>>

We have it connected to the very first controller.  The enumeration of SATA 
controllers begins at one that is what it is set to (unlike IDE drives ... 
enumeration is zero based).  So I don't see that being an issue.

I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's own NTFS, 
I assume  the installation has to do a conversion.  There is no evidence 
that this is happening (or not happening).  If its an update, it would have 
to convert to the new NTFS first so that it does not destroy the existing 
data and Registry items.  If your doing a clean install, you would expect it 
to let you know that it is doing a format (to the new NTFS).  Like I said, 
there is no evidence either way of this action.  We've tried the update 
twice and a clean install once so far with the same error.  Once all the 
files are copied from the DVD to the harddrive and the computer reboots for 
the first time, it has a Disk Error Reading the Disk.

Thanks so far for you help.

"Curious"  wrote in message 
news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
> The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
> "JCO"  wrote in message 
> news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but I 
>> believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
>> Why is this an issue?
>> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>>
>> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect working 
>> order.
>> Don't know what else to do.
>> Thanks
>>
>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
>>> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on connected to 
>>> SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> The harddrive is a:
>>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>>
>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on 
>>>>> that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer was 
>>>>> not take serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download 
>>>>> the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is 
>>>>> nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what your talking about 
>>>>> when you said I've tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not 
>>>>> what I said.  I said we've tried the upgrade twice and then tried a 
>>>>> clean install.  On each of the same failure, we was able to restore to 
>>>>> Windows XP Pro from a stored Image.
>>>>>
>>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
>>>>> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro 
>>>>> flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with SATA 
>>>>> method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a 
>>>>> stretch. I have not checked the BIOS for any clues either.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
>>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use 
>>>>>> Google
>>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Malke
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>>
>>>
>

Since the installation appears to be not trying to read from the primary 
drive you are installing it on I made the suggestion I did.
I never said anything about the first controller I only mentioned the first 
SATA port if the SATA ports are numbered on your MOBO.
Is your BIOS set for the OS to boot from the primary drive you are trying to 
install on if your optical drive is empty?
I was not aware that there is more that there is more then one version of 
definition of the NTFS format do you have link that describes that there are 
different NTFS formats.
"JCO"  wrote in message 
news:%23JB$yhP8IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> We have it connected to the very first controller.  The enumeration of 
> SATA controllers begins at one that is what it is set to (unlike IDE 
> drives ... enumeration is zero based).  So I don't see that being an 
> issue.
>
> I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's own 
> NTFS, I assume  the installation has to do a conversion.  There is no 
> evidence that this is happening (or not happening).  If its an update, it 
> would have to convert to the new NTFS first so that it does not destroy 
> the existing data and Registry items.  If your doing a clean install, you 
> would expect it to let you know that it is doing a format (to the new 
> NTFS).  Like I said, there is no evidence either way of this action. 
> We've tried the update twice and a clean install once so far with the same 
> error.  Once all the files are copied from the DVD to the harddrive and 
> the computer reboots for the first time, it has a Disk Error Reading the 
> Disk.
>
> Thanks so far for you help.
>
> "Curious"  wrote in message 
> news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
>> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
>> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
>> The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>> news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but I 
>>> believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
>>> Why is this an issue?
>>> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>>>
>>> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect working 
>>> order.
>>> Don't know what else to do.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>>>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
>>>> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on connected 
>>>> to SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> The harddrive is a:
>>>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>>>
>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on 
>>>>>> that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer was 
>>>>>> not take serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download 
>>>>>> the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is 
>>>>>> nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what your talking about 
>>>>>> when you said I've tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not 
>>>>>> what I said.  I said we've tried the upgrade twice and then tried a 
>>>>>> clean install.  On each of the same failure, we was able to restore 
>>>>>> to Windows XP Pro from a stored Image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
>>>>>> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro 
>>>>>> flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with 
>>>>>> SATA method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a 
>>>>>> stretch. I have not checked the BIOS for any clues either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
>>>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use 
>>>>>>> Google
>>>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Malke
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

My boot order is currently set to look at the DVD first, then the HD.  Since 
the upgrade does not require to boot from the CD, maybe I can change the 
system to only look at the HD when it boots.

As far as the NTFS being different.... Google "Transaction NTFS"

"Curious"  wrote in message 
news:91C8BD35-24C1-4CBE-B2CF-05852D3BBC74@microsoft.com...
> Since the installation appears to be not trying to read from the primary 
> drive you are installing it on I made the suggestion I did.
> I never said anything about the first controller I only mentioned the 
> first SATA port if the SATA ports are numbered on your MOBO.
> Is your BIOS set for the OS to boot from the primary drive you are trying 
> to install on if your optical drive is empty?
> I was not aware that there is more that there is more then one version of 
> definition of the NTFS format do you have link that describes that there 
> are different NTFS formats.
> "JCO"  wrote in message 
> news:%23JB$yhP8IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> We have it connected to the very first controller.  The enumeration of 
>> SATA controllers begins at one that is what it is set to (unlike IDE 
>> drives ... enumeration is zero based).  So I don't see that being an 
>> issue.
>>
>> I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's own 
>> NTFS, I assume  the installation has to do a conversion.  There is no 
>> evidence that this is happening (or not happening).  If its an update, it 
>> would have to convert to the new NTFS first so that it does not destroy 
>> the existing data and Registry items.  If your doing a clean install, you 
>> would expect it to let you know that it is doing a format (to the new 
>> NTFS).  Like I said, there is no evidence either way of this action. 
>> We've tried the update twice and a clean install once so far with the 
>> same error.  Once all the files are copied from the DVD to the harddrive 
>> and the computer reboots for the first time, it has a Disk Error Reading 
>> the Disk.
>>
>> Thanks so far for you help.
>>
>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>> news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
>>> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
>>> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
>>> The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>> news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but I 
>>>> believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
>>>> Why is this an issue?
>>>> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>>>>
>>>> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect working 
>>>> order.
>>>> Don't know what else to do.
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>>>>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
>>>>> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on connected 
>>>>> to SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> The harddrive is a:
>>>>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>>>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated on 
>>>>>>> that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by zuoer 
>>>>>>> was not take serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will download 
>>>>>>> the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure there is 
>>>>>>> nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what your talking about 
>>>>>>> when you said I've tried 3-different operating systems.  That's not 
>>>>>>> what I said.  I said we've tried the upgrade twice and then tried a 
>>>>>>> clean install.  On each of the same failure, we was able to restore 
>>>>>>> to Windows XP Pro from a stored Image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
>>>>>>> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP Pro 
>>>>>>> flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do with 
>>>>>>> SATA method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but that's a 
>>>>>>> stretch. I have not checked the BIOS for any clues either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work for
>>>>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, use 
>>>>>>>> Google
>>>>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Malke
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

Sounds like it is set correctly since it is set to boot from the partition 
where you are installing.
Do you have another OS installed on any other HDDs or HDD partitions on your 
system?
"JCO"  wrote in message 
news:%23JsKZ3f8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> My boot order is currently set to look at the DVD first, then the HD. 
> Since the upgrade does not require to boot from the CD, maybe I can change 
> the system to only look at the HD when it boots.
>
> As far as the NTFS being different.... Google "Transaction NTFS"
>
> "Curious"  wrote in message 
> news:91C8BD35-24C1-4CBE-B2CF-05852D3BBC74@microsoft.com...
>> Since the installation appears to be not trying to read from the primary 
>> drive you are installing it on I made the suggestion I did.
>> I never said anything about the first controller I only mentioned the 
>> first SATA port if the SATA ports are numbered on your MOBO.
>> Is your BIOS set for the OS to boot from the primary drive you are trying 
>> to install on if your optical drive is empty?
>> I was not aware that there is more that there is more then one version of 
>> definition of the NTFS format do you have link that describes that there 
>> are different NTFS formats.
>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>> news:%23JB$yhP8IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> We have it connected to the very first controller.  The enumeration of 
>>> SATA controllers begins at one that is what it is set to (unlike IDE 
>>> drives ... enumeration is zero based).  So I don't see that being an 
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's own 
>>> NTFS, I assume  the installation has to do a conversion.  There is no 
>>> evidence that this is happening (or not happening).  If its an update, 
>>> it would have to convert to the new NTFS first so that it does not 
>>> destroy the existing data and Registry items.  If your doing a clean 
>>> install, you would expect it to let you know that it is doing a format 
>>> (to the new NTFS).  Like I said, there is no evidence either way of this 
>>> action. We've tried the update twice and a clean install once so far 
>>> with the same error.  Once all the files are copied from the DVD to the 
>>> harddrive and the computer reboots for the first time, it has a Disk 
>>> Error Reading the Disk.
>>>
>>> Thanks so far for you help.
>>>
>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>> news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
>>>> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
>>>> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
>>>> The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but I 
>>>>> believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
>>>>> Why is this an issue?
>>>>> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>>>>>
>>>>> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect working 
>>>>> order.
>>>>> Don't know what else to do.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
>>>>>> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on connected 
>>>>>> to SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> The harddrive is a:
>>>>>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>>>>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated 
>>>>>>>> on that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by 
>>>>>>>> zuoer was not take serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will 
>>>>>>>> download the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm sure 
>>>>>>>> there is nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what your 
>>>>>>>> talking about when you said I've tried 3-different operating 
>>>>>>>> systems.  That's not what I said.  I said we've tried the upgrade 
>>>>>>>> twice and then tried a clean install.  On each of the same failure, 
>>>>>>>> we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from a stored Image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
>>>>>>>> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP 
>>>>>>>> Pro flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do 
>>>>>>>> with SATA method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but 
>>>>>>>> that's a stretch. I have not checked the BIOS for any clues either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>>>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work 
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for why:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, 
>>>>>>>>> use Google
>>>>>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Malke
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

No.  The C-Drive currently has XP Pro ... that's it.  No other partition has 
an OS loaded on it.
Remember...we've tried a full install also (as oppose to an upgrade).  That 
has the same error.

"Curious"  wrote in message 
news:43907DFD-FEDA-4FF5-AED3-F1A47096D1FE@microsoft.com...
> Sounds like it is set correctly since it is set to boot from the partition 
> where you are installing.
> Do you have another OS installed on any other HDDs or HDD partitions on 
> your system?
> "JCO"  wrote in message 
> news:%23JsKZ3f8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> My boot order is currently set to look at the DVD first, then the HD. 
>> Since the upgrade does not require to boot from the CD, maybe I can 
>> change the system to only look at the HD when it boots.
>>
>> As far as the NTFS being different.... Google "Transaction NTFS"
>>
>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>> news:91C8BD35-24C1-4CBE-B2CF-05852D3BBC74@microsoft.com...
>>> Since the installation appears to be not trying to read from the primary 
>>> drive you are installing it on I made the suggestion I did.
>>> I never said anything about the first controller I only mentioned the 
>>> first SATA port if the SATA ports are numbered on your MOBO.
>>> Is your BIOS set for the OS to boot from the primary drive you are 
>>> trying to install on if your optical drive is empty?
>>> I was not aware that there is more that there is more then one version 
>>> of definition of the NTFS format do you have link that describes that 
>>> there are different NTFS formats.
>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>> news:%23JB$yhP8IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> We have it connected to the very first controller.  The enumeration of 
>>>> SATA controllers begins at one that is what it is set to (unlike IDE 
>>>> drives ... enumeration is zero based).  So I don't see that being an 
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>> I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's own 
>>>> NTFS, I assume  the installation has to do a conversion.  There is no 
>>>> evidence that this is happening (or not happening).  If its an update, 
>>>> it would have to convert to the new NTFS first so that it does not 
>>>> destroy the existing data and Registry items.  If your doing a clean 
>>>> install, you would expect it to let you know that it is doing a format 
>>>> (to the new NTFS).  Like I said, there is no evidence either way of 
>>>> this action. We've tried the update twice and a clean install once so 
>>>> far with the same error.  Once all the files are copied from the DVD to 
>>>> the harddrive and the computer reboots for the first time, it has a 
>>>> Disk Error Reading the Disk.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks so far for you help.
>>>>
>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
>>>>> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
>>>>> The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but I 
>>>>>> believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
>>>>>> Why is this an issue?
>>>>>> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect working 
>>>>>> order.
>>>>>> Don't know what else to do.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
>>>>>>> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on 
>>>>>>> connected to SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> The harddrive is a:
>>>>>>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>>>>>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated 
>>>>>>>>> on that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by 
>>>>>>>>> zuoer was not take serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will 
>>>>>>>>> download the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm 
>>>>>>>>> sure there is nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what your 
>>>>>>>>> talking about when you said I've tried 3-different operating 
>>>>>>>>> systems.  That's not what I said.  I said we've tried the upgrade 
>>>>>>>>> twice and then tried a clean install.  On each of the same 
>>>>>>>>> failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from a stored 
>>>>>>>>> Image.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
>>>>>>>>> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP 
>>>>>>>>> Pro flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do 
>>>>>>>>> with SATA method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but 
>>>>>>>>> that's a stretch. I have not checked the BIOS for any clues 
>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>>>>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work 
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for 
>>>>>>>>>> why:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, 
>>>>>>>>>> use Google
>>>>>>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Malke
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>>>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

Disconnect the C-drive and try again with a full install.
If you try an upgrade you can only upgrade the XP installation that is on 
your C-Drive
"JCO"  wrote in message 
news:%23zx1HWz8IHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> No.  The C-Drive currently has XP Pro ... that's it.  No other partition 
> has an OS loaded on it.
> Remember...we've tried a full install also (as oppose to an upgrade). 
> That has the same error.
>
> "Curious"  wrote in message 
> news:43907DFD-FEDA-4FF5-AED3-F1A47096D1FE@microsoft.com...
>> Sounds like it is set correctly since it is set to boot from the 
>> partition where you are installing.
>> Do you have another OS installed on any other HDDs or HDD partitions on 
>> your system?
>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>> news:%23JsKZ3f8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> My boot order is currently set to look at the DVD first, then the HD. 
>>> Since the upgrade does not require to boot from the CD, maybe I can 
>>> change the system to only look at the HD when it boots.
>>>
>>> As far as the NTFS being different.... Google "Transaction NTFS"
>>>
>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>> news:91C8BD35-24C1-4CBE-B2CF-05852D3BBC74@microsoft.com...
>>>> Since the installation appears to be not trying to read from the 
>>>> primary drive you are installing it on I made the suggestion I did.
>>>> I never said anything about the first controller I only mentioned the 
>>>> first SATA port if the SATA ports are numbered on your MOBO.
>>>> Is your BIOS set for the OS to boot from the primary drive you are 
>>>> trying to install on if your optical drive is empty?
>>>> I was not aware that there is more that there is more then one version 
>>>> of definition of the NTFS format do you have link that describes that 
>>>> there are different NTFS formats.
>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:%23JB$yhP8IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> We have it connected to the very first controller.  The enumeration of 
>>>>> SATA controllers begins at one that is what it is set to (unlike IDE 
>>>>> drives ... enumeration is zero based).  So I don't see that being an 
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's own 
>>>>> NTFS, I assume  the installation has to do a conversion.  There is no 
>>>>> evidence that this is happening (or not happening).  If its an update, 
>>>>> it would have to convert to the new NTFS first so that it does not 
>>>>> destroy the existing data and Registry items.  If your doing a clean 
>>>>> install, you would expect it to let you know that it is doing a format 
>>>>> (to the new NTFS).  Like I said, there is no evidence either way of 
>>>>> this action. We've tried the update twice and a clean install once so 
>>>>> far with the same error.  Once all the files are copied from the DVD 
>>>>> to the harddrive and the computer reboots for the first time, it has a 
>>>>> Disk Error Reading the Disk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so far for you help.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
>>>>>> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
>>>>>> The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but I 
>>>>>>> believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
>>>>>>> Why is this an issue?
>>>>>>> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect working 
>>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>> Don't know what else to do.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
>>>>>>>> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on 
>>>>>>>> connected to SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> The harddrive is a:
>>>>>>>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>>>>>>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even stated 
>>>>>>>>>> on that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the response by 
>>>>>>>>>> zuoer was not take serious.  So I will stay on this NG for now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will 
>>>>>>>>>> download the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm 
>>>>>>>>>> sure there is nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what 
>>>>>>>>>> your talking about when you said I've tried 3-different operating 
>>>>>>>>>> systems.  That's not what I said.  I said we've tried the upgrade 
>>>>>>>>>> twice and then tried a clean install.  On each of the same 
>>>>>>>>>> failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from a stored 
>>>>>>>>>> Image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the computer 
>>>>>>>>>> ourselves with good quality components.  Been running Windows XP 
>>>>>>>>>> Pro flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has anything to do 
>>>>>>>>>> with SATA method of communication with the HD instead of IDE but 
>>>>>>>>>> that's a stretch. I have not checked the BIOS for any clues 
>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the other 
>>>>>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work 
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for 
>>>>>>>>>>> why:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, 
>>>>>>>>>>> use Google
>>>>>>>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Malke
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>>>>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

That's not good.
The system is configured with XP-Pro on C, Applications on D and Data on E.
Also has Games, Media, Backup and Storage as other partitions.

If the upgrade disregards the applications that are installed on the 
D-Partition then the upgrade is no good for us.  That means a clean install 
is all we can do.

Of course it wont do that either.

"Curious"  wrote in message 
news:7DA1CE6D-52B2-48C3-A429-7188EC20EE2D@microsoft.com...
> Disconnect the C-drive and try again with a full install.
> If you try an upgrade you can only upgrade the XP installation that is on 
> your C-Drive
> "JCO"  wrote in message 
> news:%23zx1HWz8IHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> No.  The C-Drive currently has XP Pro ... that's it.  No other partition 
>> has an OS loaded on it.
>> Remember...we've tried a full install also (as oppose to an upgrade). 
>> That has the same error.
>>
>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>> news:43907DFD-FEDA-4FF5-AED3-F1A47096D1FE@microsoft.com...
>>> Sounds like it is set correctly since it is set to boot from the 
>>> partition where you are installing.
>>> Do you have another OS installed on any other HDDs or HDD partitions on 
>>> your system?
>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>> news:%23JsKZ3f8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> My boot order is currently set to look at the DVD first, then the HD. 
>>>> Since the upgrade does not require to boot from the CD, maybe I can 
>>>> change the system to only look at the HD when it boots.
>>>>
>>>> As far as the NTFS being different.... Google "Transaction NTFS"
>>>>
>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:91C8BD35-24C1-4CBE-B2CF-05852D3BBC74@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Since the installation appears to be not trying to read from the 
>>>>> primary drive you are installing it on I made the suggestion I did.
>>>>> I never said anything about the first controller I only mentioned the 
>>>>> first SATA port if the SATA ports are numbered on your MOBO.
>>>>> Is your BIOS set for the OS to boot from the primary drive you are 
>>>>> trying to install on if your optical drive is empty?
>>>>> I was not aware that there is more that there is more then one version 
>>>>> of definition of the NTFS format do you have link that describes that 
>>>>> there are different NTFS formats.
>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:%23JB$yhP8IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> We have it connected to the very first controller.  The enumeration 
>>>>>> of SATA controllers begins at one that is what it is set to (unlike 
>>>>>> IDE drives ... enumeration is zero based).  So I don't see that being 
>>>>>> an issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's 
>>>>>> own NTFS, I assume  the installation has to do a conversion.  There 
>>>>>> is no evidence that this is happening (or not happening).  If its an 
>>>>>> update, it would have to convert to the new NTFS first so that it 
>>>>>> does not destroy the existing data and Registry items.  If your doing 
>>>>>> a clean install, you would expect it to let you know that it is doing 
>>>>>> a format (to the new NTFS).  Like I said, there is no evidence either 
>>>>>> way of this action. We've tried the update twice and a clean install 
>>>>>> once so far with the same error.  Once all the files are copied from 
>>>>>> the DVD to the harddrive and the computer reboots for the first time, 
>>>>>> it has a Disk Error Reading the Disk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks so far for you help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
>>>>>>> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
>>>>>>> The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but I 
>>>>>>>> believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
>>>>>>>> Why is this an issue?
>>>>>>>> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect working 
>>>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>>> Don't know what else to do.
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
>>>>>>>>> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on 
>>>>>>>>> connected to SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> The harddrive is a:
>>>>>>>>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>>>>>>>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even 
>>>>>>>>>>> stated on that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the 
>>>>>>>>>>> response by zuoer was not take serious.  So I will stay on this 
>>>>>>>>>>> NG for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will 
>>>>>>>>>>> download the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>> sure there is nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what 
>>>>>>>>>>> your talking about when you said I've tried 3-different 
>>>>>>>>>>> operating systems.  That's not what I said.  I said we've tried 
>>>>>>>>>>> the upgrade twice and then tried a clean install.  On each of 
>>>>>>>>>>> the same failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from 
>>>>>>>>>>> a stored Image.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the 
>>>>>>>>>>> computer ourselves with good quality components.  Been running 
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Pro flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has 
>>>>>>>>>>> anything to do with SATA method of communication with the HD 
>>>>>>>>>>> instead of IDE but that's a stretch. I have not checked the BIOS 
>>>>>>>>>>> for any clues either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> other newsgroup
>>>>>>>>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more work 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> why:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your post, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> use Google
>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>>>>>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

The reason the retail upgrade costs less then a retail full install is 
because when you do an upgrade you are trading in your XP license as partial 
payment for the upgrade. So the only way you can upgrade is to do the 
upgrade on the C drive where your XP installation..
So if you can do a full backup of C before the Vista upgrade then  you can 
recover if anything goes wrong during the upgrade.  If all goes well then 
your vista system will have all of the data and programs that you had with 
XP.
You can search for assistance if you want a dual boot installation and you 
may find a way to do what you want, however, if you only have an upgrade 
install retail package the dual boot workaround will not be legal under the 
Upgrade version EULA.
"JCO"  wr te in message 
news:%23uxYvY28IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> That's not good.
> The system is configured with XP-Pro on C, Applications on D and Data on 
> E.
> Also has Games, Media, Backup and Storage as other partitions.
>
> If the upgrade disregards the applications that are installed on the 
> D-Partition then the upgrade is no good for us.  That means a clean 
> install is all we can do.
>
> Of course it wont do that either.
>
> "Curious"  wrote in message 
> news:7DA1CE6D-52B2-48C3-A429-7188EC20EE2D@microsoft.com...
>> Disconnect the C-drive and try again with a full install.
>> If you try an upgrade you can only upgrade the XP installation that is on 
>> your C-Drive
>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>> news:%23zx1HWz8IHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> No.  The C-Drive currently has XP Pro ... that's it.  No other partition 
>>> has an OS loaded on it.
>>> Remember...we've tried a full install also (as oppose to an upgrade). 
>>> That has the same error.
>>>
>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>> news:43907DFD-FEDA-4FF5-AED3-F1A47096D1FE@microsoft.com...
>>>> Sounds like it is set correctly since it is set to boot from the 
>>>> partition where you are installing.
>>>> Do you have another OS installed on any other HDDs or HDD partitions on 
>>>> your system?
>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:%23JsKZ3f8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> My boot order is currently set to look at the DVD first, then the HD. 
>>>>> Since the upgrade does not require to boot from the CD, maybe I can 
>>>>> change the system to only look at the HD when it boots.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as the NTFS being different.... Google "Transaction NTFS"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:91C8BD35-24C1-4CBE-B2CF-05852D3BBC74@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Since the installation appears to be not trying to read from the 
>>>>>> primary drive you are installing it on I made the suggestion I did.
>>>>>> I never said anything about the first controller I only mentioned the 
>>>>>> first SATA port if the SATA ports are numbered on your MOBO.
>>>>>> Is your BIOS set for the OS to boot from the primary drive you are 
>>>>>> trying to install on if your optical drive is empty?
>>>>>> I was not aware that there is more that there is more then one 
>>>>>> version of definition of the NTFS format do you have link that 
>>>>>> describes that there are different NTFS formats.
>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:%23JB$yhP8IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> We have it connected to the very first controller.  The enumeration 
>>>>>>> of SATA controllers begins at one that is what it is set to (unlike 
>>>>>>> IDE drives ... enumeration is zero based).  So I don't see that 
>>>>>>> being an issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's 
>>>>>>> own NTFS, I assume  the installation has to do a conversion.  There 
>>>>>>> is no evidence that this is happening (or not happening).  If its an 
>>>>>>> update, it would have to convert to the new NTFS first so that it 
>>>>>>> does not destroy the existing data and Registry items.  If your 
>>>>>>> doing a clean install, you would expect it to let you know that it 
>>>>>>> is doing a format (to the new NTFS).  Like I said, there is no 
>>>>>>> evidence either way of this action. We've tried the update twice and 
>>>>>>> a clean install once so far with the same error.  Once all the files 
>>>>>>> are copied from the DVD to the harddrive and the computer reboots 
>>>>>>> for the first time, it has a Disk Error Reading the Disk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks so far for you help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
>>>>>>>> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
>>>>>>>> The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but 
>>>>>>>>> I believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
>>>>>>>>> Why is this an issue?
>>>>>>>>> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect 
>>>>>>>>> working order.
>>>>>>>>> Don't know what else to do.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller and 
>>>>>>>>>> connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on 
>>>>>>>>>> connected to SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>>>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> The harddrive is a:
>>>>>>>>>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even 
>>>>>>>>>>>> stated on that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> response by zuoer was not take serious.  So I will stay on this 
>>>>>>>>>>>> NG for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will 
>>>>>>>>>>>> download the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure there is nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what 
>>>>>>>>>>>> your talking about when you said I've tried 3-different 
>>>>>>>>>>>> operating systems.  That's not what I said.  I said we've tried 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the upgrade twice and then tried a clean install.  On each of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP Pro from 
>>>>>>>>>>>> a stored Image.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> computer ourselves with good quality components.  Been running 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Pro flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has 
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything to do with SATA method of communication with the HD 
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of IDE but that's a stretch. I have not checked the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS for any clues either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other newsgroup
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> why:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> post, use Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

Well we got it to install.  The trick in installing is that the HD had to be 
reformatted.  The installation does the format but won't do it unless the 
drive is empty.  So we formatted the C-drive, then put the disk in and 
rebooted.

So they call this an upgrade but you have to re-install all software. 
Really sucks, but we are talking about Vista.  I'm glad this is my son's 
computer and not mine.

I think I will wait until the next operating system comes out before getting 
rid of XP.  Kind of like when Windows ME came out.  It's worth waiting for 
the next OS.

"Curious"  wrote in message 
news:585D1EDA-932A-4FAC-BA51-1B822C3D6671@microsoft.com...
> The reason the retail upgrade costs less then a retail full install is 
> because when you do an upgrade you are trading in your XP license as 
> partial payment for the upgrade. So the only way you can upgrade is to do 
> the upgrade on the C drive where your XP installation..
> So if you can do a full backup of C before the Vista upgrade then  you can 
> recover if anything goes wrong during the upgrade.  If all goes well then 
> your vista system will have all of the data and programs that you had with 
> XP.
> You can search for assistance if you want a dual boot installation and you 
> may find a way to do what you want, however, if you only have an upgrade 
> install retail package the dual boot workaround will not be legal under 
> the Upgrade version EULA.
> "JCO"  wr te in message 
> news:%23uxYvY28IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> That's not good.
>> The system is configured with XP-Pro on C, Applications on D and Data on 
>> E.
>> Also has Games, Media, Backup and Storage as other partitions.
>>
>> If the upgrade disregards the applications that are installed on the 
>> D-Partition then the upgrade is no good for us.  That means a clean 
>> install is all we can do.
>>
>> Of course it wont do that either.
>>
>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>> news:7DA1CE6D-52B2-48C3-A429-7188EC20EE2D@microsoft.com...
>>> Disconnect the C-drive and try again with a full install.
>>> If you try an upgrade you can only upgrade the XP installation that is 
>>> on your C-Drive
>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>> news:%23zx1HWz8IHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> No.  The C-Drive currently has XP Pro ... that's it.  No other 
>>>> partition has an OS loaded on it.
>>>> Remember...we've tried a full install also (as oppose to an upgrade). 
>>>> That has the same error.
>>>>
>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:43907DFD-FEDA-4FF5-AED3-F1A47096D1FE@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Sounds like it is set correctly since it is set to boot from the 
>>>>> partition where you are installing.
>>>>> Do you have another OS installed on any other HDDs or HDD partitions 
>>>>> on your system?
>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:%23JsKZ3f8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> My boot order is currently set to look at the DVD first, then the HD. 
>>>>>> Since the upgrade does not require to boot from the CD, maybe I can 
>>>>>> change the system to only look at the HD when it boots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as the NTFS being different.... Google "Transaction NTFS"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:91C8BD35-24C1-4CBE-B2CF-05852D3BBC74@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Since the installation appears to be not trying to read from the 
>>>>>>> primary drive you are installing it on I made the suggestion I did.
>>>>>>> I never said anything about the first controller I only mentioned 
>>>>>>> the first SATA port if the SATA ports are numbered on your MOBO.
>>>>>>> Is your BIOS set for the OS to boot from the primary drive you are 
>>>>>>> trying to install on if your optical drive is empty?
>>>>>>> I was not aware that there is more that there is more then one 
>>>>>>> version of definition of the NTFS format do you have link that 
>>>>>>> describes that there are different NTFS formats.
>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:%23JB$yhP8IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> We have it connected to the very first controller.  The enumeration 
>>>>>>>> of SATA controllers begins at one that is what it is set to (unlike 
>>>>>>>> IDE drives ... enumeration is zero based).  So I don't see that 
>>>>>>>> being an issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's 
>>>>>>>> own NTFS, I assume  the installation has to do a conversion.  There 
>>>>>>>> is no evidence that this is happening (or not happening).  If its 
>>>>>>>> an update, it would have to convert to the new NTFS first so that 
>>>>>>>> it does not destroy the existing data and Registry items.  If your 
>>>>>>>> doing a clean install, you would expect it to let you know that it 
>>>>>>>> is doing a format (to the new NTFS).  Like I said, there is no 
>>>>>>>> evidence either way of this action. We've tried the update twice 
>>>>>>>> and a clean install once so far with the same error.  Once all the 
>>>>>>>> files are copied from the DVD to the harddrive and the computer 
>>>>>>>> reboots for the first time, it has a Disk Error Reading the Disk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks so far for you help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
>>>>>>>>> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
>>>>>>>>> The SATA ports on my MOBO are numbered, are yours numbered?
>>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:%23tX$wSG8IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Yes it's a SATA Drive and it is using the onboard controller, but 
>>>>>>>>>> I believe it is controller # 0 (zero).
>>>>>>>>>> Why is this an issue?
>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP-Pro had no issues installing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All test ran on this drive shows the drive to be in perfect 
>>>>>>>>>> working order.
>>>>>>>>>> Don't know what else to do.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>> news:A212A149-9F8A-4406-B228-C3062ACEA674@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> If you are using a SATA drive with an onboard SATA controller 
>>>>>>>>>>> and connections is the drive you are trying to install Vista on 
>>>>>>>>>>> connected to SATA connector #1 on the MOBO? If not change it.
>>>>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23GuElK07IHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> The harddrive is a:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Seagate Barracuda® 7200.11 Hard Drive 500MB
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find tools that will check the harddrive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:#Wt03kt7IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I multi post because that other group was  a joke.  I even 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated on that NG that I'm moving to another NG since the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> response by zuoer was not take serious.  So I will stay on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this NG for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read your "Detail" response.  Most don't apply but I will 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> download the Mfg software to test the harddrive.  Although I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure there is nothing wrong with it.  I don't understand what 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your talking about when you said I've tried 3-different 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating systems.  That's not what I said.  I said we've 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried the upgrade twice and then tried a clean install.  On 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of the same failure, we was able to restore to Windows XP 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pro from a stored Image.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All components are less than 3 months old.  We built the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer ourselves with good quality components.  Been running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Pro flawlessly sense then.  I do wonder if it has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything to do with SATA method of communication with the HD 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of IDE but that's a stretch. I have not checked the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS for any clues either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:eCSVBuq7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JCO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (snip multipost)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asked and answered (by me in quite a bit of detail) in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other newsgroup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to which you posted. Please don't multipost; it makes more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone and will get you *less* help, not more. See this for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have forgotten where you posted or can't find your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post, use Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups Advanced Search and search for your name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>

Not sure why you had to reformat I have done 2 XP to Vista upgrades without 
reformatting and never  had a problem and did not have to re-install any 
applications.  In any case you are up an running now so that is the good 
news.
"JCO"  wrote in message 
news:%23snCvyC9IHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Well we got it to install.  The trick in installing is that the HD had to 
> be reformatted.  The installation does the format but won't do it unless 
> the drive is empty.  So we formatted the C-drive, then put the disk in and 
> rebooted.
>
> So they call this an upgrade but you have to re-install all software. 
> Really sucks, but we are talking about Vista.  I'm glad this is my son's 
> computer and not mine.
>
> I think I will wait until the next operating system comes out before 
> getting rid of XP.  Kind of like when Windows ME came out.  It's worth 
> waiting for the next OS.
>
> "Curious"  wrote in message 
> news:585D1EDA-932A-4FAC-BA51-1B822C3D6671@microsoft.com...
>> The reason the retail upgrade costs less then a retail full install is 
>> because when you do an upgrade you are trading in your XP license as 
>> partial payment for the upgrade. So the only way you can upgrade is to do 
>> the upgrade on the C drive where your XP installation..
>> So if you can do a full backup of C before the Vista upgrade then  you 
>> can recover if anything goes wrong during the upgrade.  If all goes well 
>> then your vista system will have all of the data and programs that you 
>> had with XP.
>> You can search for assistance if you want a dual boot installation and 
>> you may find a way to do what you want, however, if you only have an 
>> upgrade install retail package the dual boot workaround will not be legal 
>> under the Upgrade version EULA.
>> "JCO"  wr te in message 
>> news:%23uxYvY28IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> That's not good.
>>> The system is configured with XP-Pro on C, Applications on D and Data on 
>>> E.
>>> Also has Games, Media, Backup and Storage as other partitions.
>>>
>>> If the upgrade disregards the applications that are installed on the 
>>> D-Partition then the upgrade is no good for us.  That means a clean 
>>> install is all we can do.
>>>
>>> Of course it wont do that either.
>>>
>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>> news:7DA1CE6D-52B2-48C3-A429-7188EC20EE2D@microsoft.com...
>>>> Disconnect the C-drive and try again with a full install.
>>>> If you try an upgrade you can only upgrade the XP installation that is 
>>>> on your C-Drive
>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:%23zx1HWz8IHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> No.  The C-Drive currently has XP Pro ... that's it.  No other 
>>>>> partition has an OS loaded on it.
>>>>> Remember...we've tried a full install also (as oppose to an upgrade). 
>>>>> That has the same error.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:43907DFD-FEDA-4FF5-AED3-F1A47096D1FE@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Sounds like it is set correctly since it is set to boot from the 
>>>>>> partition where you are installing.
>>>>>> Do you have another OS installed on any other HDDs or HDD partitions 
>>>>>> on your system?
>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:%23JsKZ3f8IHA.5596@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> My boot order is currently set to look at the DVD first, then the 
>>>>>>> HD. Since the upgrade does not require to boot from the CD, maybe I 
>>>>>>> can change the system to only look at the HD when it boots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as the NTFS being different.... Google "Transaction NTFS"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:91C8BD35-24C1-4CBE-B2CF-05852D3BBC74@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> Since the installation appears to be not trying to read from the 
>>>>>>>> primary drive you are installing it on I made the suggestion I did.
>>>>>>>> I never said anything about the first controller I only mentioned 
>>>>>>>> the first SATA port if the SATA ports are numbered on your MOBO.
>>>>>>>> Is your BIOS set for the OS to boot from the primary drive you are 
>>>>>>>> trying to install on if your optical drive is empty?
>>>>>>>> I was not aware that there is more that there is more then one 
>>>>>>>> version of definition of the NTFS format do you have link that 
>>>>>>>> describes that there are different NTFS formats.
>>>>>>>> "JCO"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:%23JB$yhP8IHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> We have it connected to the very first controller.  The 
>>>>>>>>> enumeration of SATA controllers begins at one that is what it is 
>>>>>>>>> set to (unlike IDE drives ... enumeration is zero based).  So I 
>>>>>>>>> don't see that being an issue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been curious about the NTFS structure.   Since Vista has it's 
>>>>>>>>> own NTFS, I assume  the installation has to do a conversion. 
>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that this is happening (or not happening). 
>>>>>>>>> If its an update, it would have to convert to the new NTFS first 
>>>>>>>>> so that it does not destroy the existing data and Registry items. 
>>>>>>>>> If your doing a clean install, you would expect it to let you know 
>>>>>>>>> that it is doing a format (to the new NTFS).  Like I said, there 
>>>>>>>>> is no evidence either way of this action. We've tried the update 
>>>>>>>>> twice and a clean install once so far with the same error.  Once 
>>>>>>>>> all the files are copied from the DVD to the harddrive and the 
>>>>>>>>> computer reboots for the first time, it has a Disk Error Reading 
>>>>>>>>> the Disk.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks so far for you help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Curious"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:B73A962A-79E5-4A3F-8F3D-C51265E23B4A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Some MOBOS do not support the auto boot process during a Vista 
>>>>>>>>>> installation if the destination drive is not on SATA port #1.
>>>>>>>>>&