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date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:42:13 -0700,    group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices        back       


8gb RAM problems on vista64   
I'm having repeated system restarts since going from 4 to 8gb.  The crashes 
occur whenever I push the system to actually use more than 4gb, otherwise 
it's rock solid and never crashes.  The RAM consists of 4x2gb stalks all 
purchased in one go from Crucial and is listed (by them) as compatible with 
my specific motherboard.  Each stalk works fine on it's own or in tandem, but 
as soon as I move to all 4 the problems start.  Sometimes I see the BSOD with 
"stop" messages, but most often the system just reboots immeadiatly.

Some specs;
CPU: Intel quad core q6600
Motherboard: P5N32E-SLI
RAM: Crucial. Part #: CT2KIT25664AA1067 • DDR2 PC2-8500 • CL=7 • Unbuffered 
• NON-ECC • DDR2-1066 • 1.8V • 256Meg x 64 •
GPU: Nvidia 8800gts (640mb version)
OS: Vista Home Premium 64-bit SP1 

I've trawled the hotfixes here, and on the manufacturers website for each 
component but haven't had any luck.  My drivers, BIOS and Vista updates are 
all up to date, i've even tried a clean format and install of vista. Can 
anyone out there help?

Fingers crossed,

Cameron.
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:42:13 -0700   author:   C. Gillian

Re: 8gb RAM problems on vista64   
Can you post the error code of the blue screens you get when you install
the 8gb of memory. And also try each memory in each slot to see, if the
motherboard is causing the issue or not.


-- 
tanuj_chadha
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:10:57 -0500   author:   tanuj_chadha

Re: 8gb RAM problems on vista64   
Crash information would be useful.

Have you run the memory diagnostic off of the Vista installation DVD?


"C. Gillian"  wrote in message 
news:17E7BF38-E9A1-4572-9441-66CBC9EC71E5@microsoft.com...
> I'm having repeated system restarts since going from 4 to 8gb.  The 
> crashes
> occur whenever I push the system to actually use more than 4gb, otherwise
> it's rock solid and never crashes.  The RAM consists of 4x2gb stalks all
> purchased in one go from Crucial and is listed (by them) as compatible 
> with
> my specific motherboard.  Each stalk works fine on it's own or in tandem, 
> but
> as soon as I move to all 4 the problems start.  Sometimes I see the BSOD 
> with
> "stop" messages, but most often the system just reboots immeadiatly.
>
> Some specs;
> CPU: Intel quad core q6600
> Motherboard: P5N32E-SLI
> RAM: Crucial. Part #: CT2KIT25664AA1067 • DDR2 PC2-8500 • CL=7 • 
> Unbuffered
> • NON-ECC • DDR2-1066 • 1.8V • 256Meg x 64 •
> GPU: Nvidia 8800gts (640mb version)
> OS: Vista Home Premium 64-bit SP1
>
> I've trawled the hotfixes here, and on the manufacturers website for each
> component but haven't had any luck.  My drivers, BIOS and Vista updates 
> are
> all up to date, i've even tried a clean format and install of vista. Can
> anyone out there help?
>
> Fingers crossed,
>
> Cameron.
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:18:23 -0700   author:   Timothy Davis [MSFT]

Re: 8gb RAM problems on vista64   
Some motherboards have a problem when all four DIMM slots are populated. 
That motherboard appears to be affected.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=P5N32E-SLI+four+sticks&meta=

I've found the best remedy is to  increase the RAM voltage very slightly and 
run the RAM at a slower speed.

-- 
Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
http://vistahelpca.blogspot.com/


"C. Gillian"  wrote in message 
news:17E7BF38-E9A1-4572-9441-66CBC9EC71E5@microsoft.com...
> I'm having repeated system restarts since going from 4 to 8gb.  The 
> crashes
> occur whenever I push the system to actually use more than 4gb, otherwise
> it's rock solid and never crashes.  The RAM consists of 4x2gb stalks all
> purchased in one go from Crucial and is listed (by them) as compatible 
> with
> my specific motherboard.  Each stalk works fine on it's own or in tandem, 
> but
> as soon as I move to all 4 the problems start.  Sometimes I see the BSOD 
> with
> "stop" messages, but most often the system just reboots immeadiatly.
>
> Some specs;
> CPU: Intel quad core q6600
> Motherboard: P5N32E-SLI
> RAM: Crucial. Part #: CT2KIT25664AA1067 • DDR2 PC2-8500 • CL=7 • 
> Unbuffered
> • NON-ECC • DDR2-1066 • 1.8V • 256Meg x 64 •
> GPU: Nvidia 8800gts (640mb version)
> OS: Vista Home Premium 64-bit SP1
>
> I've trawled the hotfixes here, and on the manufacturers website for each
> component but haven't had any luck.  My drivers, BIOS and Vista updates 
> are
> all up to date, i've even tried a clean format and install of vista. Can
> anyone out there help?
>
> Fingers crossed,
>
> Cameron.
date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:57:42 -0700   author:   Kerry Brown kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m

Re: 8gb RAM problems on vista64   
I had a similar issue when I moved to 8gb on my system. The ram was 
producing errors that crashed the system. memtest86 cannot test the full 8gb 
ram (or at least couldnt back when I tried). I found a program 
http://hcidesign.com/memtest/ which also happens to be called memtest but 
runs inside windows rather than at bootup and you can test 8gb of ram with 
it by opening up multiple instances of the program until you are using all 
8gb of ram. I was running 8 copies testing 1gb each and found that I was 
producing errors. The solution to fixing this problem was as another reply 
suggested increasing the ram voltage in the bios (only increase it a very 
small amount) and then try running the memory test again to see if it is 
stable. I was able to get all 8GB running at 800mhz with only a small bump 
in the voltage but you may also have to drop the speed of the ram to get it 
stable.

HTH
Robert


"C. Gillian"  wrote in message 
news:17E7BF38-E9A1-4572-9441-66CBC9EC71E5@microsoft.com...
> I'm having repeated system restarts since going from 4 to 8gb.  The 
> crashes
> occur whenever I push the system to actually use more than 4gb, otherwise
> it's rock solid and never crashes.  The RAM consists of 4x2gb stalks all
> purchased in one go from Crucial and is listed (by them) as compatible 
> with
> my specific motherboard.  Each stalk works fine on it's own or in tandem, 
> but
> as soon as I move to all 4 the problems start.  Sometimes I see the BSOD 
> with
> "stop" messages, but most often the system just reboots immeadiatly.
>
> Some specs;
> CPU: Intel quad core q6600
> Motherboard: P5N32E-SLI
> RAM: Crucial. Part #: CT2KIT25664AA1067 • DDR2 PC2-8500 • CL=7 • 
> Unbuffered
> • NON-ECC • DDR2-1066 • 1.8V • 256Meg x 64 •
> GPU: Nvidia 8800gts (640mb version)
> OS: Vista Home Premium 64-bit SP1
>
> I've trawled the hotfixes here, and on the manufacturers website for each
> component but haven't had any luck.  My drivers, BIOS and Vista updates 
> are
> all up to date, i've even tried a clean format and install of vista. Can
> anyone out there help?
>
> Fingers crossed,
>
> Cameron.
date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:41:36 +1000   author:   Robert McMillan

Re: 8gb RAM problems on vista64   
Sounds like hardware so I would first double check the amount of voltage
going to the ram.  Make sure it is within the manufacturer's spec. 
Then, less aggressive timings.  Then, try different brand of ram.  Then,
different motherboard.  FYI, I'm running a Gigabyte x48-DQ6 with 8gb of
Mushkin Ascent DDR2-1066 with no problems.  Hope that helps.


-- 
rumjungle
date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:02:01 -0500   author:   rumjungle

Re: 8gb RAM problems on vista64   
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:02:01 -0500, rumjungle
 wrote:

>Then, try different brand of ram.  Then,
>different motherboard.  

Sure.  No problem.  Folks usually have a few spares of each laying
around the house.
date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:19:08 -0500   author:   Paul Montgomery

Re: 8gb RAM problems on vista64   
"Paul Montgomery"  wrote in message 
news:3fvda4h362ktojsnsdor0m8shbqql17je8@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:02:01 -0500, rumjungle
>  wrote:
>
>>Then, try different brand of ram.  Then,
>>different motherboard.
>
> Sure.  No problem.  Folks usually have a few spares of each laying
> around the house.

There is a procedure for this, and as I recall it amounts to doing the Vista 
setup with 4 megs installed, and then adding the additional memory. I am 
pretty sure there is a KB article on this.  Good luck.
date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:15:42 -0500   author:   Wandering

Re: 8gb RAM problems on vista64   
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:15:42 -0500, "Wandering"
 wrote:

>
>"Paul Montgomery"  wrote in message 
>news:3fvda4h362ktojsnsdor0m8shbqql17je8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:02:01 -0500, rumjungle
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Then, try different brand of ram.  Then,
>>>different motherboard.
>>
>> Sure.  No problem.  Folks usually have a few spares of each laying
>> around the house.
>
>There is a procedure for this, and as I recall it amounts to doing the Vista 
>setup with 4 megs installed, and then adding the additional memory. I am 
>pretty sure there is a KB article on this.  Good luck. 

Umm... I'm not the one having the problem.
date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:28:45 -0500   author:   Paul Montgomery

Re: 8gb RAM problems on vista64   
Thanks for all the feedback folks.  The problem isn't exactly solved but I 
have a work around thanks to your efforts.

I've bumped the voltage from 1.8v to 1.85v and dropped the speed from 800 to 
667, this has fixed the problem immeadiatly.

I can't step the voltage by anything less than 0.05v but i'll experiment 
with small increments of speed till i find an optimum.

Thanks again.
date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:37:03 -0700   author:   C. Gillian

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