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date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:22:00 -0700,
group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
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Re: I must be the only one
roraniel wrote:
> I like Vista!
>
> After reading about the horrors of Vista for over a year I decided to take
> the plunge anyway and upgrade. I have a stock Dell Inspiron 640m laptop with
> 1.6GHz Dual Core Processor and 1G of memory that is labeled "Designed for
> Windows XP. Windows Vista Capable."
>
> I did a lot of research on drivers and downloaded a couple that needed to be
> updated. I also backed up all my data and did a clean install on a freshly
> formated hard drive. The install went smooth.
>
> I upgraded to Vista Ultimate and I like it! It runs smooth, the graphics are
> awesome, and the sidebar has some useful tools. I also migrated to a dock
> program called RocketDock which makes my desktop very clean looking. The only
> thing I do not like is the UAC but I downloaded TweakUAC and life is good.
>
> I have not had one single issue, crash, or conflict. I was worried about MS
> Office 2003 but that runs flawlessly as well.
>
> Why do people have so many issues? Is it improper install? I do not
> understand!
i'm in the same boat. i'm a long time fan of xp pro for gaming, and
using linux/bsd/solaris since 1997 for actual work. my workstation was a
dual boot setup with ubuntu and xp pro for gaming, learning, coding,
graphics, video, etc. i was in the camp that has been bashing vista
(without merit) since its inception.
however, i decided last week to build me a new workstation/gaming
machine. i also decided i'd give vista ultimate 64-bit a try for kicks,
and if i didnt like it then i'd figure at worst i could play with it
under vmware as a toy.
i built the box with a core2 duo e8500, 4gb pc-1066, radeon 4850, 2x
250gb sata 3gb, asus p5q se mb, and sb audigy2 zs sound.
i must say this is the most dramatic upgrade i've done in a very long
time, and im coming from an amd x2 5200 as well.
as far as vista goes, i've been VERY impressed by it and i can hardly
believe i feel as good about it as i do. it feels wrong, but eh...what
can you do? lol
gaming on this machine is outstanding. unfortunately i still cannot use
windows outside of photoshop/video editing for productivity mainly
because its still lacking virtual desktops and terminal windows which i
need when i code, but overall its a very solid operating system.
for a unix geek who uses windows to play, vista got my two thumbs up
this go around. :)
date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:06:17 -0400
author: Chris H.
Re: I must be the only one
"roraniel" wrote in message
news:ECBE4D57-F19B-41EE-8BB8-35562A49C33D@microsoft.com...
>I like Vista!
>
> After reading about the horrors of Vista for over a year I decided to take
> the plunge anyway and upgrade. I have a stock Dell Inspiron 640m laptop
> with
> 1.6GHz Dual Core Processor and 1G of memory that is labeled "Designed for
> Windows XP. Windows Vista Capable."
>
> I did a lot of research on drivers and downloaded a couple that needed to
> be
> updated. I also backed up all my data and did a clean install on a freshly
> formated hard drive. The install went smooth.
>
> I upgraded to Vista Ultimate and I like it! It runs smooth, the graphics
> are
> awesome, and the sidebar has some useful tools. I also migrated to a dock
> program called RocketDock which makes my desktop very clean looking. The
> only
> thing I do not like is the UAC but I downloaded TweakUAC and life is good.
>
> I have not had one single issue, crash, or conflict. I was worried about
> MS
> Office 2003 but that runs flawlessly as well.
>
> Why do people have so many issues? Is it improper install? I do not
> understand!
You're not the only one! While I'm not using Ultimate, both my new desktop
and laptop are Vista Home Premium machines, and I really like it, too. Sure,
had to update some drivers, but everything's running smoothly.
Lesley
date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:13:35 -0600
author: LesleyO
Re: I must be the only one
"roraniel" wrote in message
news:ECBE4D57-F19B-41EE-8BB8-35562A49C33D@microsoft.com...
>I like Vista!
>
> After reading about the horrors of Vista for over a year I decided to take
> the plunge anyway and upgrade. I have a stock Dell Inspiron 640m laptop
> with
> 1.6GHz Dual Core Processor and 1G of memory that is labeled "Designed for
> Windows XP. Windows Vista Capable."
>
> I did a lot of research on drivers and downloaded a couple that needed to
> be
> updated. I also backed up all my data and did a clean install on a freshly
> formated hard drive. The install went smooth.
>
> I upgraded to Vista Ultimate and I like it! It runs smooth, the graphics
> are
> awesome, and the sidebar has some useful tools. I also migrated to a dock
> program called RocketDock which makes my desktop very clean looking. The
> only
> thing I do not like is the UAC but I downloaded TweakUAC and life is good.
>
> I have not had one single issue, crash, or conflict. I was worried about
> MS
> Office 2003 but that runs flawlessly as well.
>
> Why do people have so many issues? Is it improper install? I do not
> understand!
You're not the only one.
Disclaimer for the Linux crowd: I don't work for MS. I work for a
healthcare organization in the southeast. I support all versions of
Windows, and even some DOS machines. I have been using computers since
MS-DOS 3.2. I have used Windows since 3.x
Every time there is a major change in the platform, i.e., Windows 3.x to
Windows 95, Windows 98 to Windows 2000, and even 2000 to XP, there have been
those that "just don't like it". They don't like change. I had a hard time
convincing an administrator that he would like XP better than he did 98. He
skipped 2000, and only upgraded to XP after his PC flat died. He now
doesn't know how he ever go along with 98.
And yes, I concur with Paul that most of the Vista detractors have never
even used Vista, any some probably never used Windows past 98. That was the
thinking behind MS's "Mojave Project", showing people that never used Vista
that it wasn't as bad as everyone said. There are things that work
differently, and things that are in different locations, but IMHO it's not
unlike every other shift in the platform, 3.x to 95, 98 to 2000, or even NT
to 2000. I find several things in Vista to be much better than in previous
versions.
There are gripes about how certain software packages aren't
Vista-compatible. So? There were plenty of Windows 3.11 programs that
wouldn't run on 95 or 98, and plently of 95/98/NT programs that wouldn't run
on 2000/XP. That's nothing new, it happens everytime. Interestingly
enough, I have some Win3.11 games from MS that run on Vista, so it's not
always the OS's fault, sometimes its the programmer of the software.
Sometimes it just can't be done, sometimes they want you to upgrade.
Sometimes its a case of taking shortcuts in programming, using undocumented
features that MS repeatedly warns not to count on being in future versions.
It's kind of like cutting through the neighbor's field every morning on your
way to school. Then one day there's a fence up, and you have to go around.
You're late for school and blame the landowner when it was you that was
trespassing.
The gripes about older hardware not being supported...well, that's nothing
new, but it's not the fault of MS that hardware manufacturers don't update
their drivers. Again, sometimes it can't be done, and sometimes they just
want you to upgrade. They are interested in making you buy new equipment,
so they use a new Windows version to force the issue. I had to dump a
perfectly good Lexmark inkjet printer because Lexmark didn't provide Windows
2000 drivers for it.
So, no, you're not the only one. My Vista machine was bought with Vista
pre-installed. Every peripheral I've used works, some without even
installing drivers. UAC needs more tweaking, although it's better after
SP1. I'm using Windows Live OneCare for malware protection. I don't like
the amount of memory it uses; I hope they can reduce this in a future
version.
Ferd
date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:42:19 -0500
author: Ferd Burfel
Re: I must be the only one
> There are gripes about how certain software packages aren't
> Vista-compatible. So? There were plenty of Windows 3.11 programs that
> wouldn't run on 95 or 98, and plenty of 95/98/NT programs that wouldn't
> run on 2000/XP. That's nothing new, it happens every time.
its strange though.. I have spoken to many tech savvy people that started
out using windows since 3.1 (me included)
they never said anything bad about new versions of windows, in fact they
were eager to use the new stuff, with the exceptions
of windows ME and Vista,
both have so many problems its incredible that MS has not recalled it yet.
People that love technology welcome change and learning, its what keeps them
going. But they hate stupidity. And vista is full of it.
I have just gotten use to the crap and am ignoring it, but I know its there.
Yes vista is full of crap.
Transitions where kernel is changed like from 3.x to 95 or from 9x to NT are
big steps and everyone should understand that there will be problems. Going
from version 5.2 to 6 on the same NT kernel (windows server 2003 to vista)
is NOT a good enough excuse to destroy compatibility that much. Vista should
be able to use 99.99% of the drivers out there, just like XP could use
windows 2000 drivers.
If you disagree I hope Windows7 breaks all compatibility with all your
current hardware and you will have to buy new ones if you want to upgrade!
lol. Lets see if you will like THAT!
> thinking behind MS's "Mojave Project", showing people that never used
> Vista that it wasn't as bad as everyone said.
That was a big propaganda thing that seems that you fell for. How sad.
Extremely sad.
They gave preinstalled computers that were made sure to be vista ready, all
drivers checked and installed and software that is sure to work with vista.
They just sat in front of a computer and used it. This is not real testing..
real testing involves installations of software and hardware.
When you go to a net café I donât think you have a global view of the OS,
only when you need to install programs hardware and the OS itself
on multiple computers do you gain an understanding. I have done just that,
and boy vista is full of problems!!
I'm using Windows Live OneCare for malware protection. I don't like
> the amount of memory it uses; I hope they can reduce this in a future
> version.
Very bad choice. Buy some more ram because IT WILL ONLY GET FATTER!
"Ferd Burfel" wrote in message
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>
> "roraniel" wrote in message
> news:ECBE4D57-F19B-41EE-8BB8-35562A49C33D@microsoft.com...
>>I like Vista!
>>
>> After reading about the horrors of Vista for over a year I decided to
>> take
>> the plunge anyway and upgrade. I have a stock Dell Inspiron 640m laptop
>> with
>> 1.6GHz Dual Core Processor and 1G of memory that is labeled "Designed for
>> Windows XP. Windows Vista Capable."
>>
>> I did a lot of research on drivers and downloaded a couple that needed to
>> be
>> updated. I also backed up all my data and did a clean install on a
>> freshly
>> formated hard drive. The install went smooth.
>>
>> I upgraded to Vista Ultimate and I like it! It runs smooth, the graphics
>> are
>> awesome, and the sidebar has some useful tools. I also migrated to a dock
>> program called RocketDock which makes my desktop very clean looking. The
>> only
>> thing I do not like is the UAC but I downloaded TweakUAC and life is
>> good.
>>
>> I have not had one single issue, crash, or conflict. I was worried about
>> MS
>> Office 2003 but that runs flawlessly as well.
>>
>> Why do people have so many issues? Is it improper install? I do not
>> understand!
>
> You're not the only one.
>
> Disclaimer for the Linux crowd: I don't work for MS. I work for a
> healthcare organization in the southeast. I support all versions of
> Windows, and even some DOS machines. I have been using computers since
> MS-DOS 3.2. I have used Windows since 3.x
>
> Every time there is a major change in the platform, i.e., Windows 3.x to
> Windows 95, Windows 98 to Windows 2000, and even 2000 to XP, there have
> been those that "just don't like it". They don't like change. I had a
> hard time convincing an administrator that he would like XP better than he
> did 98. He skipped 2000, and only upgraded to XP after his PC flat died.
> He now doesn't know how he ever go along with 98.
>
> And yes, I concur with Paul that most of the Vista detractors have never
> even used Vista, any some probably never used Windows past 98. That was
> the thinking behind MS's "Mojave Project", showing people that never used
> Vista that it wasn't as bad as everyone said. There are things that work
> differently, and things that are in different locations, but IMHO it's not
> unlike every other shift in the platform, 3.x to 95, 98 to 2000, or even
> NT to 2000. I find several things in Vista to be much better than in
> previous versions.
>
> There are gripes about how certain software packages aren't
> Vista-compatible. So? There were plenty of Windows 3.11 programs that
> wouldn't run on 95 or 98, and plently of 95/98/NT programs that wouldn't
> run on 2000/XP. That's nothing new, it happens everytime. Interestingly
> enough, I have some Win3.11 games from MS that run on Vista, so it's not
> always the OS's fault, sometimes its the programmer of the software.
> Sometimes it just can't be done, sometimes they want you to upgrade.
> Sometimes its a case of taking shortcuts in programming, using
> undocumented features that MS repeatedly warns not to count on being in
> future versions.
>
> It's kind of like cutting through the neighbor's field every morning on
> your way to school. Then one day there's a fence up, and you have to go
> around. You're late for school and blame the landowner when it was you
> that was trespassing.
>
> The gripes about older hardware not being supported...well, that's nothing
> new, but it's not the fault of MS that hardware manufacturers don't update
> their drivers. Again, sometimes it can't be done, and sometimes they just
> want you to upgrade. They are interested in making you buy new equipment,
> so they use a new Windows version to force the issue. I had to dump a
> perfectly good Lexmark inkjet printer because Lexmark didn't provide
> Windows 2000 drivers for it.
>
> So, no, you're not the only one. My Vista machine was bought with Vista
> pre-installed. Every peripheral I've used works, some without even
> installing drivers. UAC needs more tweaking, although it's better after
> SP1. I'm using Windows Live OneCare for malware protection. I don't like
> the amount of memory it uses; I hope they can reduce this in a future
> version.
>
> Ferd
date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:27:40 +0300
author: the granter of sina
Re: I must be the only one
"Paul Smith" wrote in message
news:Oub2zfkKJHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "roraniel" wrote in message
> news:ECBE4D57-F19B-41EE-8BB8-35562A49C33D@microsoft.com...
>> Why do people have so many issues? Is it improper install? I do not
>> understand!
> I'd be willing to bet 90% of anti-Vista nonsense is from people who have
> never used it.
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
> http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
A lot of it is what you like on a personal level.
I can make Vista work as designed; I just don't like the design.
For many, the real question is 'What exactly do you want/need your machine
to do?'
I have yet to see anything I want/need that Vista can do that XP can't (and
faster).
I have used 'it' since early BETA, it never grew on me.
I dislike the interface and the extra steps it takes to do some things.
UAC infuriates me, and disabling it screws things up. Good idea, as good of
implementation as MS BOB...
Should I have to use the super admin account to make my OS work anywhere
close to the way I want it to?
On my own machine, I dual boot with Ultimate & XP Pro, but I can't bear to
use 'it' as my main OS, even on the Q6600/4GB machine.
I keep 150+ XP Pro machines running and about 50 (all P2-P3 that originally
had W98/ME/NT) Linux systems.
At this point, I see no benefit to moving to Vista. And our product supplier
won't support their applications on Vista.
We use all peer to peer networking with no domain. We have multiple
locations and PTP T-1/Routers/firewalls/PIX/VOIP, and integrating Vista into
that environment would suck.
Our business management software is hosted remotely on an AS800 system
accessed through a browser based interface.
date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:17:32 -0600
author: Not Even Me
Re: I must be the only one
Ringmaster wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:30:14 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>Sthief Ballmer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Em Sexta, 10 de Outubro de 2008 01:17, Frank escreveu:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sthief Ballmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Em Quinta, 9 de Outubro de 2008 16:22, roraniel escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do people have so many issues? Is it improper install? I do not
>>>>>>understand!
>>>>>
>>>>>You will, just wait a few months... windows is allways fine after
>>>>>installation.
>>>>>Now start using it to see.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh you mean after an incompetent idiot moron lying linux troll like you
>>>>screws it up in the name of "tweaking"?
>>>>hehehe...sure...a few of you jackasses always shoot yourselves in the
>>>>foot then complain that you're hobbled!...LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>Don't talk to me, you coward
>>>
>>
>>hehehe...what's wrong girlie-man, got your little panties all in a bunch?
>>Hahahaha.
>>Loser!
>
>
> This would be a good time to remind people the idiot Frank admitted he
> needed to call Microsoft's help line, what this clueless stooge calls
> his personal consultants, in order to get HIS copy of Vista running.
hehehe...selective memory loss or real dementia ringbastard?
One more time...take notes or have bubba do it for you. I called our
roving rep's cell phone about a video driver for one of the betas.
Got it? Maybe have your man-servant+ bubba google it for you!
>
> You're just a ill tempered clown Frank. My job is to continue to
> remind people of that FACT.
You don't have a job remember? Not for the last 20+ yrs. You've been
unemployed and unemployable because of your big fat pompous lying mouth.
Remember?...LOL!
Loser!
date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:31:19 -0700
author: Frank
Re: I must be the only one
"Ringmaster" wrote in message
news:bsjue4lljadgrk6uqds126901nhfqqis1b@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:28:54 -0600, "LesleyO "
> wrote:
>
>>I've used it since March; have installed lots of software and hardware. No
>>problems.
>>Lesley
>
> Somebody saying "he has no problems" is like some guy standing in the
> middle of Death Valley and saying hey it isn't raining here then
> jumping to the stupid conclusion it isn't raining anywhere on the
> planet.
>
> How many Vista problems show up is relative you WHAT you do with your
> computer. If you barely use it, (obviously describes most that post
> here) that would be like driving around the block in your 1970's Ford.
> A pretty safe gamble you won't have a breakdown. Take that same car on
> a cross country trip pulling a trailer and see how long before it
> quits on you.
>
> What is both mind boggling and damn funny is how so many people base
> reality on their limited personal experience. Vista is riddled with
> bugs, can be slow and prone to act up. The proof can be found using
> Google, searching Microsoft's own Knowledgebase and reading posts
> here. Consider yourself lucky Vista gives you no problems. Millions
> of your fellow users aren't that lucky. That's called reality.
>
Limited personal experience? How I use it? You have to be kidding.
I'm retired and on the computer about five hours daily, at least; it's one
of my favourite 'toys'. As for use, I am consistently editing images using
PaintShopPro. I am the production editor of a 44-page quarterly publication,
using Adobe InDesign. There are all sorts of downloads on my desktop (and on
my laptop) that I've installed myself. My desktop system is on 24/7 and yes,
I allow automatic updates from both Microsoft and Symantec (running NIS,
also with no problems). My other security software programs are AdAware and
SpyBot S&D.
As a person who bought *her* (not his) first computer in 1983 and was doing
programming in basic at the time, I'm hardly someone with "limited personal
experience."
As for the car analogy, I also had a '79 Mustang that I drove for 20 years
before selling it. It, too, caused me no trouble - because I knew how to
treat it and use it! The owner of the car lot I sold it to liked it so much
that he kept it as a 'classic'. (And we've had a trailer, but would never
ask the Mustang to pull it.)
So you can take your narrow-minded generalization and stuff it.
Lesley
date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:44 -0600
author: LesleyO
Re: I must be the only one
Good for you and I am happy for you and you certainly are not the only one.
After reading another round of long debate, I'd like to take the opportunity
to share what some of conflicts are all about and it's a little bit more
than the usual flaming game (e.g. people don't like Vista must not have used
it).
All these conflicts really boil down to how does one perceive a product (in
this case, a computer and operating system) and what objectives does one
wish to accomplish?
Using myself as an example, when purchasing personal belongings, I don't
always use rational decision, and most of the time, I bought it simply
because I wanted to (aren't buying things make one feels good sometime?) and
I have no problem for spending hours and days on playing with the new gear
or toy or solving all the puzzles. In fact, I enjoy it.
Now, when it comes to a business decision especially for a serious one. I
tend to go over a set of seriously defined evaluation criterions and to
suppress my personal preferences to the minimum degree. And try to
eliminate all unnecessary steps that will not help any productivity. Why?
If I don't do that, how can our company save unnecessary costs and/or
generate additional revenues for - taking care of employees and
stakeholders, a simple fact everyone can understand, right? In simple
words, it's all about return on investment whilst it's not something always
in my personal life.
The problem with Windows is that, fortunately and unfortunately, it is
widely used by both consumer and serious business entities. And it's not
too difficult to see where are the potential conflicts, right?
Some people criticized it (myself included) because we wish the product can
better serve in a business environment more than just in our living room or
as my new toy (PS: I can buy new toys only when our company is growing and
making profits). Others don't go over the same evaluation criterions (and
rightfully, no everyone has to) may not understand why and how the
criticisms were derived. In this case, you are the only one matters. As
long as you are happy, that is GREAT!!!
As almost everything else in the world, it's not a black or white, 0 or 1,
on or off kind of thing; it's how people are going to use the product, and
either side is legitimate for their feedback and opinions, and they should
be equally treated and collected by the company for how to further improve
the product to better meet both sides' needs and demands.
So instead of throwing in insults and flames, why don't we ask, what is the
primary purpose for the product (in this case, Vista and can be anything
else too) that we are going to use and also consider and respect other's
perspectives.
There is one thing that I don't quite understand after reading this
newsgroup for more than a year, and that is, What is going to hurt the
company by asking or demanding it to work even harder and to come out a even
better product? It seems to me that many people think it's a BAD thing to
do, why?
"roraniel" wrote in message
news:ECBE4D57-F19B-41EE-8BB8-35562A49C33D@microsoft.com...
>I like Vista!
>
> After reading about the horrors of Vista for over a year I decided to take
> the plunge anyway and upgrade. I have a stock Dell Inspiron 640m laptop
> with
> 1.6GHz Dual Core Processor and 1G of memory that is labeled "Designed for
> Windows XP. Windows Vista Capable."
>
> I did a lot of research on drivers and downloaded a couple that needed to
> be
> updated. I also backed up all my data and did a clean install on a freshly
> formated hard drive. The install went smooth.
>
> I upgraded to Vista Ultimate and I like it! It runs smooth, the graphics
> are
> awesome, and the sidebar has some useful tools. I also migrated to a dock
> program called RocketDock which makes my desktop very clean looking. The
> only
> thing I do not like is the UAC but I downloaded TweakUAC and life is good.
>
> I have not had one single issue, crash, or conflict. I was worried about
> MS
> Office 2003 but that runs flawlessly as well.
>
> Why do people have so many issues? Is it improper install? I do not
> understand!
date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:21:03 -0700
author: xfile
Re: I must be the only one
I also wish to mention that MVPs in general are disqualified to participate
in discussions like this as many of them are also channel partners of the
product provider and are bound by their self-interests of selling more
products.
This is a user-to-user group as many noted not a broker-to-user group. MVPs
would be better off by doing what they should be doing - Help user for
technical problems.
"xfile" wrote in message
news:eUMxCdzKJHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Good for you and I am happy for you and you certainly are not the only
> one.
>
> After reading another round of long debate, I'd like to take the
> opportunity to share what some of conflicts are all about and it's a
> little bit more than the usual flaming game (e.g. people don't like Vista
> must not have used it).
>
> All these conflicts really boil down to how does one perceive a product
> (in this case, a computer and operating system) and what objectives does
> one wish to accomplish?
>
> Using myself as an example, when purchasing personal belongings, I don't
> always use rational decision, and most of the time, I bought it simply
> because I wanted to (aren't buying things make one feels good sometime?)
> and I have no problem for spending hours and days on playing with the new
> gear or toy or solving all the puzzles. In fact, I enjoy it.
>
> Now, when it comes to a business decision especially for a serious one. I
> tend to go over a set of seriously defined evaluation criterions and to
> suppress my personal preferences to the minimum degree. And try to
> eliminate all unnecessary steps that will not help any productivity. Why?
> If I don't do that, how can our company save unnecessary costs and/or
> generate additional revenues for - taking care of employees and
> stakeholders, a simple fact everyone can understand, right? In simple
> words, it's all about return on investment whilst it's not something
> always in my personal life.
>
> The problem with Windows is that, fortunately and unfortunately, it is
> widely used by both consumer and serious business entities. And it's not
> too difficult to see where are the potential conflicts, right?
>
> Some people criticized it (myself included) because we wish the product
> can better serve in a business environment more than just in our living
> room or as my new toy (PS: I can buy new toys only when our company is
> growing and making profits). Others don't go over the same evaluation
> criterions (and rightfully, no everyone has to) may not understand why and
> how the criticisms were derived. In this case, you are the only one
> matters. As long as you are happy, that is GREAT!!!
>
> As almost everything else in the world, it's not a black or white, 0 or 1,
> on or off kind of thing; it's how people are going to use the product, and
> either side is legitimate for their feedback and opinions, and they should
> be equally treated and collected by the company for how to further improve
> the product to better meet both sides' needs and demands.
>
> So instead of throwing in insults and flames, why don't we ask, what is
> the primary purpose for the product (in this case, Vista and can be
> anything else too) that we are going to use and also consider and respect
> other's perspectives.
>
> There is one thing that I don't quite understand after reading this
> newsgroup for more than a year, and that is, What is going to hurt the
> company by asking or demanding it to work even harder and to come out a
> even better product? It seems to me that many people think it's a BAD
> thing to do, why?
>
>
> "roraniel" wrote in message
> news:ECBE4D57-F19B-41EE-8BB8-35562A49C33D@microsoft.com...
>>I like Vista!
>>
>> After reading about the horrors of Vista for over a year I decided to
>> take
>> the plunge anyway and upgrade. I have a stock Dell Inspiron 640m laptop
>> with
>> 1.6GHz Dual Core Processor and 1G of memory that is labeled "Designed for
>> Windows XP. Windows Vista Capable."
>>
>> I did a lot of research on drivers and downloaded a couple that needed to
>> be
>> updated. I also backed up all my data and did a clean install on a
>> freshly
>> formated hard drive. The install went smooth.
>>
>> I upgraded to Vista Ultimate and I like it! It runs smooth, the graphics
>> are
>> awesome, and the sidebar has some useful tools. I also migrated to a dock
>> program called RocketDock which makes my desktop very clean looking. The
>> only
>> thing I do not like is the UAC but I downloaded TweakUAC and life is
>> good.
>>
>> I have not had one single issue, crash, or conflict. I was worried about
>> MS
>> Office 2003 but that runs flawlessly as well.
>>
>> Why do people have so many issues? Is it improper install? I do not
>> understand!
>
>
date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:24:57 -0700
author: xfile
Re: I must be the only one
"the granter of sina" wrote in message
news:48eebdb6@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> its strange though.. I have spoken to many tech savvy people that started
> out using windows since 3.1 (me included)
> they never said anything bad about new versions of windows, in fact they
> were eager to use the new stuff, with the exceptions
> of windows ME and Vista,
ME, IMHO, was a flop because it was rushed. I have come across references
to "Windows 2000 Home". I think they may have tried with 2000 what they
eventually did with XP, but it didn't work. They scrambled to update 98
with some of the features Win2KHome was to have, but the transplant was
rejected.
It seems to me that with Vista, MS is trying to cure a multitude of past
sins, and it is possible that they're trying to do to much too quick. On
the whole, I am pleased with it. There are issues that still need to be
resolved, and I look forward to their resolution in either VistaSP2 or Win7.
> People that love technology welcome change and learning, its what keeps
> them going. But they hate stupidity. And vista is full of it.
> I have just gotten use to the crap and am ignoring it, but I know its
> there. Yes vista is full of crap.
I wouldn't say full. There are issues. There are things that, to me, work
better in Vista than in XP. Windows Movie Maker in Vista works much more
logically, and it is simple to combine clips and even burn DVDs from them.
I don't care for AERO, but I don't use the default "Bliss" theme in XP
either; it's always seemed to me to be cartoonish. Vista has the "Windows
Classic" theme as well.
> Transitions where kernel is changed like from 3.x to 95 or from 9x to NT
> are big steps and everyone should understand that there will be problems.
> Going from version 5.2 to 6 on the same NT kernel (windows server 2003 to
> vista)
But is it the same kernel? A major number change, to me, would indicate
otherwise.
> is NOT a good enough excuse to destroy compatibility that much. Vista
> should be able to use 99.99% of the drivers out there, just like XP could
> use windows 2000 drivers.
That has not been my experience. Many 2000 drivers will work in XP, but not
near 99.99% of them. Printers are more forgiving, video isn't.
> If you disagree I hope Windows7 breaks all compatibility with all your
> current hardware and you will have to buy new ones if you want to upgrade!
> lol. Lets see if you will like THAT!
I'm sorry you feel that way. I bear *you* no personal malice, so I don't
understand where that comes from.
>> thinking behind MS's "Mojave Project", showing people that never used
>> Vista that it wasn't as bad as everyone said.
>
> That was a big propaganda thing that seems that you fell for.
Oh, I'm sure there were clips they didn't show where people didn't like it.
But everyone I have shown Vista to has had the same reaction as those on the
clips they did show. Several have purchased new machines and are pleased
with it.
> They gave preinstalled computers that were made sure to be vista ready,
> all drivers checked and installed and software that is sure to work with
> vista. They just sat in front of a computer and used it. This is not real
> testing.. real testing involves installations of software and hardware.
And I had problems with 95 until I built a machine that met specs. It's
unrealistic to assume that every new OS is going to run on every existing
machine flawlessly. 2000 crawls on at least 2 "Designed for 98" machines
that I have the misfortune to support.
> When you go to a net café I donât think you have a global view of the OS,
I don't go to those.
> only when you need to install programs hardware and the OS itself
> on multiple computers do you gain an understanding. I have done just that,
> and boy vista is full of problems!!
I'm not saying it's without problems, just that it doesn't have as many as
the "nay-sayers" would have everyone believe. In my experience XP had
similar issues with the first version. Just as there are "Administrator
privelege" issues with Vista, there were a lot of file/folder permission
issues when going from 98 to 2000. I still have an application that
requires tweaking to run on less-than-administrator priveleges, and it's
written for XP. Some programmers have still yet to learn how to get by
without full admin privelages. It can be done, if they'll just take the
time.
>
> I'm using Windows Live OneCare for malware protection. I don't like
>> the amount of memory it uses; I hope they can reduce this in a future
>> version.
>
> Very bad choice. Buy some more ram because IT WILL ONLY GET FATTER!
It may very well. So far I am pleased with it's level of protection. It
has caught several things that Norton and others missed (and still miss).
If, when my subscription is up, I find it to be unsatisfactory, I'll move on
to something else. I've used Norton, AVG, and others, LOC probably won't be
the last one I try.
Ferd
date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:42:42 -0500
author: Ferd Burfel
Re: I must be the only one
"+Bob+" wrote in message
news:cobve41d1lrrf0t29jn54s6uqivf3itl2s@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:44 -0600, "LesleyO "
> wrote:
>
>>I'm retired and on the computer about five hours daily, at least; it's one
>>of my favourite 'toys'. As for use, I am consistently editing images using
>>PaintShopPro. I am the production editor of a 44-page quarterly
>>publication,
>>using Adobe InDesign. There are all sorts of downloads on my desktop (and
>>on
>>my laptop) that I've installed myself. My desktop system is on 24/7 and
>>yes,
>>I allow automatic updates from both Microsoft and Symantec (running NIS,
>>also with no problems). My other security software programs are AdAware
>>and
>>SpyBot S&D.
>
> So you're a home user who plays on a computer for amusement. Try using
> Vista in a serious business environment. You'll sing a different tune.
There's no end to your excuses! I seem to remember the same sort of nonsense
when we at the office (government, where I again was a the computer a great
deal of the time - as a manager, not a secretary) were concerned with the
arrival of Win98. So? Any office environment will have teething problems
with any new system. Nothing unusual there. It doesn't of necessity mean the
OS is no good.
And if you have to spend the amount of time I do working on the quarterly,
or being the computer savvy person at our condo board, you wouldn't call it
playing, either. Just because I have put in my *paid* 9 to 5 time doesn't
mean I'm "playing", nor does is for anyone who is retired and doing
volunteer work.
Lesley
date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:40:45 -0600
author: LesleyO
Re: I must be the only one
LesleyO wrote:
>
> "+Bob+" wrote in message
> news:cobve41d1lrrf0t29jn54s6uqivf3itl2s@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:44 -0600, "LesleyO "
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm retired and on the computer about five hours daily, at least;
>>> it's one
>>> of my favourite 'toys'. As for use, I am consistently editing images
>>> using
>>> PaintShopPro. I am the production editor of a 44-page quarterly
>>> publication,
>>> using Adobe InDesign. There are all sorts of downloads on my desktop
>>> (and on
>>> my laptop) that I've installed myself. My desktop system is on 24/7
>>> and yes,
>>> I allow automatic updates from both Microsoft and Symantec (running NIS,
>>> also with no problems). My other security software programs are
>>> AdAware and
>>> SpyBot S&D.
>>
>> So you're a home user who plays on a computer for amusement. Try using
>> Vista in a serious business environment. You'll sing a different tune.
>
> There's no end to your excuses! I seem to remember the same sort of
> nonsense when we at the office (government, where I again was a the
> computer a great deal of the time - as a manager, not a secretary) were
> concerned with the arrival of Win98. So? Any office environment will
> have teething problems with any new system. Nothing unusual there. It
> doesn't of necessity mean the OS is no good.
>
> And if you have to spend the amount of time I do working on the
> quarterly, or being the computer savvy person at our condo board, you
> wouldn't call it playing, either. Just because I have put in my *paid* 9
> to 5 time doesn't mean I'm "playing", nor does is for anyone who is
> retired and doing volunteer work.
You tell him. He's got a lot of nerve, and he thinks he has his finger
on the pulse of IT around the world business and home-user wise. He
needs to find-out how to use Vista first, because he can't even do that.
That's why I call him -bob_minus, because he is always on the negative.
He talked about XP like a dog too in another NG as that was his focal
point at the time.
He thinks he is an IT Moses running around here. You'll do good to just
ignore him, as you'll just get more of the same as he tries to put you down.
date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:02:45 -0400
author: Paul MontGumDropped Paul @MontGumDropped.com
Re: I must be the only one
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:44:12 -0600, "LesleyO "
wrote:
>
>"+Bob+" wrote in message
>news:cobve41d1lrrf0t29jn54s6uqivf3itl2s@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:44 -0600, "LesleyO "
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm retired and on the computer about five hours daily, at least; it's one
>>>of my favourite 'toys'. As for use, I am consistently editing images using
>>>PaintShopPro. I am the production editor of a 44-page quarterly
>>>publication,
>>>using Adobe InDesign. There are all sorts of downloads on my desktop (and
>>>on
>>>my laptop) that I've installed myself. My desktop system is on 24/7 and
>>>yes,
>>>I allow automatic updates from both Microsoft and Symantec (running NIS,
>>>also with no problems). My other security software programs are AdAware
>>>and
>>>SpyBot S&D.
>>
>> So you're a home user who plays on a computer for amusement. Try using
>> Vista in a serious business environment. You'll sing a different tune.
>>
>PS: I doubt that every single individual here who is putting down Vista is
>*only* using it in a business setting. Another generalization.
>Lesley
You fiddle around helping old ladies at your condo and show your
computer "smarts" downloading pictures to your desktop and then "edit"
them with a Photoshop knock off application. You are EXACTLY what I
would consider some guy PLAYING with his computer. You said yourself
you view your computer as your favorite toy. You then brag your PC is
on 24/7 as if that is suppose to mean something. Well, my toaster is
plugged in 24/7 too, so I guess that makes me a world class chef. ;-)
date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:17:54 -0500
author: Ringmaster
Re: I must be the only one
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:02:45 -0400, Paul MontGumDropped <"Paul
"@MontGumDropped.com> wrote:
>LesleyO wrote:
>>
>> "+Bob+" wrote in message
>> news:cobve41d1lrrf0t29jn54s6uqivf3itl2s@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:44 -0600, "LesleyO "
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm retired and on the computer about five hours daily, at least;
>>>> it's one
>>>> of my favourite 'toys'. As for use, I am consistently editing images
>>>> using
>>>> PaintShopPro. I am the production editor of a 44-page quarterly
>>>> publication,
>>>> using Adobe InDesign. There are all sorts of downloads on my desktop
>>>> (and on
>>>> my laptop) that I've installed myself. My desktop system is on 24/7
>>>> and yes,
>>>> I allow automatic updates from both Microsoft and Symantec (running NIS,
>>>> also with no problems). My other security software programs are
>>>> AdAware and
>>>> SpyBot S&D.
>>>
>>> So you're a home user who plays on a computer for amusement. Try using
>>> Vista in a serious business environment. You'll sing a different tune.
>>
>> There's no end to your excuses! I seem to remember the same sort of
>> nonsense when we at the office (government, where I again was a the
>> computer a great deal of the time - as a manager, not a secretary) were
>> concerned with the arrival of Win98. So? Any office environment will
>> have teething problems with any new system. Nothing unusual there. It
>> doesn't of necessity mean the OS is no good.
>>
>> And if you have to spend the amount of time I do working on the
>> quarterly, or being the computer savvy person at our condo board, you
>> wouldn't call it playing, either. Just because I have put in my *paid* 9
>> to 5 time doesn't mean I'm "playing", nor does is for anyone who is
>> retired and doing volunteer work.
>
>You tell him. He's got a lot of nerve, and he thinks he has his finger
>on the pulse of IT around the world business and home-user wise. He
>needs to find-out how to use Vista first, because he can't even do that.
>
>That's why I call him -bob_minus, because he is always on the negative.
>He talked about XP like a dog too in another NG as that was his focal
>point at the time.
>
>He thinks he is an IT Moses running around here. You'll do good to just
>ignore him, as you'll just get more of the same as he tries to put you down.
Another fools flaps his gums. I don't post to any XP group and never
have. I keep telling you guys I amuse myself watching the clowns post
here making fools of themselves. Hey, just a hobby.
date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:22:14 -0500
author: Ringmaster
Re: I must be the only one
Ringmaster wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:45:04 -0400, Paul MontGumDropped <"Paul
> "@MontGumDropped.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Ringmaster wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:02:45 -0400, Paul MontGumDropped <"Paul
>>>"@MontGumDropped.com> wrote:
>>
>><snipped>
>>
>>Your juck is not read.
>>
>>Why don't you stop kissing the *clown's* behind? But wait he is another
>>*clown* like you, another negative Moses in the NG. So what's the
>>difference?
>
>
> You can always tell how big an ass somebody is if they begin by first
> needing to snip everything the other guy said. Yeah you dummy.
You can always tell how big an ass somebody is by the length of their
useless, worthless rant that is nothing more than an ignorant, stupid
diatribe.
By far, you ringbastard, are the winner.
date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:03:55 -0700
author: Frank
Re: I must be the only one
"Ringmaster" wrote in message
news:9a91f4lbb0t7ea9btrj5mo1ls7ljffeep6@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:44:12 -0600, "LesleyO "
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"+Bob+" wrote in message
>>news:cobve41d1lrrf0t29jn54s6uqivf3itl2s@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:44 -0600, "LesleyO "
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm retired and on the computer about five hours daily, at least; it's
>>>>one
>>>>of my favourite 'toys'. As for use, I am consistently editing images
>>>>using
>>>>PaintShopPro. I am the production editor of a 44-page quarterly
>>>>publication,
>>>>using Adobe InDesign. There are all sorts of downloads on my desktop
>>>>(and
>>>>on
>>>>my laptop) that I've installed myself. My desktop system is on 24/7 and
>>>>yes,
>>>>I allow automatic updates from both Microsoft and Symantec (running NIS,
>>>>also with no problems). My other security software programs are AdAware
>>>>and
>>>>SpyBot S&D.
>>>
>>> So you're a home user who plays on a computer for amusement. Try using
>>> Vista in a serious business environment. You'll sing a different tune.
>>>
>>PS: I doubt that every single individual here who is putting down Vista is
>>*only* using it in a business setting. Another generalization.
>>Lesley
>
> You fiddle around helping old ladies at your condo and show your
> computer "smarts" downloading pictures to your desktop and then "edit"
> them with a Photoshop knock off application. You are EXACTLY what I
> would consider some guy PLAYING with his computer. You said yourself
> you view your computer as your favorite toy. You then brag your PC is
> on 24/7 as if that is suppose to mean something. Well, my toaster is
> plugged in 24/7 too, so I guess that makes me a world class chef. ;-)
Well aren't you just the greatest troll in the world! (Not.)
For your information, I myself am a 66-year-old woman, and laughed at the
nonsense about "helping old ladies" as I am likely one of the older ones in
this 156-unit complex; most owners are young families. I'm certainly not a
"guy." As for playing, that's what people are supposed to do when they
retire. My entire life is play, including doing my volunteer work, which I'd
not be doing if I didn't enjoy it. Even when I was working full time in
management, I loved what I was doing and had fun doing it.
It seems you've not grown up enough to understand any of the above; for that
reason I feel sorry for you. I know you are here just to aggravate others,
and it's sad if that's the only pleasure you get in your own life.
Lesley
date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:32:23 -0600
author: LesleyO
Re: I must be the only one
"LesleyO " wrote in message
news:eTvhZj%23KJHA.2164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Ringmaster" wrote in message
> news:9a91f4lbb0t7ea9btrj5mo1ls7ljffeep6@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:44:12 -0600, "LesleyO "
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"+Bob+" wrote in message
>>>news:cobve41d1lrrf0t29jn54s6uqivf3itl2s@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:50:44 -0600, "LesleyO "
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm retired and on the computer about five hours daily, at least; it's
>>>>>one
>>>>>of my favourite 'toys'. As for use, I am consistently editing images
>>>>>using
>>>>>PaintShopPro. I am the production editor of a 44-page quarterly
>>>>>publication,
>>>>>using Adobe InDesign. There are all sorts of downloads on my desktop
>>>>>(and
>>>>>on
>>>>>my laptop) that I've installed myself. My desktop system is on 24/7 and
>>>>>yes,
>>>>>I allow automatic updates from both Microsoft and Symantec (running
>>>>>NIS,
>>>>>also with no problems). My other security software programs are AdAware
>>>>>and
>>>>>SpyBot S&D.
>>>>
>>>> So you're a home user who plays on a computer for amusement. Try using
>>>> Vista in a serious business environment. You'll sing a different tune.
>>>>
>>>PS: I doubt that every single individual here who is putting down Vista
>>>is
>>>*only* using it in a business setting. Another generalization.
>>>Lesley
>>
>> You fiddle around helping old ladies at your condo and show your
>> computer "smarts" downloading pictures to your desktop and then "edit"
>> them with a Photoshop knock off application. You are EXACTLY what I
>> would consider some guy PLAYING with his computer. You said yourself
>> you view your computer as your favorite toy. You then brag your PC is
>> on 24/7 as if that is suppose to mean something. Well, my toaster is
>> plugged in 24/7 too, so I guess that makes me a world class chef. ;-)
>
> Well aren't you just the greatest troll in the world! (Not.)
>
> For your information, I myself am a 66-year-old woman, and laughed at the
> nonsense about "helping old ladies" as I am likely one of the older ones
> in this 156-unit complex; most owners are young families. I'm certainly
> not a "guy." As for playing, that's what people are supposed to do when
> they retire. My entire life is play, including doing my volunteer work,
> which I'd not be doing if I didn't enjoy it. Even when I was working full
> time in management, I loved what I was doing and had fun doing it.
>
> It seems you've not grown up enough to understand any of the above; for
> that reason I feel sorry for you. I know you are here just to aggravate
> others, and it's sad if that's the only pleasure you get in your own life.
>
> Lesley
>
>
>
Nicely said.
Much nicer than I would have said it.
You have a keen eye for character.
--
Ens causa sui
Fit caedes omnibus locis
date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:37:30 -0400
author: D. Eth
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