I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
something useful?

You'll need to contact the manufacturer of your laptop and see
if they have Windows XP drivers available for your laptop's
hardware.  If they do, then you need to purchase a full version
of Windows XP, reformat your hard drive, install Windows XP,
then install the laptop manufacturer's Windows XP drivers.

-- 
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience

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"nemo"  wrote in message news:9cb4740e-bce7-479a-bba4-31028c860ce9@e17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
something useful?

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:42:30 -0700 (PDT), nemo 
wrote:

> I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
> a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> something useful?


Bear in mind that to do that, you need XP drivers for your hardware.
Particularly with a laptop, they are very often not available. Before
trying to do this, check with its manufacturer to find out if the
drivers exist.

Assuming that they exist, how do you get a copy of XP for *this*
machine. The same way you get one for any machine. You buy one. Yes,
you can still buy it.

Also note that downgrading is not possible. If you install XP, you
have to install it cleanly, losing everything that's on the machine.

-- 
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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"nemo"  wrote in message 
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>I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
> a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> something useful?

Since the Vista Home Premium license does not provide for downgrade 
rights like the Vista Business and Ultimate licenses do, you'll have to 
purchase a copy of XP (if you can find one).  But first, you need to 
make sure the laptop manufacturer has XP drivers available for your 
model, otherwise you are out of luck entirely.

-- 
Zaphod

Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's something 
big and sinister going on in the world.
Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the 
universe gets that.

"nemo"  wrote in message 
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>I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
> a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> something useful?

You may well be looking for trouble if you try to change operating systems. 
In my limited experience, computers are designed around an operating system 
(not the other way around).  Note that if you do instal XP, your warranty 
might be voided.

Please tell us in detail why you are "not impressed" with Vista and how it 
gets in the way of your work.

I've actually come to like Vista (on machines with enough resources to run 
it). There are a lot of tweeks on Vista to customize it.

Get back to us.

"its_my_dime"  wrote in message 
news:OhxT7phKJHA.4324@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "nemo"  wrote in message 
> news:9cb4740e-bce7-479a-bba4-31028c860ce9@e17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
>> impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
>> a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
>> something useful?
>
> You may well be looking for trouble if you try to change operating 
> systems. In my limited experience, computers are designed around an 
> operating system (not the other way around).  Note that if you do instal 
> XP, your warranty might be voided.
>
> Please tell us in detail why you are "not impressed" with Vista and how it 
> gets in the way of your work.
>
> I've actually come to like Vista (on machines with enough resources to run 
> it). There are a lot of tweeks on Vista to customize it.
>
> Get back to us.
>
>
>


Your hardware warranty will not be void.
That is an insane myth that just won't go away.

They will only "support" the OS that was pre-installed.
If you buy a PC with Vista on it...they won't answer XP problems.

-- 
Ens causa sui
Fit caedes omnibus locis

You'll need to actually buy a retail copy of XP. However, having said that I 
would contact the PC manufacturer's technical support to make sure that XP 
drivers are available for 'all' the hardware on your PC. It is pointless 
wasting more money on XP (assuming you can get a copy) if there are no XP 
drivers for your hardware. Better to find out first before spending any more 
cash.

-- 

-- 
John Barnett MVP
Windows XP Associate Expert
Windows Desktop Experience

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"nemo"  wrote in message 
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> I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
> a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> something useful?

nemo wrote:
> I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
> a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> something useful?

Take the lap top back and get your money back. Then get a laptop from 
someone like Dell that offers XP.

Alias

On Oct 9, 11:15 am, Alias  wrote:
> nemo wrote:
> > I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> > impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
> > a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> > something useful?
>
> Take the lap top back and get your money back. Then get a laptop from
> someone like Dell that offers XP.

Dell doesn't offer XP any more.  I was about to buy a Dell laptop a
couple of months ago and they said they would not be selling XP after
two days.  He described what a zoo it was there with all the ordering
going on and the long lead times so I decided to opt out of a Dell.
Besides, I got a lot more laptop in a 17" Toshiba at a much lower
price.

Now, to get XP from Dell you have to buy Vista Premium which cost an
extra hundred bucks more!

At this point I am thinking of finding a friend who has an OEM copy of
XP.  Then MS will have already gotten their money from me for running
their OS on this machine and I will get what I want.

If you don't have the time to learn Vista, then you might be better off 
selling your Vista machine and buying an XP machine on Ebay. Putting XP on a 
machine that was designed for Vista may cause more problems than you have now.
-- 
oscar :) 

...Right click is your very good friend...


"nemo" wrote:

> On Oct 9, 11:15 am, Alias  wrote:
> > nemo wrote:
> > > I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> > > impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
> > > a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> > > something useful?
> >
> > Take the lap top back and get your money back. Then get a laptop from
> > someone like Dell that offers XP.
> 
> Dell doesn't offer XP any more.  I was about to buy a Dell laptop a
> couple of months ago and they said they would not be selling XP after
> two days.  He described what a zoo it was there with all the ordering
> going on and the long lead times so I decided to opt out of a Dell.
> Besides, I got a lot more laptop in a 17" Toshiba at a much lower
> price.
> 
> Now, to get XP from Dell you have to buy Vista Premium which cost an
> extra hundred bucks more!
> 
> At this point I am thinking of finding a friend who has an OEM copy of
> XP.  Then MS will have already gotten their money from me for running
> their OS on this machine and I will get what I want.
>

You can still buy them here(Canada) at most stores like Office Depot,Wall Mart. Also I was over in Albany NY yesterday and it was also available at the same stores as here. Most probably same at your location.



-- 
Peter

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"nemo"  wrote in message news:9cb4740e-bce7-479a-bba4-31028c860ce9@e17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...>I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
> a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> something useful?

nemo wrote:
> On Oct 9, 11:15 am, Alias  wrote:
>> nemo wrote:
>>> I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
>>> impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
>>> a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
>>> something useful?
>> Take the lap top back and get your money back. Then get a laptop from
>> someone like Dell that offers XP.
> 
> Dell doesn't offer XP any more.  

But HP does on their business models.  I still purchase them with XP pro 
preinstalled on them.  Can you still take it back?

> I was about to buy a Dell laptop a
> couple of months ago and they said they would not be selling XP after
> two days.  He described what a zoo it was there with all the ordering
> going on and the long lead times so I decided to opt out of a Dell.
> Besides, I got a lot more laptop in a 17" Toshiba at a much lower
> price.
> 
> Now, to get XP from Dell you have to buy Vista Premium which cost an
> extra hundred bucks more!
> 
> At this point I am thinking of finding a friend who has an OEM copy of
> XP.  Then MS will have already gotten their money from me for running
> their OS on this machine and I will get what I want.

This might be your best option at this point if you can't take it back 
anymore.  Make sure that the laptop is compatible with XP first though.

-- 
"...every non-modular OS SUCKS...Speaking for myself only."
- zachd [MSFT]

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

"nemo"  wrote in message 
news:9cb4740e-bce7-479a-bba4-31028c860ce9@e17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I get
> a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> something useful?

Idiot.  Gets in the way means you want to learn nothing new.  Is this a new 
OS?  What is wrong with your brain?

Telstar;857033 Wrote: 
> "nemo" <gnuarm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:9cb4740e-bce7-479a-bba4-31028c860ce9@xxxxxx> > > 
> > >I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
> > > impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I
> > get
> > > a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
> > > something useful? > > Idiot.  Gets in the way means you want to learn nothing new.  Is this
> a new
> OS?  What is wrong with your brain?


Yeah I wish I could come up with an amazing plan to get people to
understand that Vista is the OS of your dreams. (almost lol)

Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
XP? I urge you to reconsider switching back like I ask everyone because
there really is nothing wrong with Vista. 90% of the layout is the same
and with about 25 minutes of practice you will become a Vista pro or at
least know as much as you did about XP :)

It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.

I don't blame you, but I blame all the negitive press Microsoft got
about Vista and some of it was there fault, but now with SP1 out there
is nothing wrong with it that should make you go through the hassel of
buying Xp and finding the drivers for your computer.


-- 
Adamd

"Adamd"  wrote in message 
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>
> Telstar;857033 Wrote:
>> "nemo" <gnuarm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:9cb4740e-bce7-479a-bba4-31028c860ce9@xxxxxx> > >
>> > >I bought a laptop that came with Vista Home Premium.  I'm not
>> > > impressed and it really gets in the way with my work.  So how do I
>> > get
>> > > a copy of XP to put on this machine?  How do I "downgrade" to
>> > > something useful? > > Idiot.  Gets in the way means you want to learn 
>> > > nothing new.  Is this
>> a new
>> OS?  What is wrong with your brain?
>
>
> Yeah I wish I could come up with an amazing plan to get people to
> understand that Vista is the OS of your dreams. (almost lol)
>
> Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
> XP? I urge you to reconsider switching back like I ask everyone because
> there really is nothing wrong with Vista. 90% of the layout is the same
> and with about 25 minutes of practice you will become a Vista pro or at
> least know as much as you did about XP :)
>
> It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
> programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.
>
> I don't blame you, but I blame all the negitive press Microsoft got
> about Vista and some of it was there fault, but now with SP1 out there
> is nothing wrong with it that should make you go through the hassel of
> buying Xp and finding the drivers for your computer.
>
>
> -- 
> Adamd

Many people think that Vista is bad because Vista supporters often can't 
spell good, in spite of a spelling checker being included.  The drivers that 
I got with my Dell also work under XP, all of them.

Cheers,

Earle

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:21:15 -0500, Adamd 
wrote:

>Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
>XP?

Because it's full of major and minor bugs, has half the performance,
and many interface de-provements (that would be the opposite of an
improvement).

>It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
>programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.

Take any piece of hardware running XP. Run some speed tests. Install
Vista. Run them again. Case closed - and we haven't even gotten to the
feature issues and bugs.

+Bob+ wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:21:15 -0500, Adamd 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
>>XP?
> 
> 
> Because it's full of major and minor bugs, has half the performance,
> and many interface de-provements (that would be the opposite of an
> improvement).
> 
> 
>>It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
>>programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.
> 
> 
> Take any piece of hardware running XP. Run some speed tests. Install
> Vista. Run them again. Case closed - and we haven't even gotten to the
> feature issues and bugs. 
> 
"Bullshit bob" rides again!

"+Bob+"  wrote in message 
news:u8bve41b92oroar90sml18t45ngrp727b5@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:21:15 -0500, Adamd 
> wrote:
>
>>Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
>>XP?
>
> Because it's full of major and minor bugs, has half the performance,
> and many interface de-provements (that would be the opposite of an
> improvement).

All completely wrong statements pretending to be facts.
>
>>It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
>>programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.
>
> Take any piece of hardware running XP. Run some speed tests. Install
> Vista. Run them again. Case closed - and we haven't even gotten to the
> feature issues and bugs.
>

That is because you have no brain.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:32:55 -0700, "Telstar" <none@none> wrote:

>
>"+Bob+"  wrote in message 
>news:u8bve41b92oroar90sml18t45ngrp727b5@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:21:15 -0500, Adamd 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
>>>XP?
>>
>> Because it's full of major and minor bugs, has half the performance,
>> and many interface de-provements (that would be the opposite of an
>> improvement).
>
>All completely wrong statements pretending to be facts.

Which fact are you questioning? Please be specific so I can prove you
wrong point by point. 

>>>It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
>>>programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.
>>
>> Take any piece of hardware running XP. Run some speed tests. Install
>> Vista. Run them again. Case closed - and we haven't even gotten to the
>> feature issues and bugs.
>>
>
>That is because you have no brain.

Another personal insult from a Vista fan-boy... typically posted
because they lack any facts to back up their ass-ertions.

+Bob+ wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:32:55 -0700, "Telstar" <none@none> wrote:
> 
> 
>>"+Bob+"  wrote in message 
>>news:u8bve41b92oroar90sml18t45ngrp727b5@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:21:15 -0500, Adamd 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
>>>>XP?
>>>
>>>Because it's full of major and minor bugs, has half the performance,
>>>and many interface de-provements (that would be the opposite of an
>>>improvement).
>>
>>All completely wrong statements pretending to be facts.
> 
> 
> Which fact are you questioning? Please be specific so I can prove you
> wrong point by point. 
> 
> 
>>>>It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
>>>>programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.
>>>
>>>Take any piece of hardware running XP. Run some speed tests. Install
>>>Vista. Run them again. Case closed - and we haven't even gotten to the
>>>feature issues and bugs.
>>>
>>
>>That is because you have no brain.
> 
> 
> Another personal insult from a Vista fan-boy... typically posted
> because they lack any facts to back up their ass-ertions.


"Bullshit bob', rides again.

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:48:23 -0700, Frank  wrote:

>>>That is because you have no brain.
>> 
>> 
>> Another personal insult from a Vista fan-boy... typically posted
>> because they lack any facts to back up their ass-ertions.
>
>
>"Bullshit bob', rides again.

And Frank comes back with another, hard hitting, factual analysis to
back up his arguments. 

Oh... wait... Frank never even takes any positions on Vista specifics,
he just posts lame attacks on anyone who doesn't worship it. I guess
he doesn't need facts since he never says anything that needs support.

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:48:23 -0700, Frank  wrote:

>+Bob+ wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:32:55 -0700, "Telstar" <none@none> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>"+Bob+"  wrote in message 
>>>news:u8bve41b92oroar90sml18t45ngrp727b5@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:21:15 -0500, Adamd 
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
>>>>>XP?
>>>>
>>>>Because it's full of major and minor bugs, has half the performance,
>>>>and many interface de-provements (that would be the opposite of an
>>>>improvement).
>>>
>>>All completely wrong statements pretending to be facts.
>> 
>> 
>> Which fact are you questioning? Please be specific so I can prove you
>> wrong point by point. 
>> 
>> 
>>>>>It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
>>>>>programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.
>>>>
>>>>Take any piece of hardware running XP. Run some speed tests. Install
>>>>Vista. Run them again. Case closed - and we haven't even gotten to the
>>>>feature issues and bugs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>That is because you have no brain.
>> 
>> 
>> Another personal insult from a Vista fan-boy... typically posted
>> because they lack any facts to back up their ass-ertions.
>
>
>"Bullshit bob', rides again.

In the last year you've made thousands of posts. Post one that had any
facts. You can't. You just bluster, lie and scream obscenities and
engage in name calling. You just did it again.

Ringmaster wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:48:23 -0700, Frank  wrote:
> 
> 
>>+Bob+ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:32:55 -0700, "Telstar" <none@none> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"+Bob+"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:u8bve41b92oroar90sml18t45ngrp727b5@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:21:15 -0500, Adamd 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
>>>>>>XP?
>>>>>
>>>>>Because it's full of major and minor bugs, has half the performance,
>>>>>and many interface de-provements (that would be the opposite of an
>>>>>improvement).
>>>>
>>>>All completely wrong statements pretending to be facts.
>>>
>>>
>>>Which fact are you questioning? Please be specific so I can prove you
>>>wrong point by point. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
>>>>>>programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>>Take any piece of hardware running XP. Run some speed tests. Install
>>>>>Vista. Run them again. Case closed - and we haven't even gotten to the
>>>>>feature issues and bugs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That is because you have no brain.
>>>
>>>
>>>Another personal insult from a Vista fan-boy... typically posted
>>>because they lack any facts to back up their ass-ertions.
>>
>>
>>"Bullshit bob', rides again.
> 
> 
> In the last year you've made thousands of posts. Post one that had any
> facts. 

Oh that's easy. You are lying drunken PIG!

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:05:22 -0700, Frank  wrote:

>
>Ringmaster wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:48:23 -0700, Frank  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>+Bob+ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:32:55 -0700, "Telstar" <none@none> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"+Bob+"  wrote in message 
>>>>>news:u8bve41b92oroar90sml18t45ngrp727b5@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:21:15 -0500, Adamd 
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why do so many people say vista is bad and want to move back to crappy
>>>>>>>XP?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Because it's full of major and minor bugs, has half the performance,
>>>>>>and many interface de-provements (that would be the opposite of an
>>>>>>improvement).
>>>>>
>>>>>All completely wrong statements pretending to be facts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which fact are you questioning? Please be specific so I can prove you
>>>>wrong point by point. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>It would be shocking that you could truly show that XP runs your
>>>>>>>programs better or is just a better OS than Vista.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Take any piece of hardware running XP. Run some speed tests. Install
>>>>>>Vista. Run them again. Case closed - and we haven't even gotten to the
>>>>>>feature issues and bugs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That is because you have no brain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Another personal insult from a Vista fan-boy... typically posted
>>>>because they lack any facts to back up their ass-ertions.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bullshit bob', rides again.
>> 
>> 
>> In the last year you've made thousands of posts. Post one that had any
>> facts. 
>
>Oh that's easy. You are lying drunken PIG!

Say Frank, I heard the University of North Korea was experimenting
with transplanting rat brains into two legged monkeys like you. Why
not volunteer. You got nothing to lose and who knows, you could end up
almost human. The deal include all the bananas you can eat. Right up
your alley.

+Bob+ wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:48:23 -0700, Frank  wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>That is because you have no brain.
>>>
>>>
>>>Another personal insult from a Vista fan-boy... typically posted
>>>because they lack any facts to back up their ass-ertions.
>>
>>
>>"Bullshit bob', rides again.
> 
> 
> And Frank comes back with another, hard hitting, factual analysis to
> back up his arguments. 
> 
> Oh... wait... Frank never even takes any positions on Vista specifics,
> he just posts lame attacks on anyone who doesn't worship it. I guess
> he doesn't need facts since he never says anything that needs support.

You call your generalizations about past know issues, that have been 
resolved, "facts"?
Like I said, "bullshit bob", rides again!