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date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:28 +0300,    group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general        back       


about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.   
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1627

In the latest post on Microsoft's "Engineering Windows 7? blog, Microsoft 
officials acknowledge what everyone's been assuming: Microsoft is going to 
fine-tune the User Account Control (UAC) feature with Windows 7.

UAC, which debuted with Windows Vista, provides users with standard user 
rights, as opposed to uber administrative rights, by default. Microsoft 
argued that this change would help save users from themselves, so that they 
wouldn't accidentally modify system settings, disable antivirus software, 
etc. When UAC is turned on, users receive many, poorly explained 
notifications when the system believes they are engaging in "risky" 
behavior.

With Windows 7, Microsoft is not going to do away with UAC, according to the 
October 8 post by Ben Fathi, president for core OS development (and others 
on his team) on the E7 blog. But it is going to "address the customer 
feedback and satisfaction issues witht the (UAC) prompts themselves," Fathi 
blogged. He said with Windows 7 Microsoft has two overriding goals when it 
comes to UAC. From his post:

    "We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated. You find the 
prompts too frequent, annoying, and confusing. We still want to provide you 
control over what changes can happen to your system, but we want to provide 
you a better overall experience. We believe this can be achieved by focusing 
on two key principles. 1) Broaden the control you have over the UAC 
notifications. We will continue to give you control over the changes made to 
your system, but in Windows 7, we will also provide options such that when 
you use the system as an administrator you can determine the range of 
notifications that you receive. 2) Provide additional and more relevant 
information in the user interface. We will improve the dialog UI so that you 
can better understand and make more informed choices."

With Windows 7, Microsoft is endeavoring to reduce unneeded and duplicate 
prompts; to make prompts more informative; and to provide "better and more 
obvious control over the (UAC) mechanism," Fathi's blog post said.

Fathi said he's confident the revamped UAC system will be less hated than 
the original UAC lockdowns introduced with Windows Vista in the name of 
better security. More from his post:

    "We've already run new design concepts based on this principle through 
our in-house usability testing and we've seen very positive results. 83% of 
participants could provide specific details about why they were seeing the 
dialog. Participants preferred the new concepts because they are 'simple,' 
'highlight verified publishers,"provide the file origin,' and 'ask a 
meaningful question.'"

UAC seems to be one of the most hated features of Vista. (Just do a Web 
search for "how can I disable UAC" for unofficial proof of that contention.) 
From what Microsoft has shared so far, do you think the proposed UAC changes 
for Windows 7 go far enough to undo the damage to Vista's reputation  done 
by UAC to date?
date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:28 +0300   author:   the granter of sina

Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.   
I'm not bothered by UAC at all.  I have downloaded and installed the
free Program TweakUAC, which allows me to use "quiet mode" when I am
logged on as Administrator, which means almost all the UAC prompts are
bypassed, yet UAC is still operating so that my system is MUCH less
likely than XP to get compromised by viruses, trojans, spyware and other
malware.  Read about it here:

'What is TweakUAC?' (http://www.tweak-uac.com/what-is-tweak-uac/)

Some quotations from that page:

Switch UAC to the quiet mode 
This option does not turn off UAC; instead, it only makes UAC to
operate in the quiet mode. In the quiet mode, UAC does not display the
elevation prompts for the administrators. That is, when you attempt to
do an administrative task, you will be allowed to proceed automatically,
without prompting you to confirm the operation. All other features of
UAC would still be enabled: the programs will run with the standard user
permissions by default, and the standard users will still see the
elevation prompts (the quiet mode applies to the administrator accounts
only).

Note that if you turn UAC off or switch it to operate in the quiet
mode, Vista starts displaying a warning message in its taskbar. You can
turn that message off, though: double-click on the shield icon in the
taskbar to open Windows Security Center. Then click on the Change the
way Security Center alerts me link, in the left panel. Finally, choose
one of the Don’t notify me options.


-- 
LeeTutor

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date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:10:27 -0500   author:   LeeTutor

RE: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.   
Thank you for the informative note. As a home user of computers, with two 
Vista laptops, I personally found UAC pop-ups confusing and annoying. hey may 
be usefully to stop absolute beginnerss from making silly mistakes, but on 
the whole they just get in the way and slow down usage. The rest of Vista, 
from my standpoint, is simply a lot of tweaks and beautifications. It is 
smoother than XP once you get used to finding things all over again. 

"the granter of sina" wrote:

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1627
> 
> In the latest post on Microsoft's "Engineering Windows 7? blog, Microsoft 
> officials acknowledge what everyone's been assuming: Microsoft is going to 
> fine-tune the User Account Control (UAC) feature with Windows 7.
> 
> UAC, which debuted with Windows Vista, provides users with standard user 
> rights, as opposed to uber administrative rights, by default. Microsoft 
> argued that this change would help save users from themselves, so that they 
> wouldn't accidentally modify system settings, disable antivirus software, 
> etc. When UAC is turned on, users receive many, poorly explained 
> notifications when the system believes they are engaging in "risky" 
> behavior.
> 
> With Windows 7, Microsoft is not going to do away with UAC, according to the 
> October 8 post by Ben Fathi, president for core OS development (and others 
> on his team) on the E7 blog. But it is going to "address the customer 
> feedback and satisfaction issues witht the (UAC) prompts themselves," Fathi 
> blogged. He said with Windows 7 Microsoft has two overriding goals when it 
> comes to UAC. From his post:
> 
>     "We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated. You find the 
> prompts too frequent, annoying, and confusing. We still want to provide you 
> control over what changes can happen to your system, but we want to provide 
> you a better overall experience. We believe this can be achieved by focusing 
> on two key principles. 1) Broaden the control you have over the UAC 
> notifications. We will continue to give you control over the changes made to 
> your system, but in Windows 7, we will also provide options such that when 
> you use the system as an administrator you can determine the range of 
> notifications that you receive. 2) Provide additional and more relevant 
> information in the user interface. We will improve the dialog UI so that you 
> can better understand and make more informed choices."
> 
> With Windows 7, Microsoft is endeavoring to reduce unneeded and duplicate 
> prompts; to make prompts more informative; and to provide "better and more 
> obvious control over the (UAC) mechanism," Fathi's blog post said.
> 
> Fathi said he's confident the revamped UAC system will be less hated than 
> the original UAC lockdowns introduced with Windows Vista in the name of 
> better security. More from his post:
> 
>     "We've already run new design concepts based on this principle through 
> our in-house usability testing and we've seen very positive results. 83% of 
> participants could provide specific details about why they were seeing the 
> dialog. Participants preferred the new concepts because they are 'simple,' 
> 'highlight verified publishers,"provide the file origin,' and 'ask a 
> meaningful question.'"
> 
> UAC seems to be one of the most hated features of Vista. (Just do a Web 
> search for "how can I disable UAC" for unofficial proof of that contention.) 
> From what Microsoft has shared so far, do you think the proposed UAC changes 
> for Windows 7 go far enough to undo the damage to Vista's reputation  done 
> by UAC to date?
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>
date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:30:01 -0700   author:   Tonyo UK

Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.   
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:28 +0300, "the granter of sina"
 wrote:

>http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1627
>
>In the latest post on Microsoft's "Engineering Windows 7? blog, Microsoft 
>officials acknowledge what everyone's been assuming: Microsoft is going to 
>fine-tune the User Account Control (UAC) feature with Windows 7.

Just like I and many others predicted almost a year ago. 

Microsoft from the start knew UAC was a piece of crap and that it
pissed-off the vast majority of users, even many MVP faithful. Only
Rubes like fanboys liked it. Which proves again what total idiots they
are.
date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:24:42 -0500   author:   Ringmaster

Re: about UAC>> We've heard loud and clear that you are frustrated.   
can you state your opinion about the improvement of the new copy - move 
dialogues in vista compared to the older ones?

"D. Eth"  wrote in message news:gcmb02$5up$1@aioe.org...
> "+Bob+"  wrote in message 
> news:ibate4lq8ghoe5h0fp8eol2l060bfhbuuu@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:51:28 +0300, "the granter of sina"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> We will improve the dialog UI so that you
>>>can better understand and make more informed choices."
>>
>> Yeah, they'll probably "improve" them the same way Vista "improves"
>> the tried and true prompts when copying files from one directory to
>> another and finding duplicates. They'll take it from "clear and
>> concise" to "totally obfuscated and annoying"
>>
>
>
> Traffic signals must throw you thru a loop.
> What a putz2
>
> -- 
> Ens causa sui
> Fit caedes omnibus locis
date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:09:20 +0300   author:   the granter of sina

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