Hello, 

Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA 
will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64 
on the same computer? 

I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this, 
so thought I would try this NG. 

Computer is presently running Vista-32. 

What I really want to do is  _alternately_  run the 
two different OSs at different times, possibly even on 
the same day.  I have a reason for doing it this way.

Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the 
same machine with the same operator, me.

Tough question; think I really should ask someone at 
Microsoft, but do not know where to ask. 

Thanks all for your time reading this,

Mark-

On Sep 1, 10:27 pm, Mark Conrad <non...@urbusiness.invalid> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
> on the same computer?

You can legally run as many OSs on one computer as you've individually/
separately paid for.

The end user license agreement (EULA) only allows you to run one version of the operating system at a time. You may not dual boot 
both operating systems.

-- 
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...

Hello,

Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
on the same computer?

I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
so thought I would try this NG.

Computer is presently running Vista-32.

What I really want to do is  _alternately_  run the
two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
the same day.  I have a reason for doing it this way.

Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
same machine with the same operator, me.

Tough question; think I really should ask someone at
Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.

Thanks all for your time reading this,

Mark-

The way I read it you would have to buy two copies.  It sounds as if you 
have purchased a copy of Vista that comes with two media, one for 32-bit and 
one for 64-bit.  Buy another one just like that, or buy a license to install 
the same product a second time.  Then you could legally install both 
versions.

Earle

"Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message 
news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
> on the same computer?
>
> I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
> so thought I would try this NG.
>
> Computer is presently running Vista-32.
>
> What I really want to do is  _alternately_  run the
> two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
> the same day.  I have a reason for doing it this way.
>
> Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
> same machine with the same operator, me.
>
> Tough question; think I really should ask someone at
> Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.
>
> Thanks all for your time reading this,
>
> Mark-

Two product keys - means buying it twice.

SIW2


-- 
SIW2

Here's a little more info if you are thinking about running VM.
'Vista virtualization: The bigger picture | Ed Bott’s Microsoft
Report | ZDNet.com' (http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=360)


-- 
HÅrÐhęãÐ

Hi,

Your license is for a single installation to a device. This could be either 
32 or 64 bit, but not both simultaneously unless you have two licenses, even 
though you cannot physically use both at the same time. That would be the 
legal standpoint, technically it will work but you will likely have to phone 
in the second installation.

-- 
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message 
news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
> on the same computer?
>
> I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
> so thought I would try this NG.
>
> Computer is presently running Vista-32.
>
> What I really want to do is  _alternately_  run the
> two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
> the same day.  I have a reason for doing it this way.
>
> Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
> same machine with the same operator, me.
>
> Tough question; think I really should ask someone at
> Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.
>
> Thanks all for your time reading this,
>
> Mark-

In article ,
 "Carey Frisch  [MVP]"  wrote:

> You may not dual boot both operating systems.

Thanks, that nails it down.

I already have a 2nd Vista Ultimate retail boxed 
product that I bought about two months ago, but 
have never used yet.

Hope no one minds if I vent a little about that $MS 
policy, which seems a bit heavy handed to me.



In any case, will use my 2nd license, at least until 
I get a separate machine to run the 64-bit version on.

One more question, will it be much of a hassle to 
transfer my 64-bit license over to the new machine?

I hope not.

Until then, I plan to run both OSs on the same computer, 
which in my case involves temporarily kicking the 32-bit 
version off my one computer, then replacing it with 
the 64-bit version.  Takes slightly less than an hour.

Same time going the other way, from 64-bit to 32-bit.

32-bit version has a well trained Dragon medical app 
($1,400) - which took me about a month to train.

Only reason I am running the 64-bit OS is to gain 
practical experience with it, because some feel that 
64-bit OSs are reasonably close to displacing the 
present 32-bit OSs, in use at the present time.

Thanks everyone for the info,

Mark-

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> The end user license agreement (EULA) only allows you to run one version of the operating system at a time. You may not dual boot 
> both operating systems.
> 

Yep, Microsoft just loves to tell you how you *can't* use their 
software. Open Source, OTOH, tell you what you *can* do with your 
software. Microsoft's days are numbered. You better start learning Open 
Source, Carey, although there is no MVP status to gotten, sorry.

Alias

I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
with the same key. I also dual boot on my main computer with Vista
Ultimate 64-bit under a different key, although it did tell me when
activating my second machine that the product had already been
activated. I then had to activate the second over the phone with a
reason for using the key for a second time, I just said that I had done
a upgrade and it was still the same computer.

Microsoft does not ask for any personal details and it is totally
anonymous!

Hope this helps but it seems you already have a second copy, so I guess
it doesn't really matter anyway.


-- 
Mr GRiM

Hi,

Thought you were planning on dual booting.

You can get a second product key if you need to make a major change to
your system e.g. new motherboard, or if you need to change to a new
machine because your original one has given up the ghost - see the end
of this link for how to get the toll free number to call microsoft

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/84488-activate-vista-phone.html

You certainly need to ring for a new key with an OEM version, but I
have  heard of some people reinstalling  the Retail version on another
machine without having to call  - maybe they allow this extra install by
default in Retail versions - haven't done it myself, though.

It is possible to install and run it for a 30 day trial - believe you
can do this while skipping inserting the product key - this link
contains info. on how to skip inserting product key

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/68767-clean-install-upgrade-vista.html

You won't get Windows updates if you haven't inserted product key -
either don't connect to the net, or use third party security apps. ,
browser and mail client that will update themselves. Must stop using it
as a trial by 30 days  and  either remove it completely from the system
( reinstall the 32bit and  during the reinstall process format the
partition the trial o/s is on ) - or if you want to keep it on, insert
the prod. key. 

SIW2


-- 
SIW2

Sounds a bit naughty Mr Grim - still you have paid for two versions.

SIW2


-- 
SIW2

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:58:56 -0700, Mark Conrad
<noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote:

>In article ,
> "Carey Frisch  [MVP]"  wrote:
>
>> You may not dual boot both operating systems.
>
>Thanks, that nails it down.
>
>I already have a 2nd Vista Ultimate retail boxed 
>product that I bought about two months ago, but 
>have never used yet.

Which means that you have a different key for each version, right?

If so, dual boot to your heart's content.

Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote: 
> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
> with the same key.

So, in other words, youre a thief ?


-- 
wwoods

Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote: 
> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
> with the same key. I also dual boot on my main computer with Vista
> Ultimate 64-bit under a different key, although it did tell me when
> activating my second machine that the product had already been
> activated. I then had to activate the second over the phone with a
> reason for using the key for a second time, I just said that I had done
> a upgrade and it was still the same computer.
> 
> Microsoft does not ask for any personal details and it is totally
> anonymous!
> 
> .

So, in other words you lied and are a thief ?


-- 
wwoods

if you want to put it that way then i guess the answer is yes but I have
only stolen from myself and I hardly use home premium on my dual boot
system anyway. 

I could do away with it all together really and get some space back,
the only problem is that I installed home premium first and I don't
think I can remove it with out doing a total reinstall of Vista ultimate
as well, as the other is the primary boot drive. 

I have tried to remove the drive with home premium on it and the system
would not boot at all.
I thought I might be able to restore it using the the repair from the
OS disc but it would not work until i put the removed drive back in.


-- 
Mr GRiM

Alias wrote:
> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> 
>> The end user license agreement (EULA) only allows you to run one 
>> version of the operating system at a time. You may not dual boot both 
>> operating systems.
>>
> 
> Yep, Microsoft just loves to tell you how you *can't* use their 
> software.

I bet that really irritates a known and admitted thief like you.

  Open Source, OTOH, tell you what you *can* do with your
> software.

Nothing is the correct answer.

  Microsoft's days are numbered.

hehehe...they'll out live you and piss on your grave!

  You better start learning Open
> Source, Carey, although there is no MVP status to gotten, sorry.

"to gotten"...improper English but what can you expect from a GED?...LOL!

Alias wrote:

> wwoods wrote:
> 
>> Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote:
>>
>>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
>>> with the same key.
>>
>>
>> So, in other words, youre a thief ?
>>
>>
> 
> Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense. 
> Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the balls to 
> take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know if the EULA 
> is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part of Microsoft. They 
> would have to take someone to court in each and every country where 
> Microsoft products are sold.
> 
> Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces people 
> like you?
> 
> Alias

hehehe...nice dance coming from a known and admitted liar and thief!...LOL!

As long as you pay for each license you can, provided the license isn't
being used at the same time on a different computer. But let's say you
bought the retail version of Vista Ultimate, which comes with both the 32bit
and 64bit versions, you can only have one version installed at a time
because you only paid for one license.

"Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message 
news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
> on the same computer?
>
> I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
> so thought I would try this NG.
>
> Computer is presently running Vista-32.
>
> What I really want to do is  _alternately_  run the
> two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
> the same day.  I have a reason for doing it this way.
>
> Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
> same machine with the same operator, me.
>
> Tough question; think I really should ask someone at
> Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.
>
> Thanks all for your time reading this,
>
> Mark-

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
> 
>> wwoods wrote:
>>
>>> Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
>>>> with the same key.
>>>
>>>
>>> So, in other words, youre a thief ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense. 
>> Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the balls 
>> to take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know if the 
>> EULA is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part of 
>> Microsoft. They would have to take someone to court in each and every 
>> country where Microsoft products are sold.
>>
>> Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces people 
>> like you?
>>
>> Alias
> 
> hehehe...nice dance coming from a known and admitted liar and thief!...LOL!

Care to comment on content or only spew your usual bluster and lies? 
Problem is you *can't* comment on content because that would require you 
to think, something you obviously have problems with as is evidenced by 
your moronic posts.

Alias

Lisa wrote:
> 
> As long as you pay for each license you can, provided the license isn't
> being used at the same time on a different computer. But let's say you
> bought the retail version of Vista Ultimate, which comes with both the 
> 32bit
> and 64bit versions, you can only have one version installed at a time
> because you only paid for one license.

Correction: you "may" only have one version installed at a time if you 
want to abide by the unconscionable EULA which has never been contested 
in court and it not therefore a legal document that can be enforced.

Alias
> 
> "Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
>> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
>> on the same computer?
>>
>> I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
>> so thought I would try this NG.
>>
>> Computer is presently running Vista-32.
>>
>> What I really want to do is  _alternately_  run the
>> two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
>> the same day.  I have a reason for doing it this way.
>>
>> Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
>> same machine with the same operator, me.
>>
>> Tough question; think I really should ask someone at
>> Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.
>>
>> Thanks all for your time reading this,
>>
>> Mark- 
>

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
> 
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> wwoods wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
>>>>> with the same key.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, in other words, youre a thief ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense. 
>>> Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the balls 
>>> to take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know if the 
>>> EULA is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part of 
>>> Microsoft. They would have to take someone to court in each and every 
>>> country where Microsoft products are sold.
>>>
>>> Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces people 
>>> like you?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> hehehe...nice dance coming from a known and admitted liar and 
>> thief!...LOL!
> 
> 
> Care to comment on content or only spew your usual bluster and lies? 

I did. You are a known and admitted liar and thief.

> Problem is you *can't* comment on content because that would require you 
> to think, something you obviously have problems with as is evidenced by 
> your moronic posts.

Print out your post and take it to an adult and have them read it for you.
Ask questions, take notes and report back to me when you're finished.

Alias wrote:

> Lisa wrote:
> 
>>
>> As long as you pay for each license you can, provided the license isn't
>> being used at the same time on a different computer. But let's say you
>> bought the retail version of Vista Ultimate, which comes with both the 
>> 32bit
>> and 64bit versions, you can only have one version installed at a time
>> because you only paid for one license.
> 
> 
> Correction: you "may" only have one version installed at a time if you 
> want to abide by the unconscionable EULA which has never been contested 
> in court and it not therefore a legal document that can be enforced.
> 

Correction: if you are a lying thief like alias is pray the authorities 
don't catch you.

> Alias
> 
>>
>> "Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
>>> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
>>> on the same computer?
>>>
>>> I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
>>> so thought I would try this NG.
>>>
>>> Computer is presently running Vista-32.
>>>
>>> What I really want to do is  _alternately_  run the
>>> two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
>>> the same day.  I have a reason for doing it this way.
>>>
>>> Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
>>> same machine with the same operator, me.
>>>
>>> Tough question; think I really should ask someone at
>>> Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.
>>>
>>> Thanks all for your time reading this,
>>>
>>> Mark- 
>>
>>

fb wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> wwoods wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
>>>>>> with the same key.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, in other words, youre a thief ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense. 
>>>> Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the 
>>>> balls to take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know 
>>>> if the EULA is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part of 
>>>> Microsoft. They would have to take someone to court in each and 
>>>> every country where Microsoft products are sold.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces people 
>>>> like you?
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> hehehe...nice dance coming from a known and admitted liar and 
>>> thief!...LOL!
>>
>>
>> Care to comment on content or only spew your usual bluster and lies? 
> 
> I did. You are a known and admitted liar and thief.

Not the content. You have a problem with the forest due to the trees.

> 
>> Problem is you *can't* comment on content because that would require 
>> you to think, something you obviously have problems with as is 
>> evidenced by your moronic posts.
> 
> Print out your post and take it to an adult and have them read it for you.
> Ask questions, take notes and report back to me when you're finished.

LOL! I understood your drivel perfectly and that's what it is, drivel.

Alias

fb wrote:
> Alias wrote:
> 
>> Lisa wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As long as you pay for each license you can, provided the license isn't
>>> being used at the same time on a different computer. But let's say you
>>> bought the retail version of Vista Ultimate, which comes with both 
>>> the 32bit
>>> and 64bit versions, you can only have one version installed at a time
>>> because you only paid for one license.
>>
>>
>> Correction: you "may" only have one version installed at a time if you 
>> want to abide by the unconscionable EULA which has never been 
>> contested in court and it not therefore a legal document that can be 
>> enforced.
>>
> 
> Correction: if you are a lying thief like alias is pray the authorities 
> don't catch you.

Once again, Frank hurls an ad hominem and ignores content. Everyone act 
surprised.

I pray that MS grows the balls to take *anyone* to court for violating 
their unconscionable EULA but they won't because they know they would 
lose big time.

Alias
> 
>> Alias
>>
>>>
>>> "Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
>>>> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
>>>> on the same computer?
>>>>
>>>> I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
>>>> so thought I would try this NG.
>>>>
>>>> Computer is presently running Vista-32.
>>>>
>>>> What I really want to do is  _alternately_  run the
>>>> two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
>>>> the same day.  I have a reason for doing it this way.
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
>>>> same machine with the same operator, me.
>>>>
>>>> Tough question; think I really should ask someone at
>>>> Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks all for your time reading this,
>>>>
>>>> Mark- 
>>>
>>>

Alias wrote:

> fb wrote:
> 
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>
>>>> The end user license agreement (EULA) only allows you to run one 
>>>> version of the operating system at a time. You may not dual boot 
>>>> both operating systems.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, Microsoft just loves to tell you how you *can't* use their 
>>> software.
>>
>>
>> I bet that really irritates a known and admitted thief like you.
> 
> 
> Not at all.

Liar!

  Why should it?

You're a lying thief!

I don't think it's quite stupid of Microsoft
> except, of course, when it comes to lamers like you who when MS says 
> "jump", you ask, "how high?"

Translation: alias is too broke to afford Vista, the very best OS 
available today.
> 
>>
>>  Open Source, OTOH, tell you what you *can* do with your
>>
>>> software.
>>
>>
>> Nothing is the correct answer.
> 
> 
> Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer.

Liar!
> 
>>
>>  Microsoft's days are numbered.
>>
>> hehehe...they'll out live you and piss on your grave!
> 
> 
> Cloud computing, Google's new web browser. Can you connect the dots or 
> are you too busy activating and becoming genuine with your Windows 
> installs?

hehehe...again you're delusional. Face it sheep-fukker, you are in a 
very small minority...you are a real fringe person.
> 
>>
>>  You better start learning Open
>>
>>> Source, Carey, although there is no MVP status to gotten, sorry.
>>
>>
>> "to gotten"...improper English but what can you expect from a GED?...LOL!
> 
> 
> Um, that was a typo and I meant to type "to be gotten", of course. Nice 
> try, lamer, but no cigar (again).

Lamer? You typed it *lamer*, not me.
> 
> The fact that you lie,

Liar!

  over and over again, about my education only
> discredits you more than you already are if, indeed, that's possible.

Oh? That GED is a wonderful thing, right?...LOL!
Get lost troll or stick around so you can keep dancing for me.

Alias wrote:

> fb wrote:
> 
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Lisa wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As long as you pay for each license you can, provided the license isn't
>>>> being used at the same time on a different computer. But let's say you
>>>> bought the retail version of Vista Ultimate, which comes with both 
>>>> the 32bit
>>>> and 64bit versions, you can only have one version installed at a time
>>>> because you only paid for one license.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Correction: you "may" only have one version installed at a time if 
>>> you want to abide by the unconscionable EULA which has never been 
>>> contested in court and it not therefore a legal document that can be 
>>> enforced.
>>>
>>
>> Correction: if you are a lying thief like alias is pray the 
>> authorities don't catch you.
> 
> 
> Once again, Frank hurls an ad hominem and ignores content. Everyone act 
> surprised.

Keep dancing...it's entertaining!
> 
> I pray that MS grows the balls to take *anyone* to court for violating 
> their unconscionable EULA but they won't because they know they would 
> lose big time.

Pray you're not the one!...LOL!

It's per copy per device, one at a time. That's all that needs to be read. 
You purchase another license you put it in any machine you want. It's legal.



"Alias"  wrote in message 
news:g9joet$na9$3@aioe.org...
> Lisa wrote:
>>
>> As long as you pay for each license you can, provided the license isn't
>> being used at the same time on a different computer. But let's say you
>> bought the retail version of Vista Ultimate, which comes with both the 
>> 32bit
>> and 64bit versions, you can only have one version installed at a time
>> because you only paid for one license.
>
> Correction: you "may" only have one version installed at a time if you 
> want to abide by the unconscionable EULA which has never been contested in 
> court and it not therefore a legal document that can be enforced.
>
> Alias
>>
>> "Mark Conrad" <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:noneof-226906.20265801092008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA
>>> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64
>>> on the same computer?
>>>
>>> I do not know where to contact someone at MS to ask this,
>>> so thought I would try this NG.
>>>
>>> Computer is presently running Vista-32.
>>>
>>> What I really want to do is  _alternately_  run the
>>> two different OSs at different times, possibly even on
>>> the same day.  I have a reason for doing it this way.
>>>
>>> Seems to me it should be legal, because it is the
>>> same machine with the same operator, me.
>>>
>>> Tough question; think I really should ask someone at
>>> Microsoft, but do not know where to ask.
>>>
>>> Thanks all for your time reading this,
>>>
>>> Mark-
>>

Alias wrote:
> fb wrote:
> 
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wwoods wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two 
>>>>>>> computers
>>>>>>> with the same key.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, in other words, youre a thief ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense. 
>>>>> Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the 
>>>>> balls to take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know 
>>>>> if the EULA is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part 
>>>>> of Microsoft. They would have to take someone to court in each and 
>>>>> every country where Microsoft products are sold.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces 
>>>>> people like you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hehehe...nice dance coming from a known and admitted liar and 
>>>> thief!...LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Care to comment on content or only spew your usual bluster and lies? 
>>
>>
>> I did. You are a known and admitted liar and thief.
> 
> 
> Not the content. You have a problem with the forest due to the trees.

You must have a suite on the good ship *Denial*!
> 
>>
>>> Problem is you *can't* comment on content because that would require 
>>> you to think, something you obviously have problems with as is 
>>> evidenced by your moronic posts.
>>
>>
>> Print out your post and take it to an adult and have them read it for 
>> you.
>> Ask questions, take notes and report back to me when you're finished.
> 
> 
> LOL! I understood your drivel perfectly and that's what it is, drivel.

You have an ego, arrogance problem that has ruined your life.
Face it sheep-fukker, you are a pathetic lying loser.
Get lost...or stick around and keep dancing.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:17:02 -0700, fb  wrote:

>Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>> 
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> wwoods wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two computers
>>>>>> with the same key.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, in other words, youre a thief ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense. 
>>>> Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the balls 
>>>> to take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know if the 
>>>> EULA is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part of 
>>>> Microsoft. They would have to take someone to court in each and every 
>>>> country where Microsoft products are sold.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces people 
>>>> like you?
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> hehehe...nice dance coming from a known and admitted liar and 
>>> thief!...LOL!
>> 
>> 
>> Care to comment on content or only spew your usual bluster and lies? 
>
>I did. You are a known and admitted liar and thief.
>
>> Problem is you *can't* comment on content because that would require you 
>> to think, something you obviously have problems with as is evidenced by 
>> your moronic posts.
>
>Print out your post and take it to an adult and have them read it for you.
>Ask questions, take notes and report back to me when you're finished.

How idiotic can Frank get when he always has one foot in the gutter,
resorts to endless name calling, deliberate lying, forging posts and
shouting obscenities daily while pretending he's the Gate Keeper and
official Microsoft apologist.

Face facts Frank, you're nothing but a clueless degenerate old senile
stupid jackass everybody laughs at.

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
> 
>> fb wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The end user license agreement (EULA) only allows you to run one 
>>>>> version of the operating system at a time. You may not dual boot 
>>>>> both operating systems.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, Microsoft just loves to tell you how you *can't* use their 
>>>> software.
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet that really irritates a known and admitted thief like you.
>>
>>
>> Not at all.
> 
> Liar!

Wrong again, Frank.

> 
>  Why should it?
> 
> You're a lying thief!

Wrong again, Frank.

> 
> I don't think it's quite stupid of Microsoft
>> except, of course, when it comes to lamers like you who when MS says 
>> "jump", you ask, "how high?"
> 
> Translation: alias is too broke to afford Vista, the very best OS 
> available today.

Wrong again, Frank.

>>
>>>
>>>  Open Source, OTOH, tell you what you *can* do with your
>>>
>>>> software.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing is the correct answer.
>>
>>
>> Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer.
> 
> Liar!

Wrong again, Frank.

>>
>>>
>>>  Microsoft's days are numbered.
>>>
>>> hehehe...they'll out live you and piss on your grave!
>>
>>
>> Cloud computing, Google's new web browser. Can you connect the dots or 
>> are you too busy activating and becoming genuine with your Windows 
>> installs?
> 
> hehehe...again you're delusional. Face it sheep-fukker, you are in a 
> very small minority...you are a real fringe person.
>>
>>>
>>>  You better start learning Open
>>>
>>>> Source, Carey, although there is no MVP status to gotten, sorry.
>>>
>>>
>>> "to gotten"...improper English but what can you expect from a 
>>> GED?...LOL!
>>
>>
>> Um, that was a typo and I meant to type "to be gotten", of course. 
>> Nice try, lamer, but no cigar (again).
> 
> Lamer? You typed it *lamer*, not me.

Mistyped it, commonly known as a "typo".

>>
>> The fact that you lie,
> 
> Liar!

Wrong again, Frank.

> 
>  over and over again, about my education only
>> discredits you more than you already are if, indeed, that's possible.
> 
> Oh? That GED is a wonderful thing, right?...LOL!

I wouldn't know. I have a bonafide high school diploma.

> Get lost troll or stick around so you can keep dancing for me.

No one dances for you, Frank, except when you're looking in the mirror.

Alias

fb wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> fb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The end user license agreement (EULA) only allows you to run one 
>>>>>>> version of the operating system at a time. You may not dual boot 
>>>>>>> both operating systems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, Microsoft just loves to tell you how you *can't* use their 
>>>>>> software.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet that really irritates a known and admitted thief like you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Liar!
>>
>>
>> Wrong again, Frank.
>>
>>>
>>>  Why should it?
>>>
>>> You're a lying thief!
>>
>>
>> Wrong again, Frank.
>>
>>>
>>> I don't think it's quite stupid of Microsoft
>>>
>>>> except, of course, when it comes to lamers like you who when MS says 
>>>> "jump", you ask, "how high?"
>>>
>>>
>>> Translation: alias is too broke to afford Vista, the very best OS 
>>> available today.
>>
>>
>> Wrong again, Frank.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Open Source, OTOH, tell you what you *can* do with your
>>>>>
>>>>>> software.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing is the correct answer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Liar!
>>
>>
>> Wrong again, Frank.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Microsoft's days are numbered.
>>>>>
>>>>> hehehe...they'll out live you and piss on your grave!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cloud computing, Google's new web browser. Can you connect the dots 
>>>> or are you too busy activating and becoming genuine with your 
>>>> Windows installs?
>>>
>>>
>>> hehehe...again you're delusional. Face it sheep-fukker, you are in a 
>>> very small minority...you are a real fringe person.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  You better start learning Open
>>>>>
>>>>>> Source, Carey, although there is no MVP status to gotten, sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "to gotten"...improper English but what can you expect from a 
>>>>> GED?...LOL!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Um, that was a typo and I meant to type "to be gotten", of course. 
>>>> Nice try, lamer, but no cigar (again).
>>>
>>>
>>> Lamer? You typed it *lamer*, not me.
>>
>>
>> Mistyped it, commonly known as a "typo".
>>
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you lie,
>>>
>>>
>>> Liar!
>>
>>
>> Wrong again, Frank.
> 
> No, I'm right!
>>
>>>
>>>  over and over again, about my education only
>>>
>>>> discredits you more than you already are if, indeed, that's possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh? That GED is a wonderful thing, right?...LOL!
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't know. I have a bonafide high school diploma.
> 
> Liar!
>>
>>> Get lost troll or stick around so you can keep dancing for me.
>>
>>
>> No one dances for you, Frank, except when you're looking in the mirror.
> 
> hehehe...thanks for proving my point! Keep dancing...you might make it 
> to YouTube!...LOL!

Wrong again, Frank.

Alias

Ringmaster, Frank's Ass Licker wrote:

<---raging ranting incoherent diatribe deleted as a public service-->

hehehe...what's wrong mr drunken lying PIG, got your panties all in a 
bunch?...LOL!

fb wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> fb wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wwoods wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two 
>>>>>>>> computers
>>>>>>>> with the same key.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, in other words, youre a thief ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense. 
>>>>>> Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the 
>>>>>> balls to take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will know 
>>>>>> if the EULA is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the part 
>>>>>> of Microsoft. They would have to take someone to court in each and 
>>>>>> every country where Microsoft products are sold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces 
>>>>>> people like you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hehehe...nice dance coming from a known and admitted liar and 
>>>>> thief!...LOL!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Care to comment on content or only spew your usual bluster and lies? 
>>>
>>>
>>> I did. You are a known and admitted liar and thief.
>>
>>
>> Not the content. You have a problem with the forest due to the trees.
> 
> You must have a suite on the good ship *Denial*!
>>
>>>
>>>> Problem is you *can't* comment on content because that would require 
>>>> you to think, something you obviously have problems with as is 
>>>> evidenced by your moronic posts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Print out your post and take it to an adult and have them read it for 
>>> you.
>>> Ask questions, take notes and report back to me when you're finished.
>>
>>
>> LOL! I understood your drivel perfectly and that's what it is, drivel.
> 
> You have an ego, arrogance problem that has ruined your life.
> Face it sheep-fukker, you are a pathetic lying loser.
> Get lost...or stick around and keep dancing.
> 

This from Mr Back Pedal Break Dancer. You'll never learn, Frank.

Copy and paste one of your standard low life replies below:

Alias wrote:
> fb wrote:
> 
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> fb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wwoods wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr GRiM;826333 Wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have one copy of Vista Home Premium 32-bit running on two 
>>>>>>>>> computers
>>>>>>>>> with the same key.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, in other words, youre a thief ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Um, violating a unconscionable EULA is, at most, a civil offense. 
>>>>>>> Stealing is a criminal offense. If and when Microsoft grows the 
>>>>>>> balls to take someone to court for violating an EULA, we will 
>>>>>>> know if the EULA is, indeed, legal or a monopolistic abuse on the 
>>>>>>> part of Microsoft. They would have to take someone to court in 
>>>>>>> each and every country where Microsoft products are sold.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, why should they when their FUD obviously convinces 
>>>>>>> people like you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hehehe...nice dance coming from a known and admitted liar and 
>>>>>> thief!...LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Care to comment on content or only spew your usual bluster and lies? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did. You are a known and admitted liar and thief.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not the content. You have a problem with the forest due to the trees.
>>
>>
>> You must have a suite on the good ship *Denial*!
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Problem is you *can't* comment on content because that would 
>>>>> require you to think, something you obviously have problems with as 
>>>>> is evidenced by your moronic posts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Print out your post and take it to an adult and have them read it 
>>>> for you.
>>>> Ask questions, take notes and report back to me when you're finished.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL! I understood your drivel perfectly and that's what it is, drivel.
>>
>>
>> You have an ego, arrogance problem that has ruined your life.
>> Face it sheep-fukker, you are a pathetic lying loser.
>> Get lost...or stick around and keep dancing.
>>
> 
> This from Mr Back Pedal Break Dancer.

That would be you sheep-fukker.

  You'll never learn, Frank.

I already know and it's you who is stupid, ignorant and ego driven.

> 
> Copy and paste one of your standard low life replies below:

So why are you still dancing for me, huh?...LOL!
Loser!

In article ,
 SIW2  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thought you were planning on dual booting.

First off, thanks for your post and links.

...and no, was not planning to dual boot, rather to 
kick one version out completely, re-install the other 
version from a low-level block-by-block image.

Works fine, but takes almost an hour to restore.



> Must stop using it as a trial by 30 days  and  either 
> remove it completely from the system
> ( reinstall the 32bit and  during the reinstall process 
> format the partition the trial o/s is on )

Unfortunately for me, the reinstall is not an option, 
because I do not have the smarts to round up all the 
interconnected user files and links of the Dragon 
speech-to-text program.

Installing just Vista OS and then retraining Dragon 
would take a month, so restoring from an exact image 
backup seems to be my only option.

That is how I am presently restoring my 32-bit Vista 
whenever I accidentally mess it up.


The well trained medical Dragon works fine, I can get 
100% raw accuracy on medical stuff like the following, 
punctuation and all:

-------------------------------------------------------
X-Linked agammaglobulinemia (Bruton's agammaglobulinemia) 
is a hereditary immunodeficiency disorder due to an 
abnormality in the X chromosome and resulting in few or 
no B lymphocytes and very low levels of antibodies.
-------------------------------------------------------



Can also get perfect recognition of long medical words:

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

(affliction from breathing the fine silica 
      dust from an actively erupting volcano)

...although the hazard there is that occasionally I have 
to go to a tongue-ologist to untie the knots in my tongue.

Mark-

Mark Conrad wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA 
> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64 
> on the same computer? 
> 


	Certainly.  As long as you have a separate license for each, you can 
install them both on the same computer.  (This is spelled out quite 
clearly in the EULA on your own hard drive, by the way.)




-- 

Bruce Chambers

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:32:01 -0600, Bruce Chambers
<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>> Does anyone here know for certain whether the MS EULA 
>> will allow me to legally use both Vista-32 and Vista-64 
>> on the same computer? 
>> 
>
>
>	Certainly.  As long as you have a separate license for each, you can 
>install them both on the same computer.  (This is spelled out quite 
>clearly in the EULA on your own hard drive, by the way.)

Carey Frisch blows another one.