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date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:46:10 +0100,
group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management
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Re: Overview of Vista File Management vs. XP
"ktpardue" <kDELETEMEtpardue@yahoo.comWRONG> wrote in message
news:ktpardue.2bf0f54@vistabanter.com...
>
> Hello,
> I am new to this forum and I am pleased there is such a forum to answer
> Vista questions. I have owned Vista Ultimate since it came out, but have
> not used it until now. I am trying to get used to the the way Vista
> manage files. Can someone succinctly explain why Vista frequently
> denies me the ability to move, copy, cut, and paste files across
> folders? With XP this was never an issue. I am the owner/administrator
> of my own network and I believe I have ensured that I have full rights
> to all operations. Any feedback you can provide me will be very
> helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> KT Pardue
>
>
>
>
> --
> ktpardue
Network administrator is not the same as "administrator" status in Vista,
and even an account with Administrator status cannot do a number of
operations without elevating it's status to full administrator. No user
account, even with "administrator" status actually has this higher status.
Vista, like all modern operating systems does a great deal to improve
security, by not allowing anything running to run as administrator, even an
administrator account, so that if it were compromised by malware, it could
not take over your machine. You could try any flavor of Linux or a Mac, and
today, you'll fine essentially the same ideas. The simple fact is that
almost no one and no software needs full administrator status, and to give
it willy nilly is to open the machine to disaster. It also protects you from
yourself. Sometimes this can be frustrating. In general, you might say that
if the OP is preventing your from moving or altering certain files, it may
well be there is a good reason, and you probably shouldn't be tampering with
them. Of course there are exceptions, but Vista is a complex system, and
overriding it's protections as many do is simply asking for grief. Malware
is far more sophisticated these days, and the scanner software is always
playing catch-up, it is never ahead of the bad guys. This is all simplified,
but that is the drift of it.
There is a learning curve with Vista or any modern operating system. It can
be fun and a useful challenge, or you can give in to frustration because
Vista does not operate like XP. The simple reason is that it isn't XP. I
picked it up in a few weeks, and most of the folks I know did too. Going
back to XP is less and less of an option and sometimes simply not possible
for lack of drivers.. Vista works great for me, and I came from Win98SE,
where you could blow away anything, move anything, and any malware at all
could do whatever it wanted to the machine. I don't miss it. I hope this
helps you.
Good luck.
date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:45:31 -0500
author: Wandering
Re: Overview of Vista File Management vs. XP
"ktpardue" <kDELETEMEtpardue@yahoo.comWRONG> wrote in message
news:ktpardue.2bf0f54@vistabanter.com...
>
> Hello,
> I am new to this forum and I am pleased there is such a forum to answer
> Vista questions. I have owned Vista Ultimate since it came out, but have
> not used it until now. I am trying to get used to the the way Vista
> manage files. Can someone succinctly explain why Vista frequently
> denies me the ability to move, copy, cut, and paste files across
> folders?
There may be no simple and easy answer to why Vista's file management is
FUBAR'd ( screwed up beyond all repair).
If you Google for terms like Vista/ permissions/ file management ... you
will find all kinds of complaints. And inane MS supporters responses that
basically boil down to -- "deal with it, chump".
I have turned off UAC (User Account Control) on my system, and I still get
glitches with folder operations. Administrator "rights" on your own
computer ( looking down the road into the future) do not really belong to
you. They belong to Microsoft, and the big media corporations that MS
supports. On Vista today, they may be a "Super Administrator" previlage,
though I haven't researched this possible option.
> With XP this was never an issue. I am the owner/administrator
> of my own network and I believe I have ensured that I have full rights
> to all operations. Any feedback you can provide me will be very
> helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> KT Pardue
You really need to research this for yourself. If you do find a "succinct"
answer that works for you, please share the information. Good Luck.
_ Net
date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:56:00 -0700
author: NetLink_Blue
Re: Overview of Vista File Management vs. XP
Nonny;676801 Wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:46:10 +0100, ktpardue
> kDELETEMEtpardue@yahoo.comWRONG wrote:
> -
>
> Hello,
> I am new to this forum and I am pleased there is such a forum to
> answer
> Vista questions. I have owned Vista Ultimate since it came out, but
> have
> not used it until now. I am trying to get used to the the way Vista
> manage files. Can someone succinctly explain why Vista frequently
> denies me the ability to move, copy, cut, and paste files across
> folders? -
>
> succinct mode on
>
> Examples please
> -
> With XP this was never an issue. I am the owner/administrator
> of my own network and I believe I have ensured that I have full rights
> to all operations. Any feedback you can provide me will be very
> helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> KT Pardue-
Hi,
Thanks for replying. I will come up with examples and repost.
KT Pardue
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ktpardue
date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:49:58 +0100
author: ktpardue RONG
Re: Overview of Vista File Management vs. XP
NetLink_Blue;677127 Wrote:
> "ktpardue" kDELETEMEtpardue@yahoo.comWRONG wrote in message
> news:ktpardue.2bf0f54@vistabanter.com...-
>
> Hello,
> I am new to this forum and I am pleased there is such a forum to
> answer
> Vista questions. I have owned Vista Ultimate since it came out, but
> have
> not used it until now. I am trying to get used to the the way Vista
> manage files. Can someone succinctly explain why Vista frequently
> denies me the ability to move, copy, cut, and paste files across
> folders?-
>
> There may be no simple and easy answer to why Vista's file management
> is
> FUBAR'd ( screwed up beyond all repair).
>
> If you Google for terms like Vista/ permissions/ file management ...
> you
> will find all kinds of complaints. And inane MS supporters responses
> that
> basically boil down to -- "deal with it, chump".
>
> I have turned off UAC (User Account Control) on my system, and I still
> get
> glitches with folder operations. Administrator "rights" on your own
> computer ( looking down the road into the future) do not really belong
> to
> you. They belong to Microsoft, and the big media corporations that MS
>
> supports. On Vista today, they may be a "Super Administrator"
> previlage,
> though I haven't researched this possible option.
>
> -
> With XP this was never an issue. I am the owner/administrator
> of my own network and I believe I have ensured that I have full
> rights
> to all operations. Any feedback you can provide me will be very
> helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> KT Pardue-
>
>
> You really need to research this for yourself. If you do find a
> "succinct"
> answer that works for you, please share the information. Good Luck.
>
> _ Net
As a matter of fact, I seem to remember having read somewhere a really
good summary (or so it seemed at the time) of how to deal with Vista's
file management, and I will post it if I find it again. thanks!
--
ktpardue
date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:59:46 +0100
author: ktpardue RONG
Re: Overview of Vista File Management vs. XP
I understand and appreciate the attempts to protect the system against abuse.
However, it seems to overdo it on a regular basis. As ktpardue I struggle
with this. Why can I save for example a pdf-file in a destination directory
one moment and not the next? All it does is make me crazy, because I have to
copy the pdf to the destination folder after having saved it in the default
location. And this happens 20 times a day. I would really like this resolved
in an update.
"ktpardue" wrote:
>
> NetLink_Blue;677127 Wrote:
> > "ktpardue" kDELETEMEtpardue@yahoo.comWRONG wrote in message
> > news:ktpardue.2bf0f54@vistabanter.com...-
> >
> > Hello,
> > I am new to this forum and I am pleased there is such a forum to
> > answer
> > Vista questions. I have owned Vista Ultimate since it came out, but
> > have
> > not used it until now. I am trying to get used to the the way Vista
> > manage files. Can someone succinctly explain why Vista frequently
> > denies me the ability to move, copy, cut, and paste files across
> > folders?-
> >
> > There may be no simple and easy answer to why Vista's file management
> > is
> > FUBAR'd ( screwed up beyond all repair).
> >
> > If you Google for terms like Vista/ permissions/ file management ...
> > you
> > will find all kinds of complaints. And inane MS supporters responses
> > that
> > basically boil down to -- "deal with it, chump".
> >
> > I have turned off UAC (User Account Control) on my system, and I still
> > get
> > glitches with folder operations. Administrator "rights" on your own
> > computer ( looking down the road into the future) do not really belong
> > to
> > you. They belong to Microsoft, and the big media corporations that MS
> >
> > supports. On Vista today, they may be a "Super Administrator"
> > previlage,
> > though I haven't researched this possible option.
> >
> > -
> > With XP this was never an issue. I am the owner/administrator
> > of my own network and I believe I have ensured that I have full
> > rights
> > to all operations. Any feedback you can provide me will be very
> > helpful.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > KT Pardue-
> >
> >
> > You really need to research this for yourself. If you do find a
> > "succinct"
> > answer that works for you, please share the information. Good Luck.
> >
> > _ Net
>
> As a matter of fact, I seem to remember having read somewhere a really
> good summary (or so it seemed at the time) of how to deal with Vista's
> file management, and I will post it if I find it again. thanks!
>
>
>
>
> --
> ktpardue
>
date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:56:01 -0700
author: Ernst
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