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date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:23:07 -0700,
group: microsoft.public.mac.office.word
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Re: Screen capture lost
Hello Elliott -
Once again we get enact adversarial roles... On a most congenial basis,
however ;-)
On 7/18/08 7:40 AM, in article 180720081240266812%nospam@yrl.co.uk, "Elliott
Roper" wrote:
> In article <C4A5ED8E.3F495%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net>, CyberTaz
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Carrie -
>>
>> Screen shots aren't an Office operation so they don't go into the Scrapbook
>> - which *is* an Office feature - automatically, although the shots can be
>> added. Content you cut/copy in the Office apps are stored in the Scrapbook &
>> can then be pasted repeatedly in any of the Office programs.
>>
>> Elliott gave you some good guidance on screen shot alternatives to the
>> built-in OS X method, but I personally find that the included utility called
>> Grab does a fine job. You might want to try it out - you should find it in
>> Applications/Utilities. It isn't as versatile as GraphicConverter, but I've
>> found it to be more than adequate.
>
> A bit pedantic, this reply. Sorry CyberTaz.
Pedantic? I don't think so... Read on;
>
> The screen shot stuff I recommended is pretty much the keyboard
> shortcut way of using Grab. It *is* the OS X method.
If that's the case, perhaps you can enlighten me as to why removing Grab.app
to the Trash OS X screen captures still work the same way. Further, the
keyboard shortcuts for the two methods are totally different & the pointer
appearance/behavior is not the same for the equivalent actions.
Additionally, using Grab makes content immediately available to be pasted
without involving the Clipboard, whereas the OS X screen capture methods
work differently.
Lastly, the OS X methods generate PNGs whereas Grab generates TIFFs.
>
> My GraphicConverter remark was a possibly misleading sideshow. It was a
> roundabout way of recommending the use of separate software to prepare
> your screen grab for insertion into Word rather than give Word a chance
> to fry it, as it will. You can of course paste the clipboard flavoured
> grabs straight into Word. If they are the wrong size or not compressed
> enough for your final output, then Word will make an irretrievable mess
> of your only copy.
Not misleading at all - the point was made clear enough. What I didn't
expand on - since the matter of saving the capture hadn't been mentioned by
the OP - is that the Grab TIFF is a bit sharper than the OS X PNG, although
Grab, admittedly, doesn't offer the editing or format options provided by
GraphicConverter and some others of similar ilk.
>
> But you did explain the scrapbook v clipboard relationship better than
> I did, so I guess we work as a team? ;-)
Let's hope so... It would be a rather sorry world if a few of us couldn't
agree on at least some issues without going at one another's throats
whenever we don't see eye to eye ;-)
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:30:43 -0400
author: CyberTaz
Re: Screen capture lost
In article <C4A63D73.3F4DD%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net>, CyberTaz
wrote:
> Hello Elliott -
>
> Once again we get enact adversarial roles... On a most congenial basis,
> however ;-)
>
>
> On 7/18/08 7:40 AM, in article 180720081240266812%nospam@yrl.co.uk, "Elliott
> Roper" wrote:
>
> > In article <C4A5ED8E.3F495%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net>, CyberTaz
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Carrie -
> >>
> >> Screen shots aren't an Office operation so they don't go into the Scrapbook
> >> - which *is* an Office feature - automatically, although the shots can be
> >> added. Content you cut/copy in the Office apps are stored in the Scrapbook
> >> &
> >> can then be pasted repeatedly in any of the Office programs.
> >>
> >> Elliott gave you some good guidance on screen shot alternatives to the
> >> built-in OS X method, but I personally find that the included utility
> >> called
> >> Grab does a fine job. You might want to try it out - you should find it in
> >> Applications/Utilities. It isn't as versatile as GraphicConverter, but I've
> >> found it to be more than adequate.
> >
> > A bit pedantic, this reply. Sorry CyberTaz.
>
> Pedantic? I don't think so... Read on;
> >
> > The screen shot stuff I recommended is pretty much the keyboard
> > shortcut way of using Grab. It *is* the OS X method.
>
> If that's the case, perhaps you can enlighten me as to why removing Grab.app
> to the Trash OS X screen captures still work the same way. Further, the
> keyboard shortcuts for the two methods are totally different & the pointer
> appearance/behavior is not the same for the equivalent actions.
Simple. Grab is the GUI for the OS X shortcut's underlying magic. If
one is already running Grab, its shortcuts have precedence.
> Additionally, using Grab makes content immediately available to be pasted
> without involving the Clipboard, whereas the OS X screen capture methods
> work differently.
Nope, the clipboard is the only source for OS X paste
I thought you had that bit right.
> Lastly, the OS X methods generate PNGs whereas Grab generates TIFFs.
Strictly it generates a bitmap in the clipboard versions which is then
interpreted by whatever pastes it. See below
> > My GraphicConverter remark was a possibly misleading sideshow. It was a
> > roundabout way of recommending the use of separate software to prepare
> > your screen grab for insertion into Word rather than give Word a chance
> > to fry it, as it will. You can of course paste the clipboard flavoured
> > grabs straight into Word. If they are the wrong size or not compressed
> > enough for your final output, then Word will make an irretrievable mess
> > of your only copy.
>
> Not misleading at all - the point was made clear enough. What I didn't
> expand on - since the matter of saving the capture hadn't been mentioned by
> the OP - is that the Grab TIFF is a bit sharper than the OS X PNG, although
> Grab, admittedly, doesn't offer the editing or format options provided by
> GraphicConverter and some others of similar ilk.
as above, it depends on what the pasted-to program prefers, or if you
choose to grab to file or cmd-shift_ctrl-3 there is a magic you can
invoke to change the format saved.
elegantly documented at
http://andytseng.com/?p=68
> > But you did explain the scrapbook v clipboard relationship better than
> > I did, so I guess we work as a team? ;-)
>
> Let's hope so... It would be a rather sorry world if a few of us couldn't
> agree on at least some issues without going at one another's throats
> whenever we don't see eye to eye ;-)
Aw I dunno. Makes life interesting.
I bit my 3 year old grandson on the throat and now he calls me
"grandpire"
I have hopes for that kid. He makes worse puns than I do.
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date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:29:04 +0100
author: Elliott Roper
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