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date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:03:17 +0100,    group: microsoft.public.vsnet.ide        back       


New PC - DevStudio .NET - very slow in form editor   
Hi,

I have recently been upgraded from a Pentium 4 3.2Ghz with 1GB of RAM
running XP Pro SP2 to a Xeon quad core E5405 2.0Ghz with 2GB of RAM running
XP Pro SP2.

I have installed DevStudio .NET on it as our project is currently written
with that and .NET 1.1 and that is how it is staying at present.

The first job I attempted to do was add a new radio button to a form.  It
was then I noticed that the IDE would flash and flicker for a long time
before the item I had selected on the form designer became available to
edit.  In fact any operation in the form designer takes an age and it is
effectively unusable; resizing a button, box or form, trying to change
properties on buttons or rename, they all take ages with the associated
flickering of the IDE going on.  I am going to have to go back to using my
old PC until I can figure out what is causing this behaviour as I have no
such problems on that.

Thank you for any assistance
date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:03:17 +0100   author:   KeithM am

RE: New PC - DevStudio .NET - very slow in form editor   
Hi Keith,

You are welcome to Microsoft Newsgroup Service. My name is Hongye Sun 
[MSFT]. It is my pleasure to work with you on this issue.

In order to better understand your question, could you please answer the 
following questions for us?
What is the version and service package of Visual Studio.net that you are 
using? You could get the information from menu [Help] / [About ..].

What is the target platform for the Windows XP Pro in Xeon machine? 32bit 
or 64bit?

Are you sure that both environments have default settings and configuration 
on Visual Studio .net? No add-in installed?

Could you create a new windows form application with default settings , and 
check if it is still slow in form designer?

I am looking forward to you answers for further assistance. In the 
meanwhile, I will do a test to create a windows form application on 32bit 
OS and copy it to 64bit OS and try to open it in form designer to check if 
it is slow. Thanks.

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date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:24:56 GMT   author:   (Hongye Sun [MSFT])

Re: New PC - DevStudio .NET - very slow in form editor   
Hi

> In order to better understand your question, could you please answer the
> following questions for us?
> What is the version and service package of Visual Studio.net that you are
> using? You could get the information from menu [Help] / [About ..].

Development Environment 2003  Version 7.1.3088
.Net Framework 1.1    Version 1.1.4322 SP1




> What is the target platform for the Windows XP Pro in Xeon machine? 32bit
> or 64bit?

Not quite sure I understand the question, but any apps I build are intended 
for 32 bit platforms.
I have not considered what platform my new XEON PC is running on, (64 or 32) 
how can I check that?


> Are you sure that both environments have default settings and 
> configuration
> on Visual Studio .net? No add-in installed?
Fresh installs last week, as far as I know, no add-ins installed.

DevStudio 2005 is installed on the same PC but this was also the case on my 
old PC and DevStudio .NET worked ok.

> Could you create a new windows form application with default settings , 
> and
> check if it is still slow in form designer?

Created a Win Form app, added 2 buttons, 3 checkboxes, 4 text boxes, list 
box, group box and started editing, moving round etc, all seems fine, i.e. 
no slow refreshes or flickering.


> I am looking forward to you answers for further assistance. In the
> meanwhile, I will do a test to create a windows form application on 32bit
> OS and copy it to 64bit OS and try to open it in form designer to check if
> it is slow. Thanks.

Thanks a lot, hope my answers assist you helping me.
date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:19:54 +0100   author:   KeithM am

Re: New PC - DevStudio .NET - very slow in form editor   
Hi Keith,

Thanks for your quick reply.

To determine whether your Windows XP is 64bit or 32bit, please use the 
following method:
1. Click Start, click Run, type sysdm.cpl, and then click OK.  
2. Click the General tab. The operating system appears as follows:
o For a 64-bit version operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional 
x64 Edition Version < Year> appears under System. 
o For a 32-bit version operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional 
Version< Year> appears under System. 
Note <Year> is a placeholder for a year.

The problem is probably caused by some complex designer code which works 
with different performance in different system, because for simple windows 
form application it works fine. For this kind of problem, the best way is 
that you could send us the project files in zip format by email (My email 
is hongyes@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.'), so that we can do a 
code level analyze and troubleshoot.

Would you please use process monitor 
(http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx) to log all 
the file and registry visit information when VS 2003 is using? You could do 
it by instructions below.
1. Open your project.
2. Open link http://live.sysinternals.com/Procmon.exe and click run to run 
process monitor tool.
3. Click Ok in the process monitor filter window to log all information.
4. Minimize the process monitor and switch to you opened project.
5. Open form designer and do some operations to make it flicker and refresh.
6. Switch back to process monitor, click menu [File] / [Save], select [All 
events] and PML file format. Then click OK.
7. If the PML file is too big, please zip it and send it to us.

Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any question. I will be 
more than happy to be assistance.

Regards,
Hongye Sun (hongyes@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.') Microsoft 
Online Community Support
 
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and 
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please 
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service 
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at: 
msdnmg@microsoft.com.
 
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:47:58 GMT   author:   (Hongye Sun [MSFT])

Re: New PC - DevStudio .NET - very slow in form editor   
Sorry for the slow respnse, been out for 3 days.

Thanks for your thoughts on the issue.
I am using 32 Bit XP Pro

What has happened is that the form designer is now no longer acting very 
slowly.

I did have Norton Ghost v14 installed which runs a service. I have disabled 
this service and since then the Editor *seems* to be behaving.

Do you think this may have caused the problem?

Thanks

""Hongye Sun [MSFT]""  wrote in message 
news:9$euUQHJJHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Keith,
>
> Thanks for your quick reply.
>
> To determine whether your Windows XP is 64bit or 32bit, please use the
> following method:
> 1. Click Start, click Run, type sysdm.cpl, and then click OK.
> 2. Click the General tab. The operating system appears as follows:
> o For a 64-bit version operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
> x64 Edition Version < Year> appears under System.
> o For a 32-bit version operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
> Version< Year> appears under System.
> Note <Year> is a placeholder for a year.
>
> The problem is probably caused by some complex designer code which works
> with different performance in different system, because for simple windows
> form application it works fine. For this kind of problem, the best way is
> that you could send us the project files in zip format by email (My email
> is hongyes@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.'), so that we can do a
> code level analyze and troubleshoot.
>
> Would you please use process monitor
> (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx) to log all
> the file and registry visit information when VS 2003 is using? You could 
> do
> it by instructions below.
> 1. Open your project.
> 2. Open link http://live.sysinternals.com/Procmon.exe and click run to run
> process monitor tool.
> 3. Click Ok in the process monitor filter window to log all information.
> 4. Minimize the process monitor and switch to you opened project.
> 5. Open form designer and do some operations to make it flicker and 
> refresh.
> 6. Switch back to process monitor, click menu [File] / [Save], select [All
> events] and PML file format. Then click OK.
> 7. If the PML file is too big, please zip it and send it to us.
>
> Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any question. I will be
> more than happy to be assistance.
>
date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:50:13 +0100   author:   KeithM am

Re: New PC - DevStudio .NET - very slow in form editor   
Hi Keith,

Thanks for your reply.

I am not quite sure if Norton Ghost v14 will cause the problem. There is no 
any cases happened before like that. However, you could verify it by turn 
on the service again and check if the designer is slow again. There is some 
possibilities that third party software especially anti-virus software will 
slow down Visual Studio. They will slow down the time of reading and 
writing files. Please check if your designer code reading or writing file 
frequently? You could do that by using process monitor.

Please let me know if you still need further assistance. I will be more 
than happy to help you. Thanks.

Regards,
Hongye Sun (hongyes@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.')
Microsoft Online Community Support

Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and 
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please 
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service 
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at: 
msdnmg@microsoft.com.
 
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:37:34 GMT   author:   (Hongye Sun [MSFT])

Re: New PC - DevStudio .NET - very slow in form editor   
Sorry for the slow reply.

I have re-enabled ghost 14 and retried the form editor designer and it is 
still working ok.  Perhaps the slowness was just a one off for some reason?

Thanks for the input.


""Hongye Sun [MSFT]""  wrote in message 
news:5Goz5fFKJHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Keith,
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I am not quite sure if Norton Ghost v14 will cause the problem. There is 
> no
> any cases happened before like that. However, you could verify it by turn
> on the service again and check if the designer is slow again. There is 
> some
> possibilities that third party software especially anti-virus software 
> will
> slow down Visual Studio. They will slow down the time of reading and
> writing files. Please check if your designer code reading or writing file
> frequently? You could do that by using process monitor.
>
> Please let me know if you still need further assistance. I will be more
> than happy to help you. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Hongye Sun (hongyes@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.')
> Microsoft Online Community Support
>
date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:05:03 +0100   author:   KeithM am

Re: New PC - DevStudio .NET - very slow in form editor   
Thanks for your reply, Keith.

It's my pleasure to work with you. Wish you have a nice week!

Regards,
Hongye Sun (hongyes@online.microsoft.com, remove 'online.')
Microsoft Online Community Support
 
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and 
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please 
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service 
provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at: 
msdnmg@microsoft.com.
 
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:31:45 GMT   author:   (Hongye Sun [MSFT])

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