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date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:52:55 -0700,    group: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework        back       


Feedback about experiences deploying .Net 3.5   
My company is considering moving up from .Net 2.0 to .Net 3.5(SP1) as a 
prerequisite on the ClickOnce deployment for our application.

Does anybody have any experience deploying .Net 3.5 either as a 
prerequisite, or just by itself? Have you had any problems installing it?

One issue I've seen reported is when pushed as a prerequisite, it progresses 
so far during installation, then sits there for a long time seemingly doing 
nothing, and then finishes. Has anyone seen this?

I would greatly appreciate any feedback or information anyone can relate.

Thanks in advance,
RobinS.
GoldMail.com
date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:52:55 -0700   author:   RobinS

Re: Feedback about experiences deploying .Net 3.5   
"RobinS"  a écrit dans le message de 
news:VbGdne7lfq1VZCnVnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> My company is considering moving up from .Net 2.0 to .Net 3.5(SP1) as a 
> prerequisite on the ClickOnce deployment for our application.
>
> Does anybody have any experience deploying .Net 3.5 either as a 
> prerequisite, or just by itself? Have you had any problems installing it?
No I haven't any experience of this kind.

> One issue I've seen reported is when pushed as a prerequisite, it 
> progresses so far during installation, then sits there for a long time 
> seemingly doing nothing, and then finishes. Has anyone seen this?
Yes it is. the 3.5 installation is very slow !
But you should notice that ClickOnce has been enhanced with the 3.5 SP1, and 
perhaps you could deploy the SP1...
date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:43:05 +0200   author:   Oriane ail

Re: Feedback about experiences deploying .Net 3.5   
"Oriane" <oriane@noemail.noemail> wrote in message 
news:up7iBECCJHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "RobinS"  a écrit dans le message de 
> news:VbGdne7lfq1VZCnVnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> My company is considering moving up from .Net 2.0 to .Net 3.5(SP1) as a 
>> prerequisite on the ClickOnce deployment for our application.
>>
>> Does anybody have any experience deploying .Net 3.5 either as a 
>> prerequisite, or just by itself? Have you had any problems installing it?
> No I haven't any experience of this kind.

Do you mean you haven't had any experience deploying it, or you haven't had 
any problems?

>
>> One issue I've seen reported is when pushed as a prerequisite, it 
>> progresses so far during installation, then sits there for a long time 
>> seemingly doing nothing, and then finishes. Has anyone seen this?
> Yes it is. the 3.5 installation is very slow !
> But you should notice that ClickOnce has been enhanced with the 3.5 SP1, 
> and perhaps you could deploy the SP1...
>

We would definitely deploy .Net 3.5 SP-1; we have already updated our 
versions of Visual Studio. I'm not sure that would be any smaller than .Net 
2.0, although I have heard rumors that it is better at "partial installs", 
i.e. if the user already has .Net 2.0, it only installs the extra bits.

Thanks,
RobinS.
GoldMail.com
date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:35:35 -0700   author:   RobinS

Re: Feedback about experiences deploying .Net 3.5   
On Aug 27, 7:35 pm, "RobinS"  wrote:
> We would definitely deploy .Net 3.5 SP-1; we have already updated our
> versions of Visual Studio. I'm not sure that would be any smaller than .Net
> 2.0, although I have heard rumors that it is better at "partial installs"> i.e. if the user already has .Net 2.0, it only installs the extra bits.

That's the "client profile"m though it's actually the other way
around. If user does not have .NET 2.0 installed on his PC, client
profile bootstrapper will download and install only a subset of .NET
3.5 SP1, which cuts down the size to about 60% of a normal .NET 3.5
install. But, if the user already has 2.0 or higher installer, the
bootstrapper will download and install the full 3.5 SP1 (which should
still be around 60Mb downloads in all).
date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:47:02 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Pavel Minaev

Re: Feedback about experiences deploying .Net 3.5   
"RobinS"  a écrit dans le message de 
news:d9udnd8_s8rb6SjVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> Do you mean you haven't had any experience deploying it, or you haven't 
> had any problems?
I haven't had any experience deploying it.

>
> We would definitely deploy .Net 3.5 SP-1; we have already updated our 
> versions of Visual Studio. I'm not sure that would be any smaller than 
> .Net 2.0, although I have heard rumors that it is better at "partial 
> installs", i.e. if the user already has .Net 2.0, it only installs the 
> extra bits.
See the answer of Pavel.
date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:14:00 +0200   author:   Oriane ail

RE: Feedback about experiences deploying .Net 3.5   
RobinS,

Yes I apparently seem to have deployment problem. My application is a wpf 
application developed using VS2008 sp1 and .NET 3.5 sp1.

During deployment, it needs .NET 3.5 sp1 (otherwise application will crash 
even on 3.5 without sp1 - in a sense the term "sp1" is misleading, the 
compatibility between 3.5 & 3.5 sp1 has indeed broken - logically sp1 is 
really some target version > 3.5 ). But when users try to install 3.5 sp1, it 
took 40 minutes just to install .net framework - I have encountered two cases 
with users one in vista and another in xp sp2. There is also no such thing as 
.NET 3.5 sp1 runtime/compact/re-distributable version that microsoft has 
posted (just to take care of minimal runtime to be installed for deployment 
environment).

Bottomline is:- during deployment, installation of .net 3.5 sp1 takes 40 
minutes - one can bear with it during development but unacceptable for normal 
users during deployment (they can't just wait for 40 minutes for your 
application dependencies to be installed). I am trying to contact microsoft 
and get this fixed (refer my new post with title as ** 40 minutes **).

New technologies (such as .NET 3.5 sp1) certainly bring exciting features 
for developers but its real stability of deployment & runtime needs to be 
watched closely. I hope that microsoft will proactively help to fix the 
bugs/problems as quickly as possible - otherwise these things will be 
unusable by the end users. I also request to share your experience of 
deployment & fixes (were your users be able to install .NET 3.5 sp1 in less 
time - say under 5 minutes - no matter what they did or did not have 
previously in their client desktop)? 

Thanks
G. Narayanan

"RobinS" wrote:

> 
> My company is considering moving up from .Net 2.0 to .Net 3.5(SP1) as a 
> prerequisite on the ClickOnce deployment for our application.
> 
> Does anybody have any experience deploying .Net 3.5 either as a 
> prerequisite, or just by itself? Have you had any problems installing it?
> 
> One issue I've seen reported is when pushed as a prerequisite, it progresses 
> so far during installation, then sits there for a long time seemingly doing 
> nothing, and then finishes. Has anyone seen this?
> 
> I would greatly appreciate any feedback or information anyone can relate.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> RobinS.
> GoldMail.com 
> 
>
date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:30:05 -0800   author:   G Narayanan am

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