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date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:17:57 -0700 (PDT),    group: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework        back       


Confused about 3.5 SP1   
I've installed VS2008 SP1 with .net Framework 3.5 SP1 on my
development machines... The apps I'm building (or rebuilding) seem to
run fine on client machines that are at 3.5. Is there a reason to
install 3.5SP1 on the users machines?

Bob
date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:17:57 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
Here is my off the top of my head advice.

I don't think the CONTRACT for SP1 breaks anything with the 3.5 framework.
Therefore, any code you create with SP1 will work on clients with 3.5(SP0) 
(SP0 is my notation for "no service pack").

However, if there was a bug in the 3.5_SP0 code that you've encountered and 
you want resolution, then you need the clients to install 3.5.

You'll probably get some better advice from others.


Usually the people who really really need SP1 on the clients are the ones 
who've encountered the bugs .. fixed by the SP.





 wrote in message 
news:fa6330ff-8290-47be-b5db-2d6ff519860f@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> I've installed VS2008 SP1 with .net Framework 3.5 SP1 on my
> development machines... The apps I'm building (or rebuilding) seem to
> run fine on client machines that are at 3.5. Is there a reason to
> install 3.5SP1 on the users machines?
>
> Bob
date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:31:40 -0400   author:   sloan

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
sloan  wrote:
> Here is my off the top of my head advice.
> 
> I don't think the CONTRACT for SP1 breaks anything with the 3.5 framework.
> Therefore, any code you create with SP1 will work on clients with 3.5(SP0) 
> (SP0 is my notation for "no service pack").

That's not the case. There are lots of new public methods and types in 
SP1:

http://codebetter.com/blogs/patricksmacchia/archive/2008/08/13/net-3-5-
sp1-changes-overview.aspx

-- 
Jon Skeet - 
Web site: http://www.pobox.com/~skeet   
Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet
C# in Depth: http://csharpindepth.com
date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:40:20 +0100   author:   Jon Skeet [C# MVP]

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
I guess I consider contract breaks meaning code you have right now, won't 
compile in SP1.

New stuff wouldn't break the contract in my mind (unless an interface forced 
a new method to implement or something like that).


But I see it the other way as well.  He could develop ~new~ code with the 
new types that won't run on the old (SP0).

Either way, its good to know and have a reference source.

Thanks for clearing it up.


No public types removed (hopefully!)

SELECT TYPES WHERE IsPublic AND WasRemoved








"Jon Skeet [C# MVP]"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.230d3aee22617d8cebf@msnews.microsoft.com...
> sloan  wrote:
>> Here is my off the top of my head advice.
>>
>> I don't think the CONTRACT for SP1 breaks anything with the 3.5 
>> framework.
>> Therefore, any code you create with SP1 will work on clients with 
>> 3.5(SP0)
>> (SP0 is my notation for "no service pack").
>
> That's not the case. There are lots of new public methods and types in
> SP1:
>
> http://codebetter.com/blogs/patricksmacchia/archive/2008/08/13/net-3-5-
> sp1-changes-overview.aspx
>
> -- 
> Jon Skeet - 
> Web site: http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
> Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet
> C# in Depth: http://csharpindepth.com
date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:44:53 -0400   author:   sloan

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
sloan  wrote:
> I guess I consider contract breaks meaning code you have right now, won't 
> compile in SP1.

That way is fine - although not strictly accurate in this case. I 
believe there's at least one bug which was fixed in SP1 which would 
previously have allowed code which shouldn't work to work. I can't find 
the link now, but basically listOfInts.Cast<float>() would have been 
okay before, but will now throw an exception when you try to iterate 
through it.

However, my point was against what you wrote before:

<quote>
Therefore, any code you create with SP1 will work on clients with 3.5
(SP0).
</quote>

To be honest, having seen some of the stuff in SP1, it feels more like 
a 3.6 than a genuine service pack...

-- 
Jon Skeet - 
Web site: http://www.pobox.com/~skeet   
Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet
C# in Depth: http://csharpindepth.com
date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:05:45 +0100   author:   Jon Skeet [C# MVP]

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
> To be honest, having seen some of the stuff in SP1, it feels more like
> a 3.6 than a genuine service pack...

Well, to give it it's correct version notation, it should really be called 
.NET 2.3.

v3.0 was really 2.1, v3.5 was really 2.2, and the new bangs and whistles 
this SP adds push it up to 2.3.  At its core it is still, of course, 2.0 
with some nice addons.

Weird way to version it if you ask me...
date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:23:13 -0500   author:   Alex Clark ail

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
Alex Clark <quanta@noemail.noemail> wrote:
> > To be honest, having seen some of the stuff in SP1, it feels more like
> > a 3.6 than a genuine service pack...
> 
> Well, to give it it's correct version notation, it should really be called 
> .NET 2.3.
> 
> v3.0 was really 2.1, v3.5 was really 2.2, and the new bangs and whistles 
> this SP adds push it up to 2.3.  At its core it is still, of course, 2.0 
> with some nice addons.
> 
> Weird way to version it if you ask me... 

I would personally have called 3.0 => 2.5 and 3.5 => 3.0. There are 
enough new features (including *language* features) to merit a major 
bump at that point, IMO - I don't think there's a need to keep parity 
between CLR and Framework version, for instance.

The fact that core libraries were amended and added to makes it a 
bigger version change than the straight additions from 2.0 to 3.0.

-- 
Jon Skeet - 
Web site: http://www.pobox.com/~skeet   
Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet
C# in Depth: http://csharpindepth.com
date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:43:39 +0100   author:   Jon Skeet [C# MVP]

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:05:45 -0700, Jon Skeet [C# MVP]   
wrote:

> [...]
> To be honest, having seen some of the stuff in SP1, it feels more like
> a 3.6 than a genuine service pack...

For that to be a valid comment there would have to be some rhyme or reason  
to how Microsoft assigns version names/numbers to the .NET technologies.   
:)

As near as I can tell, it's all pretty much random, with the only real  
constraint being that the names/numbers are monotonically increasing for  
any given component.  Frankly, I'm not sure that we'll even be able to  
count on that long-term.  :)

Pete
date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:35:22 -0700   author:   Peter Duniho

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
> As near as I can tell, it's all pretty much random, with the only real 
> constraint being that the names/numbers are monotonically increasing for 
> any given component.  Frankly, I'm not sure that we'll even be able to 
> count on that long-term.  :)
>
How About .NET Windows Foundation 1.0 being the new name for .NET4?! ;-)
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:46:54 +1000   author:   Lloyd Dupont

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
If you are not using the new stuff (ADO.NET Entitities, AJAX enhancements, 
routing, dynamic data, data services, etc.), then the app can work fine on 
the client machines without SP1. There are also fixes in the SP, but you 
have to decide how much "pain" you need at this time. I would imagine this 
SP will be a suggested update on Windows Update at some time and they will 
update then.

As far as "is there a reason" is concerned, I have not looked at a list of 
fixes in the SP, so I cannot definitively give a reason to update now.

-- 
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 wrote in message 
news:fa6330ff-8290-47be-b5db-2d6ff519860f@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> I've installed VS2008 SP1 with .net Framework 3.5 SP1 on my
> development machines... The apps I'm building (or rebuilding) seem to
> run fine on client machines that are at 3.5. Is there a reason to
> install 3.5SP1 on the users machines?
>
> Bob
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:54:50 -0500   author:   Cowboy \(Gregory A. Beamer\) oSpamM

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
On Aug 14, 12:05 am, Jon Skeet [C# MVP]  wrote:
> sloan  wrote:
> > I guess I consider contract breaks meaning code you have right now, won't
> > compile in SP1.
>
> That way is fine - although not strictly accurate in this case. I
> believe there's at least one bug which was fixed in SP1 which would
> previously have allowed code which shouldn't work to work. I can't find
> the link now, but basically listOfInts.Cast<float>() would have been
> okay before, but will now throw an exception when you try to iterate
> through it.

Here's the link:

http://blogs.msdn.com/ed_maurer/archive/2008/02/16/breaking-change-in-linq-queries-using-explicitly-typed-range-variables.aspx

Basically, they've used IConverter in Enumerable.Cast before, so you
could do some value-type conversions using it as well - such as float-
>int - but the semantics of those were different from C# casts. In
SP1, they've changed it to use a plain C# cast, which means that value
conversions won't work anymore, only the usual object reference
upcasting/downcasting.

I wish they've introduced an argumentless Enumerable.Convert() to
provide the old behavior on explicit request, though.
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:19:50 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Pavel Minaev

Re: Confused about 3.5 SP1   
Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

> To be honest, having seen some of the stuff in SP1, it feels more
> like a 3.6 than a genuine service pack...

Yeah, totally.

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date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:52:07 -0700   author:   Tim Jarvis

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