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date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:40:03 +0100,
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Re: Illegal downloading
Being in the music industry (as a teacher, composer, and performer), I think
absolutely nothing can be done, or should be done, for that matter, about
"illegal" downloading. If it wasn't for filesharing music, many bands would
never even make it, and people would never have their songs heard.
As for high profile bands, look at Metallica. When they threw a fit about
people downloading their music, they lost a lot of fans, notably, the poor
people (can't afford CD's, too busy paying for shelter and lunch).
Lower-class citizens are the ones who get your name out, the ones who save
up for months and months just to go to your shows.
But, to directly answer your question? The only way to prevent music from
being downloaded (or any data for that matter), is to completely infringe on
the People's rights to anonymity and free-speech. Everything would have to
be completely monitored, and some entity (government) would have to enforce
the monitoring of individuals and their actions in order to stop/prevent
them.
Or, there could be some sort of dictatorship, where an alleged downloader
would be killed or tortured in view of the entire nation, to make an example
of, and thus scare the crap out of anyone who would ever want to even think
about downloading anything, ever.
Or you could close down the internet entirely.
Outlaw computers?
Send out viruses and root-kits with hi-profile music albums? (Oops! Too
late, they beat us to that one!)
Like I said, nobody can stop "illegal" downloading without infringing on
people's rights. What happens when a record label sues a poor person, and
that person is charged with millions of dollars in fines for the downloads?
Well, the record label loses money (for court costs, research, etc.), and
the poor person goes to jail, never paying a single dime, actually COSTING
tax payer's more for wasting space in a jail cell. And no, no-one will ever
see a dime from those fines, because poor people don't have millions of
dollars (or thousands of dollars, for that matter. Or hundreds!)
I say let the people spread the word about your music, because real
audiophiles will buy your cd's no matter what, and especially after having
heard your "illegally downloaded" file (after all, having a hard copy is
100s of x's better than mp3 files)
"Naveed" wrote in message
news:452E7DAD-2DE3-4A14-A001-13B197C41871@microsoft.com...
> Music downloads have reached higher levels as more people are turning to
> the Internet to illegally download to get music. What do you guys think
> can be done to prevent this being in the music industry yourself.
>
> For my college project, thank you
date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:34:44 -0700
author: Jimmy
Re: Illegal downloading
I run a small independent Record Label, and I have to agree with Jimmy,
and I am totally with him on every point, the industry is being forced into
changing!
my label is actually using torrents and file sharing to help promote the
bands and the label. It is the only way
for us as a small independent label, it costs so much money to pay a plugger
to get you
airplay on major radio stations, if you have got the money you can force
your bands
music down the throat of mainstream society, meanwhile we are just thankful
people
will download us and give the bands a listen, then share the songs they like
with their friends,
or delete it if they don't like it! and you can't get any better publicity
than people
sharing your songs, so illegal downloading for us as a small independent is
the only
avenue we can afford to get our bands music out there.
Because the file sharing thing has worked so well for us, we are actually
considering
making all the tracks from all our artists available for free through our
mainsite and
having a donation page for people to give what they want for the music they
have downloaded from us,
just to help us keep the site up and running, and help to invest in stuff we
have pay for
like the sites upkeep and recording etc.
we are also using websites like myspace and facebook to help promote the
music,
we have come a long way from when I started out in music college 15 years
ago handing out
tapes to friends in the hope that they would copy them for other friends and
just
out and see you play a gig, now with the internet you can hand your tapes
round the world
in the blink of an eye!
check out our group on facebook, you can find out more about what we are
about there!
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11038819609
good look with your project Naveed,
cheers
Rob Cohen
Spoonjuice Records
http://www.spoonjuicerecords.com
"Jimmy" wrote in message
news:OzZqU3UwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Being in the music industry (as a teacher, composer, and performer), I
> think absolutely nothing can be done, or should be done, for that matter,
> about "illegal" downloading. If it wasn't for filesharing music, many
> bands would never even make it, and people would never have their songs
> heard.
>
> As for high profile bands, look at Metallica. When they threw a fit about
> people downloading their music, they lost a lot of fans, notably, the poor
> people (can't afford CD's, too busy paying for shelter and lunch).
> Lower-class citizens are the ones who get your name out, the ones who save
> up for months and months just to go to your shows.
>
> But, to directly answer your question? The only way to prevent music from
> being downloaded (or any data for that matter), is to completely infringe
> on the People's rights to anonymity and free-speech. Everything would
> have to be completely monitored, and some entity (government) would have
> to enforce the monitoring of individuals and their actions in order to
> stop/prevent them.
>
> Or, there could be some sort of dictatorship, where an alleged downloader
> would be killed or tortured in view of the entire nation, to make an
> example of, and thus scare the crap out of anyone who would ever want to
> even think about downloading anything, ever.
>
> Or you could close down the internet entirely.
>
> Outlaw computers?
>
> Send out viruses and root-kits with hi-profile music albums? (Oops! Too
> late, they beat us to that one!)
>
> Like I said, nobody can stop "illegal" downloading without infringing on
> people's rights. What happens when a record label sues a poor person, and
> that person is charged with millions of dollars in fines for the
> downloads? Well, the record label loses money (for court costs, research,
> etc.), and the poor person goes to jail, never paying a single dime,
> actually COSTING tax payer's more for wasting space in a jail cell. And
> no, no-one will ever see a dime from those fines, because poor people
> don't have millions of dollars (or thousands of dollars, for that matter.
> Or hundreds!)
>
> I say let the people spread the word about your music, because real
> audiophiles will buy your cd's no matter what, and especially after having
> heard your "illegally downloaded" file (after all, having a hard copy is
> 100s of x's better than mp3 files)
> "Naveed" wrote in message
> news:452E7DAD-2DE3-4A14-A001-13B197C41871@microsoft.com...
>> Music downloads have reached higher levels as more people are turning to
>> the Internet to illegally download to get music. What do you guys think
>> can be done to prevent this being in the music industry yourself.
>>
>> For my college project, thank you
>
date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:39:21 +0100
author: Rob Cohen
Re: Illegal downloading
Well, that's the thing. Who's going to listen to your music if they can't
afford it? Who's going to spread the word about your music when they don't
have the money to buy it in the first place? Who wants to throw money at an
artist/band when they haven't heard the music yet?
Worse yet, when you force a consumer's hand to buy something, they mostly
get a negative attitude towards that something, which translates into fewer
sales.
Certainly, the -option- to buy or donate would clearly be the best thing.
It works well for Linux distro's (Ubuntu, Red Hat, Debian, even Sabayon is
climbing up the ranks, I think. I like Sabayon, anyways, and if I had some
extra cash, I certainly would aid them a bit!)
BTW Naveed, how's the project coming along? Maybe you could share some
opinions of others with us?
"Avery Sallows" wrote in message
news:E42EDB06-3D92-4EA6-ABF6-B14CED8C8111@microsoft.com...
>I think that Lime wire and such downloading agents like them should have it
>set up like iTunes, where you have to pay to download music, I think that
>then the artist would get some sort of profit, because right now the music
>biz is in kind of a wave, its up and down due to these downloading programs
>where it takes minutes and you can have a full album downloaded, so
>defiantly having these programs set up like iTunes would work, also it
>would give those companies some sort of a more profitable program. But if
>you really enjoy the artists music then your going to buy their music I
>think.
>
> "Naveed" wrote in message
> news:452E7DAD-2DE3-4A14-A001-13B197C41871@microsoft.com...
>> Music downloads have reached higher levels as more people are turning to
>> the Internet to illegally download to get music. What do you guys think
>> can be done to prevent this being in the music industry yourself.
>>
>> For my college project, thank you
>
date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:14:46 -0700
author: Jimmy
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