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date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:51:25 +0000,
group: microsoft.public.windowsmedia.player.plugins
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Re: Apple Lossless support for WMP
That's just a playback filter though, right? Does
http://www.wmplugins.com/ItemDetail.aspx?ItemID=867
address your remaining needs/issues here... ?
--
Windows Media Development Team (speaking for myself only)
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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"Rick" wrote in message
news:Op$1$8yfGHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>Are there any codecs/plugins to allow Windows Media Player to play Apple
>>>Lossless format files?
>>
>>
>> Yes, as of about 2 weeks ago (and it works pretty much as advertised)
>> http://www.orban.com/plugin/
>>
>> HTH
>> Cheers - Neil
>
> Yes, it does (thanks, Neil)...for playing those files--but they still
> can't be added to the Library. So, for those of us with huge Apple
> Lossless libraries, we're stuck with having to use both iTunes and WMP. In
> this day and age, that seems kind of silly, and is a major miscalculation
> by Microsoft!
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs
>
>
date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:55:09 -0700
author: zachd [MSFT]
Re: Apple Lossless support for WMP
Thank you, Zach, for the link. I did install the program but, at this point,
I'm not sure what enhancements I've gained. I have played one or two Apple
Lossless-encoded songs in WMP 11, but they don't get added to my WMP library
when I do, and the "import" function doesn't add them either. Perhaps I'm
missing something so, if I am, you won't hurt my feelings by just telling
me.
Thanks again,
Rick
"zachd [MSFT]" wrote in message
news:upz%23ja6fGHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> That's just a playback filter though, right? Does
> http://www.wmplugins.com/ItemDetail.aspx?ItemID=867
> address your remaining needs/issues here... ?
>
> --
> Windows Media Development Team (speaking for myself only)
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
> --
> "Rick" wrote in message
> news:Op$1$8yfGHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>Are there any codecs/plugins to allow Windows Media Player to play Apple
>>>>Lossless format files?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, as of about 2 weeks ago (and it works pretty much as advertised)
>>> http://www.orban.com/plugin/
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Cheers - Neil
>>
>> Yes, it does (thanks, Neil)...for playing those files--but they still
>> can't be added to the Library. So, for those of us with huge Apple
>> Lossless libraries, we're stuck with having to use both iTunes and WMP.
>> In this day and age, that seems kind of silly, and is a major
>> miscalculation by Microsoft!
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs
>>
>>
>
>
date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:29:47 -0400
author: Rick
Re: Apple Lossless support for WMP
On Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:14 +0000, John Lockwood
wrote:
>>> Are there any codecs/plugins to allow Windows Media Player to play Apple
>>> Lossless format files?
>>
>>
>> Yes, as of about 2 weeks ago (and it works pretty much as advertised)
>> http://www.orban.com/plugin/
>I think I already saw this and I am not sure it can play Apple Lossless. If
You're right, I took my eye off the ball I'm afraid. I did a transcode
test from a ripped WAV to apple lossless in Quicktime, which iTunes
played OK but the Orban decoder can't decode.
Oddly enough though, neither can Quicktime - even though it's encoded
using QT, it wouldn't then open the .m4a for playback ("error 50").
Real player couldn't play the file *either*, so I don't know what's up
there.
>you read http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Aac+plus this would seem
>to be confirmed. That is AACplus is not the same thing as Apple Lossless.
Yes, I think I've made this mistake at least 3x now !
Think I'd know better by now wouldn't you <g>
>I do have a codec installed already to play ordinary AAC files (CoreAAC).
The only comparable thing I can think of then is the decoder page at
Rarewares http://rarewares.org/lossless.html, there's a command line
(.exe) there, but no directshow filter.
I guess apple want to keep another proprietary format close to their
chest, as I can't see any source code at the ADN site. Have you
considered FLAC instead, or are you trying to play iTunes music in
media player ?
Cheers - Neil
------------------------------------------------
Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs
date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:00:06 GMT
author: Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]
Re: Apple Lossless support for WMP
On 26/5/06 20:00, in article qhhe72l52pbq4df9ogfg24bqnpr5da89mu@4ax.com,
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" wrote:
> On Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:14 +0000, John Lockwood
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Are there any codecs/plugins to allow Windows Media Player to play Apple
>>>> Lossless format files?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, as of about 2 weeks ago (and it works pretty much as advertised)
>>> http://www.orban.com/plugin/
>
>> I think I already saw this and I am not sure it can play Apple Lossless. If
>
> You're right, I took my eye off the ball I'm afraid. I did a transcode
> test from a ripped WAV to apple lossless in Quicktime, which iTunes
> played OK but the Orban decoder can't decode.
>
> Oddly enough though, neither can Quicktime - even though it's encoded
> using QT, it wouldn't then open the .m4a for playback ("error 50").
> Real player couldn't play the file *either*, so I don't know what's up
> there.
>
>> you read http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Aac+plus this would seem
>> to be confirmed. That is AACplus is not the same thing as Apple Lossless.
>
> Yes, I think I've made this mistake at least 3x now !
> Think I'd know better by now wouldn't you <g>
>
>> I do have a codec installed already to play ordinary AAC files (CoreAAC).
>
> The only comparable thing I can think of then is the decoder page at
> Rarewares http://rarewares.org/lossless.html, there's a command line
> (.exe) there, but no directshow filter.
>
> I guess apple want to keep another proprietary format close to their
> chest, as I can't see any source code at the ADN site. Have you
> considered FLAC instead, or are you trying to play iTunes music in
> media player ?
>
> Cheers - Neil
> ------------------------------------------------
> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs
Neil - I since installed and tried the Orban codec myself and it will play
AAC but not Apple Lossless. I also had the following reply from Orban :-(
"No, we do not support the Apple lossless format. If we were to
support any lossless format in the future, it might be MPEG-4 ALS,
which is LPAC. This is an ISO standard now."
Rick - you also say you have successfully played Apple Lossless in WMP
(although as above, we now know Neil did not actually do so). Could you tell
us what software you used to do this or have you also mixed up AAC and Apple
Lossless (easy to do since both use the .m4a file extension). If you have
managed to get WMP to play them, I might be able to get it to add them to
the library (I have already done so even though for me it will not play
them).
Practically every other player has managed to add Apple Lossless support
(e.g. WinAmp, Mplayer, etc.) you would think someone would have followed
this up by doing so for WMP.
In answer to your question Neil, yes I want to play iTunes music in WMP (I
can do so currently using AAC complete with limited Tag support). WMP will
also play AIFF but there is (currently) no way of getting tag support for
AIFF in WMP (unless anyone knows differently).
Thanks, John Lockwood
date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:30:12 +0000
author: John Lockwood
Re: Apple Lossless support for WMP
"John Lockwood" wrote in message
news:C0A1CF34.DF6E%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk...
> On 26/5/06 20:00, in article qhhe72l52pbq4df9ogfg24bqnpr5da89mu@4ax.com,
> "Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:14 +0000, John Lockwood
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> Are there any codecs/plugins to allow Windows Media Player to play
>>>>> Apple
>>>>> Lossless format files?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, as of about 2 weeks ago (and it works pretty much as advertised)
>>>> http://www.orban.com/plugin/
>>
>>> I think I already saw this and I am not sure it can play Apple Lossless.
>>> If
>>
>> You're right, I took my eye off the ball I'm afraid. I did a transcode
>> test from a ripped WAV to apple lossless in Quicktime, which iTunes
>> played OK but the Orban decoder can't decode.
>>
>> Oddly enough though, neither can Quicktime - even though it's encoded
>> using QT, it wouldn't then open the .m4a for playback ("error 50").
>> Real player couldn't play the file *either*, so I don't know what's up
>> there.
>>
>>> you read http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Aac+plus this would
>>> seem
>>> to be confirmed. That is AACplus is not the same thing as Apple
>>> Lossless.
>>
>> Yes, I think I've made this mistake at least 3x now !
>> Think I'd know better by now wouldn't you <g>
>>
>>> I do have a codec installed already to play ordinary AAC files
>>> (CoreAAC).
>>
>> The only comparable thing I can think of then is the decoder page at
>> Rarewares http://rarewares.org/lossless.html, there's a command line
>> (.exe) there, but no directshow filter.
>>
>> I guess apple want to keep another proprietary format close to their
>> chest, as I can't see any source code at the ADN site. Have you
>> considered FLAC instead, or are you trying to play iTunes music in
>> media player ?
>>
>> Cheers - Neil
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs
>
> Neil - I since installed and tried the Orban codec myself and it will play
> AAC but not Apple Lossless. I also had the following reply from Orban :-(
>
> "No, we do not support the Apple lossless format. If we were to
> support any lossless format in the future, it might be MPEG-4 ALS,
> which is LPAC. This is an ISO standard now."
>
>
> Rick - you also say you have successfully played Apple Lossless in WMP
> (although as above, we now know Neil did not actually do so). Could you
> tell
> us what software you used to do this or have you also mixed up AAC and
> Apple
> Lossless (easy to do since both use the .m4a file extension). If you have
> managed to get WMP to play them, I might be able to get it to add them to
> the library (I have already done so even though for me it will not play
> them).
John--
(Tale between legs) Sorry, I think I too mistook .aac files for Apple
Lossless, as you surmised. At any rate, I can't get them to play now, so
that's my assumption.
Back to the drawing board, I guess...
Rick
>
> Practically every other player has managed to add Apple Lossless support
> (e.g. WinAmp, Mplayer, etc.) you would think someone would have followed
> this up by doing so for WMP.
>
> In answer to your question Neil, yes I want to play iTunes music in WMP (I
> can do so currently using AAC complete with limited Tag support). WMP will
> also play AIFF but there is (currently) no way of getting tag support for
> AIFF in WMP (unless anyone knows differently).
>
> Thanks, John Lockwood
>
date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:20:12 -0400
author: Rick
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