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date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:19:01 -0700,    group: microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress        back       


my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 upgrad   
Most of my outgoing mail on my virgin.net account is being tagged as SPAM 
when I send it through Outlook Express.  This means that most of my mail 
never gets through, and the rest often gets deleted.  It started happening 
immediately after the servcie pack 3 upgrade.  Can anyone help me to fix this?
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:19:01 -0700   author:   Adnil

Re: my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 upgrad   
Neither OE or XP/SP3 has the capacity to do this. Check your AV and 
anti-spyware programs and Virgin.

Make absolutely sure that you are not scanning e-mail, incoming or outgoing.
-- 

                 Bruce Hagen
        MS-MVP Outlook Express
             Imperial Beach, CA


"Adnil"  wrote in message 
news:0B071B8C-2720-47B9-A443-C1DED679E7A6@microsoft.com...
> Most of my outgoing mail on my virgin.net account is being tagged as SPAM
> when I send it through Outlook Express.  This means that most of my mail
> never gets through, and the rest often gets deleted.  It started happening
> immediately after the servcie pack 3 upgrade.  Can anyone help me to fix 
> this?
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:27:37 -0700   author:   Bruce Hagen lid

Re: my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 up   
"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

> Neither OE or XP/SP3 has the capacity to do this. Check your AV and 
> anti-spyware programs and Virgin.
> 
> Make absolutely sure that you are not scanning e-mail, incoming or outgoing.
> -- 
> 
>                  Bruce Hagen
>         MS-MVP Outlook Express
>              Imperial Beach, CA
> 
> 
> "Adnil"  wrote in message 
> news:0B071B8C-2720-47B9-A443-C1DED679E7A6@microsoft.com...
> > Most of my outgoing mail on my virgin.net account is being tagged as SPAM
> > when I send it through Outlook Express.  This means that most of my mail
> > never gets through, and the rest often gets deleted.  It started happening
> > immediately after the servcie pack 3 upgrade.  Can anyone help me to fix 
> > this? 
> 
> Thanks for this - Virgin told me it was Microsoft's fault!!  I will look at McAfee.  Many thanks
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:43:02 -0700   author:   Adnil

Re: my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 up   
"Adnil" wrote:

> 
> 
> "Bruce Hagen" wrote:
> 
> > Neither OE or XP/SP3 has the capacity to do this. Check your AV and 
> > anti-spyware programs and Virgin.
> > 
> > Make absolutely sure that you are not scanning e-mail, incoming or outgoing.
> > -- 
> > 
> >                  Bruce Hagen
> >         MS-MVP Outlook Express
> >              Imperial Beach, CA
> > 
> > 
> > "Adnil"  wrote in message 
> > news:0B071B8C-2720-47B9-A443-C1DED679E7A6@microsoft.com...
> > > Most of my outgoing mail on my virgin.net account is being tagged as SPAM
> > > when I send it through Outlook Express.  This means that most of my mail
> > > never gets through, and the rest often gets deleted.  It started happening
> > > immediately after the servcie pack 3 upgrade.  Can anyone help me to fix 
> > > this? 
> > 
> > Thanks for this - Virgin told me it was Microsoft's fault!!  I will look at McAfee.  Many thanks


OK I looked at MacAfee and the email scan was on.  I switched it off and 
tried again, but the emails still do not get through to recipients.  How can 
you have an antivirus without having an enabled scan ?  Anyway, I tried 
everything I could and it is still not getting through.  I sent an email to 
myself from another account and it sad that my virgin server was blocked.  
Virgin says it has something to do with the SP3 upgrade - that it was 
released too early.  I am not really concerned with whose fault it is, I just 
want my emails to get through.  Has anyone  got another suggestion?
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:28:00 -0700   author:   Adnil

Re: my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 upgrad   
Neither OE nor WinXP SP3 is responsible for this behavior.

Tip: Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application.  It provides no 
additional protection and even Symantec says it's not necessary:

<QP>
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses that 
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans 
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and 
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To 
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep 
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have 
the most recent virus definitions.
</QP>
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
-- 
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/



Adnil wrote:
> Most of my outgoing mail on my virgin.net account is being tagged as SPAM
> when I send it through Outlook Express.  This means that most of my mail
> never gets through, and the rest often gets deleted.  It started happening
> immediately after the servcie pack 3 upgrade.  Can anyone help me to fix
> this?
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:22:24 -0400   author:   PA Bear [MS MVP]

Re: my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 up   
"Adnil"  wrote in message 
news:CAD86C12-495E-4659-B1AB-9DE780DB3F25@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Adnil" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Bruce Hagen" wrote:
>>
>> > Neither OE or XP/SP3 has the capacity to do this. Check your AV and
>> > anti-spyware programs and Virgin.
>> >
>> > Make absolutely sure that you are not scanning e-mail, incoming or 
>> > outgoing.
>> > -- 
>> >
>> >                  Bruce Hagen
>> >         MS-MVP Outlook Express
>> >              Imperial Beach, CA
>> >
>> >
>> > "Adnil"  wrote in message
>> > news:0B071B8C-2720-47B9-A443-C1DED679E7A6@microsoft.com...
>> > > Most of my outgoing mail on my virgin.net account is being tagged as 
>> > > SPAM
>> > > when I send it through Outlook Express.  This means that most of my 
>> > > mail
>> > > never gets through, and the rest often gets deleted.  It started 
>> > > happening
>> > > immediately after the servcie pack 3 upgrade.  Can anyone help me to 
>> > > fix
>> > > this?
>> >
>> > Thanks for this - Virgin told me it was Microsoft's fault!!  I will 
>> > look at McAfee.  Many thanks
>
>
> OK I looked at MacAfee and the email scan was on.  I switched it off and
> tried again, but the emails still do not get through to recipients.  How 
> can
> you have an antivirus without having an enabled scan ?  Anyway, I tried
> everything I could and it is still not getting through.  I sent an email 
> to
> myself from another account and it sad that my virgin server was blocked.
> Virgin says it has something to do with the SP3 upgrade - that it was
> released too early.  I am not really concerned with whose fault it is, I 
> just
> want my emails to get through.  Has anyone  got another suggestion?


Virgin is full of it. Nothing from MS is marking your mail as spam.

Do you have PCGuard from Virgin?
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/pcguard.html

As far as e-mail scanning, you may have to remove McAfee and reinstall in 
custom mode, opting out of e-mail scanning when you see the choice. Often 
just disabling it is not enough.

Turning off e-mail scanning is safe. See:

Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx#EOAAC

And:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

And this is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable Email Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses that 
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans 
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and 
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To 
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep 
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have 
the most recent virus definitions.
-- 

                 Bruce Hagen
        MS-MVP Outlook Express
             Imperial Beach, CA
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:38:34 -0700   author:   Bruce Hagen lid

Re: my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 up   
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Neither OE nor WinXP SP3 is responsible for this behavior.
> 
> Tip: Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application.  It provides no 
> additional protection and even Symantec says it's not necessary:
> 
> <QP>
> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses that 
> are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans 
> incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and 
> email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To 
> make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep 
> Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have 
> the most recent virus definitions.
> </QP>
> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
> -- 
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> 
> 
> 
> Adnil wrote:
> > Most of my outgoing mail on my virgin.net account is being tagged as SPAM
> > when I send it through Outlook Express.  This means that most of my mail
> > never gets through, and the rest often gets deleted.  It started happening
> > immediately after the servcie pack 3 upgrade.  Can anyone help me to fix
> > this? 
> 
> Thank you for this advice but I do not have Norton on my machine - does your advice apply equally to MacAfee?  MacAfee make s abig fuss if I disable email scanning and I am loathe to do this if it leaves my vulnerable to viruses.  What is Live Update?  If I have to run it manually, how can I know that a new virus hasn't appeared in the time between the last update?  If I knew more about computers, I wouldn't worry.  thanks for your help
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:45:01 -0700   author:   Adnil

Re: my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 up   
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:45:01 -0700, Adnil wrote:

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>> Adnil wrote:

>>> Most of my outgoing mail on my virgin.net account is being tagged as SPAM
>>> when I send it through Outlook Express.  This means that most of my mail
>>> never gets through, and the rest often gets deleted.  It started happening
>>> immediately after the servcie pack 3 upgrade.  Can anyone help me to fix
>>> this? 

> 
>> Neither OE nor WinXP SP3 is responsible for this behavior.
>> 
>> Tip: Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application.  It provides no 
>> additional protection and even Symantec says it's not necessary:
>> 
>> <QP>
>> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses that 
>> are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans 
>> incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and 
>> email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To 
>> make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep 
>> Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have 
>> the most recent virus definitions.
>> </QP>
>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106

> Thank you for this advice but I do not have Norton on my machine - does
> your advice apply equally to MacAfee?

McAfee is as bad as Norton.

> MacAfee make s abig fuss if I disable email scanning and I am loathe to do
> this if it leaves my vulnerable to viruses.

Not scanning email, inbound, or outbound, will not leave your computer
vulnerable to viruses. I have installed AVG on one computer (but it is
becoming bloatware), and Avast on another. In each case, I selected "Custom
Install" during the install routine, and selected to not have the program
scan email for viruses. The memory resident, "on-access" scanner is all that
you need. I tell people who worry about it to try sending themselves a copy
of the "EICAR" file, and see how their AV reacts without email scanning
active.

There used to be a web site where you could request an email with the EICAR
file attached. I can't seem to locate it; but here is a search link on
EICAR.

| http://ws.copernic.com/copern/ws/results/0/eicar%20test/1/417/topnavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true

> What is Live Update?  If I have to run it manually, how can I know that a
> new virus hasn't appeared in the time between the last update?

Live Update is related to Norton products. If you don't have any Norton
products, you shouldn't have Live Update.

> If I knew more about computers, I wouldn't worry.  thanks for your help

As long as you have a memory resident, on-access AV scanner, which most AV
products provide, you don't need, and should never install, an email
scanner.

-- 
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:48:36 -0700   author:   N. Miller

Re: my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 up   
Adnil wrote:
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>> Neither OE nor WinXP SP3 is responsible for this behavior.
>>
>> Tip: Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application.  It provides 
>> no
>> additional protection and even Symantec says it's not necessary:
>>
>> <QP>
>> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
>> that
>> are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans
>> incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and
>> email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. 
>> To
>> make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
>> Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have
>> the most recent virus definitions.
>> </QP>
>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
>>
>> Adnil wrote:
>>> Most of my outgoing mail on my virgin.net account is being tagged as 
>>> SPAM
>>> when I send it through Outlook Express.  This means that most of my mail
>>> never gets through, and the rest often gets deleted.  It started 
>>> happening
>>> immediately after the servcie pack 3 upgrade.  Can anyone help me to fix
>>> this?
>>
>> Thank you for this advice but I do not have Norton on my machine - does
>> your advice apply equally to MacAfee?

Yes.

> ...What is Live Update?...

Doesn't apply to you.
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:18:51 -0400   author:   PA Bear [MS MVP]

Re: my outgoing mail is marked as SPAM since the Service Pack 3 up   
Adnil wrote:
<snip>
> OK I looked at MacAfee and the email scan was on.  I switched it off and
> tried again, but the emails still do not get through to recipients.
<snip>
> ...I sent an email to
> myself from another account and it sad that my virgin server was 
> blocked...

Post the complete error message.
-- 
~PA Bear
date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:20:55 -0400   author:   PA Bear [MS MVP]

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