I have a SOHO with only one Win2K internet server and one XP PRO
workstation, so it would be ridiculous to use AD.

When I try to join the Win 2k's internet domain, I get "The DNS SRV
record is not registered in DNS", which of course is true. I don't want
AD if I can help it.

The XP PRO machine is then supposed to try to log in using the WINS
protocol but there's no sign of it trying.

And Yes,
- I have googled endlessly
- WINS is running in server
- Computer browser service is running on both
- On XP my ZoneAlarm firewall is disabled for the trusted zone
- Server has no firewall
- DNS points to my server only
- My ipconfig looks just fine
- Server and wks can ping and nslookup each other
- Server works just fine, can be seen by the entire planet
- WKS works just fine, can see the entire planet
- Have futzed with the XP's TCPIP configuration
- Have enabled netbios over TCPIP
- Nothing related in Event Viewer except computer browser can't download
list from PDC (naturally since it's not logged in)

I would like my XP computer to join this domain without installing AD on
the 2k server.  How can I make that happen?

Thanks for any help, greatly appreciated!!

Hello alfredo,

If you don't make your server a domain controller, you have no domain to 
join. Check that the server and workstation are in the same named Workgroup. 
What did you mean with internet domain? Explain your network configuration 
a bit more, how are they connected?

Best regards

Myweb
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers 
no rights.

> I have a SOHO with only one Win2K internet server and one XP PRO
> workstation, so it would be ridiculous to use AD.
> 
> When I try to join the Win 2k's internet domain, I get "The DNS SRV
> record is not registered in DNS", which of course is true. I don't
> want AD if I can help it.
> 
> The XP PRO machine is then supposed to try to log in using the WINS
> protocol but there's no sign of it trying.
> 
> And Yes,
> - I have googled endlessly
> - WINS is running in server
> - Computer browser service is running on both
> - On XP my ZoneAlarm firewall is disabled for the trusted zone
> - Server has no firewall
> - DNS points to my server only
> - My ipconfig looks just fine
> - Server and wks can ping and nslookup each other
> - Server works just fine, can be seen by the entire planet
> - WKS works just fine, can see the entire planet
> - Have futzed with the XP's TCPIP configuration
> - Have enabled netbios over TCPIP
> - Nothing related in Event Viewer except computer browser can't
> download
> list from PDC (naturally since it's not logged in)
> I would like my XP computer to join this domain without installing AD
> on the 2k server.  How can I make that happen?
> 
> Thanks for any help, greatly appreciated!!
>

Yes. Try turning off the XP firewall and bind NetBIOS over tcp/ip to the 
connection on Windows XP



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Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
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"Alfredo" wrote:
>I have a SOHO with only one Win2K internet server and one XP PRO
> workstation, so it would be ridiculous to use AD.
>
> When I try to join the Win 2k's internet domain, I get "The DNS SRV
> record is not registered in DNS", which of course is true. I don't want
> AD if I can help it.
>
> The XP PRO machine is then supposed to try to log in using the WINS
> protocol but there's no sign of it trying.
>
> And Yes,
> - I have googled endlessly
> - WINS is running in server
> - Computer browser service is running on both
> - On XP my ZoneAlarm firewall is disabled for the trusted zone
> - Server has no firewall
> - DNS points to my server only
> - My ipconfig looks just fine
> - Server and wks can ping and nslookup each other
> - Server works just fine, can be seen by the entire planet
> - WKS works just fine, can see the entire planet
> - Have futzed with the XP's TCPIP configuration
> - Have enabled netbios over TCPIP
> - Nothing related in Event Viewer except computer browser can't download
> list from PDC (naturally since it's not logged in)
>
> I would like my XP computer to join this domain without installing AD on
> the 2k server.  How can I make that happen?
>
> Thanks for any help, greatly appreciated!!

Myweb  sez :

>If you don't make your server a domain controller, you have no domain to 
>join. Check that the server and workstation are in the same named Workgroup. 

Thank you, the server is indeed a PDC and has been for years.  This is
not a workgroup I'm trying to join, it is a domain.

"Alfredo"  wrote in message 
news:45d891a1.49884359@news.megapath.net...
>I have a SOHO with only one Win2K internet server and one XP PRO
> workstation, so it would be ridiculous to use AD.
>
> When I try to join the Win 2k's internet domain, I get "The DNS SRV
> record is not registered in DNS", which of course is true. I don't want
> AD if I can help it.

There is not "domain" in Win2000+ without AD -- Active Directory DCs
create the domain, or rather the first one to do DCPromo creates the domain.

> The XP PRO machine is then supposed to try to log in using the WINS
> protocol but there's no sign of it trying.

WINS is merely a name resolution server for resolving NetBIOS names
to IP addresses.  It is NOT an authentication protocol, or even technically
a profile at all.

NetBIOS is not an authentication profile either, but a naming standard and
a programmers' API for obtaining (mostly legacy) network services.

> - Nothing related in Event Viewer except computer browser can't download
> list from PDC (naturally since it's not logged in)

There are no PDC or BDCs in Win2000+.  There is a PDC Emulator but this
only occurs after the DCPromo creation of the AD Domain.

> I would like my XP computer to join this domain without installing AD on
> the 2k server.  How can I make that happen?

Did you do DCPromo and create a domain or not?


You have not "Win2000+ Domain" until you use DCPromo to create an Active
Directory Domain.

> Thanks for any help, greatly appreciated!!

-- 
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)

"Dave Patrick"  sez :

>Yes. Try turning off the XP firewall and bind NetBIOS over tcp/ip to the 
>connection on Windows XP

Thank you Dave.  The server has no software firewall.  

The XP's Windows firewall was always turned off, on the XP I use Zone
Alarm which is turned off for the trusted zone, in which I placed the
server, and Netbios over TCPIP was always enabled.

So, for all intents and purposes there is no firewall between the XP and
2k machines.

Mainly I am thrilled you say I can do what I want, without AD, thanks
for that.

Anything else I can answer?  Would love to do this so I can go enjoy the
long holiday.

"Alfredo"  wrote in message 
news:45d89a21.52060187@news.megapath.net...
> Myweb  sez :
>
>>If you don't make your server a domain controller, you have no domain to
>>join. Check that the server and workstation are in the same named 
>>Workgroup.
>
> Thank you, the server is indeed a PDC and has been for years.  This is
> not a workgroup I'm trying to join, it is a domain.

Then you have already installed Active Directory and you question
makes no sense "Can XP PRO join 2K domain w/o installing AD?"  or "I have a 
SOHO
with only one Win2K internet server and one XP PRO workstation, so it
 would be ridiculous to use AD."

If you have a Win2000+ DC (there are no PDC/BDCs in Win2000) then
you have an Active Directory Domain.

In that case you create an account for the Computer on the DC (AD Users
and Computers) and you create an account for the user.

You set the workstation DNS Server to strictly the internal DNS (likely
needing to run on the DC) and that ia pretty much it.

You do have DNS running on the DC, don't you?  AD has a requirement
to use a "Dynamic DNS" zone with the same name as the domain.

And hopefully you have named the AD Domain (and DNS zone) with at
least two LABELS, e.g., domain.com and not just "domain".

-- 
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)

"Alfredo"  wrote in message 
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> "Dave Patrick"  sez :
>
>>Yes. Try turning off the XP firewall and bind NetBIOS over tcp/ip to the
>>connection on Windows XP
>
> Thank you Dave.  The server has no software firewall.
>
> The XP's Windows firewall was always turned off, on the XP I use Zone
> Alarm which is turned off for the trusted zone, in which I placed the
> server, and Netbios over TCPIP was always enabled.
>
> So, for all intents and purposes there is no firewall between the XP and
> 2k machines.
>
> Mainly I am thrilled you say I can do what I want, without AD, thanks
> for that.

No, you cannot.  You even claimed later that you have AD on the server.

There are no Win2000 DCs except with Active Directly domains.

> Anything else I can answer?  Would love to do this so I can go enjoy the
> long holiday.

What are you REALLY trying to accomplish?  Obviously it has little to do
with yoru subject line.

-- 
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)

I haven't read this but this book may be for you.

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1928994547/#top

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Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Alfredo" wrote:
> Thank you Dave.  The server has no software firewall.  
> 
> The XP's Windows firewall was always turned off, on the XP I use Zone
> Alarm which is turned off for the trusted zone, in which I placed the
> server, and Netbios over TCPIP was always enabled.
> 
> So, for all intents and purposes there is no firewall between the XP and
> 2k machines.
> 
> Mainly I am thrilled you say I can do what I want, without AD, thanks
> for that.
> 
> Anything else I can answer?  Would love to do this so I can go enjoy the
> long holiday.
> 
> 
> 
>

"Alfredo"  wrote in message 
news:45d89a21.52060187@news.megapath.net...
> Myweb  sez :
>
>>If you don't make your server a domain controller, you have no domain to
>>join. Check that the server and workstation are in the same named 
>>Workgroup.
>
> Thank you, the server is indeed a PDC and has been for years.  This is
> not a workgroup I'm trying to join, it is a domain.

A Windows 2000 Domain is not possible without Active Directory. Therefore, 
your assertion that you have a Windows Domain without Active Directory can't 
be true. That leads me to believe you may not have a Windows Domain. Or you 
do have Active Directory.  Makes it kinda hard to suggest a fix for a 
problem that can't (technically) exist.

Now, you call this an "Internet Domain". If so, that is entirely different 
than a Windows Domain. I suspect (not sure!) that maybe all you want to do 
is access the Internet via your workstation. And/or, share files between the 
Workstation and the server. Is that true?  If not, please elaborate on your 
intended result.

-Frank

"Herb Martin"  sez :

> You even claimed later that you have AD on the server.

I claimed nothing of the kind.

 * * *

>What are you REALLY trying to accomplish?  Obviously it has little to do
>with yoru subject line.

I am REAAAALY trying to accomplish what it says in my subject line.

"Frankster"  sez :

>A Windows 2000 Domain is not possible without Active Directory. Therefore, 
>your assertion that you have a Windows Domain without Active Directory can't 
>be true.


Okay, I see.  I set this up under NT, when it was possible to set up
your server as a PDC, and migrated to 2K.

The reason I (used to?) think I have a windows domain is that, right
now, today, in the 2K server, when I click on Explorer > My network
places > Entire network > Microsoft Windows Network >
MyInternetDomain.COM > MyWin2kMachine is shown.


>Now, you call this an "Internet Domain". If so, that is entirely different 
>than a Windows Domain.

Sure.  This machine serves as both an internet web server (I own my
internet domain name and run the server here at home, that's the 2K
machine) and have a personal machine (the XP machine) with which I would
like to join that domain as domain administrator, be able to share files
and printers, etc.

"Herb Martin"  sez :

>There are no PDC or BDCs in Win2000+.

Thank you.  That's very useful, at least I know now that what I hoped to
do may be futile, oh well.  

I hoped to do it because I just think that AD is a gigantic PITA and
unnecessary overkill for my tiny one-machine internet server.


>Did you do DCPromo and create a domain or not?

No, have never done that, thought that my machine was a PDC.


>You have not "Win2000+ Domain" until you use DCPromo to create an Active
>Directory Domain.

Ugh.  Sorry to hear about that, but thanks for telling me.

"Alfredo"  wrote in message 
news:45d8a49a.54741265@news.megapath.net...
> "Herb Martin"  sez :
>
>> You even claimed later that you have AD on the server.
>
> I claimed nothing of the kind.

You said it was a (Win2000) DC -- that is precisely equivalent to saying it
has Active Directory on it.

>
>>What are you REALLY trying to accomplish?  Obviously it has little to do
>>with yoru subject line.
>
> I am REAAAALY trying to accomplish what it says in my subject line.

Then you don't understand Win2000, AD, or Domain Controllers - -this isn't
a criticism but you are asking to do something that is logically impossible.

-- 
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)

"Alfredo"  wrote in message 
news:45d8a9fa.56116968@news.megapath.net...
> "Herb Martin"  sez :
>
>>There are no PDC or BDCs in Win2000+.
>
> Thank you.  That's very useful, at least I know now that what I hoped to
> do may be futile, oh well.

If you have a DC then you already have a domain.  If it runs Win2000+
Servers as DC then it is by definition and design an AD domain.

What you cannot do is have a (Win2000+) Domain without Active Directory
since these are the SAME THING.

> I hoped to do it because I just think that AD is a gigantic PITA and
> unnecessary overkill for my tiny one-machine internet server.

If you have a (P)DC running Win2000 you already have AD.

You obviously don't have enough experience with AD to make an informed
judgement about how big a PITA it is or is not.  That is just a fact not a
criticism.

For only a few machines AD may not be necessary to satisfy some specific
set of goals but AD is not difficult if you have just a few basic key points
well understood.  (Like most AD problems are really a DNS issue.)

>>Did you do DCPromo and create a domain or not?
> No, have never done that, thought that my machine was a PDC.

Ok, well it either is a DC (with AD) or it is not.

IF you upgraded the NT domain PDC then it is a Win2000 DC with AD.

IF you instead did DCPromo (or anything equivalent from "Manage My
Server") then it became a DC and has AD.

>>You have not "Win2000+ Domain" until you use DCPromo to create an Active
>>Directory Domain.
>
> Ugh.  Sorry to hear about that, but thanks for telling me.

Have you ever managed an AD?

Have you ever done a DCPromo to create ANY DC?

-- 
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)

"Alfredo"  wrote in message 
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> "Frankster"  sez :
>
>>A Windows 2000 Domain is not possible without Active Directory. Therefore,
>>your assertion that you have a Windows Domain without Active Directory 
>>can't
>>be true.
>
>
> Okay, I see.  I set this up under NT, when it was possible to set up
> your server as a PDC, and migrated to 2K.

"Migrated" how?  If you upgraded the PDC to Win2000 then that
automatically UPGRADED (not migrated) your NT domain to AD.

If you "Migrated" your domain users accounts and computers accounts to a new
Win2000 DC then that would have required a domain.

If you just installed a Server without making it a DC then there was no
"NT migration" of the user and computer accounts of the NT domain.

> The reason I (used to?) think I have a windows domain is that, right
> now, today, in the 2K server, when I click on Explorer > My network
> places > Entire network > Microsoft Windows Network >
> MyInternetDomain.COM > MyWin2kMachine is shown.

You can have DNS domains and zones completely distinct from AD domains.

Most of the world of the Internet running on Unix/Linux/Mac etc has DNS
without having AD which is (largely) a Microsoft only concept.

AD on the other hand REQUIRES DNS, and DYNAMIC DNS at that.

>>Now, you call this an "Internet Domain". If so, that is entirely different
>>than a Windows Domain.
>
> Sure.  This machine serves as both an internet web server (I own my
> internet domain name and run the server here at home, that's the 2K
> machine) and have a personal machine (the XP machine) with which I would
> like to join that domain as domain administrator, be able to share files
> and printers, etc.

Well if you wish to "join a domain" that means DCPromo to DC and thus
creating an AD Domain.

If you just want the machine to use a particular DNS name (in no way will
this "join" anything) that is also possible but won't accomplish much.

So we are back to what PRECISELY do you wish to accomplish -- by
"joining" a Win2000 domain?

(Saying that you want to do what the subject line says is logically 
impossible
and doesn't say what advantages you would hope to achieve even were it
possible -- what are you actual goals with this?)

What would work then that doesn't work for you now?  What features or
functions are you hoping to see or use?

Don't try to describe (initially at least) how you think that might be
accomplished but rather focus on what services and features will be
available afterwards....

-- 
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)