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date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:36:01 -0700,    group: microsoft.public.windowsxp.moviemaker        back       


MM "locks" up   
Too many hours on this project to mention....program keeps "locking up", 
closing and restarting.  A hassle, but bearable.

Now, however, it has ceased to "play"....press button and get no movement.  
No error message, no annoying restart issues...just nothing.  Files remain in 
timeline....just can't get the thing to "play" so I can finish this up.  

Ideas?  

Have been reading the other posts....very helpful stuff.  Thanks to you MVPs 
who volunteer your talents
date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:36:01 -0700   author:   Melissa in Maine Melissa in

Re: MM "locks" up   
Melissa in Maine wrote:
> Too many hours on this project to mention....program keeps "locking
> up", closing and restarting.  A hassle, but bearable.
>
> Now, however, it has ceased to "play"....press button and get no
> movement. No error message, no annoying restart issues...just
> nothing.  Files remain in timeline....just can't get the thing to
> "play" so I can finish this up.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Have been reading the other posts....very helpful stuff.  Thanks to
> you MVPs who volunteer your talents
===============================
I do not have the exact cure but I can offer
some ideas...

Sounds like a system resource issue....

Disconnect from the net and close all programs...
especially virus scanners before opening Movie
Maker.

Uninstall unused programs, delete files that are
no longer important. IOW...free up some space.

Increase the size of your Paging File...the
following article explains how.

(308417) HOW TO: Set Performance Options
in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308417

Try doing some maintenance...Disk Cleanup,
Error Checking, Defrag...

Empty your Temporary Internet Files Folder.

(260897) How to Delete the Contents of the
Temporary Internet Files Folder
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=260897

Running Disk Cleanup, Error Checking and
Defrag on a regular schedule is a good idea.

(310312) Description of the Disk Cleanup
Tool in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310312

(315265) How to Perform Disk Error Checking
in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315265
(check the two boxes..."Automatically fix file
system errors" and "Scan for and attempt
recovery of bad sectors") the utility will run
the next time you restart your computer.
(run error checking repeatedly until it finds
no errors)

(314848) How to Defragment Your Disk
Drive Volumes in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314848

Try converting your .jpgs to Windows Bitmaps
[.bmp} before importing them into Movie Maker.

File type compatibility with Movie Maker
http://tinyurl.com/v8tee

Some users have reported problems
after installing IE7. If this applies to your
situation ...uninstalling IE7 may be worth
a try.

(927177) How to uninstall Internet Explorer 7
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927177/en-us

I've also seen a report that disabling the
ffdshow codec could be the fix. To accomplish
this...open Movie Maker and go to...Tools /
Options / Compatibility tab...Uncheck...
ffdshow / OK.

===
(You can disable ffdshow with this command:
regsvr32.exe /u "C:\Program Files\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax"
After running that command, the regular
DivX/XviD codecs will be used instead of ffdshow.
You can enable ffdshow again with this command:
regsvr32.exe "C:\Program Files\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax" )
===

More info:

Movie Maker 2 Crashes and Hangs
http://tinyurl.com/bqgyx

Movie Maker always has to close
http://tinyurl.com/fw76b
   or...
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.moviemaker/msg/ae88267a9e023836

-- 

John Inzer
date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:05:47 -0400   author:   John Inzer

Re: MM "locks" up   
"John Inzer" wrote:

> Melissa in Maine wrote:
> > Too many hours on this project to mention....program keeps "locking
> > up", closing and restarting.  A hassle, but bearable.
> >
> > Now, however, it has ceased to "play"....press button and get no
> > movement. No error message, no annoying restart issues...just
> > nothing.  Files remain in timeline....just can't get the thing to
> > "play" so I can finish this up.
> >
> > Ideas?
> >
> > Have been reading the other posts....very helpful stuff.  Thanks to
> > you MVPs who volunteer your talents
> ===============================
> I do not have the exact cure but I can offer
> some ideas...
> 
> Sounds like a system resource issue....
> 
> Disconnect from the net and close all programs...
> especially virus scanners before opening Movie
> Maker.
> 
> Uninstall unused programs, delete files that are
> no longer important. IOW...free up some space.
> 
> Increase the size of your Paging File...the
> following article explains how.
> 
> (308417) HOW TO: Set Performance Options
> in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308417
> 
> Try doing some maintenance...Disk Cleanup,
> Error Checking, Defrag...
> 
> Empty your Temporary Internet Files Folder.
> 
> (260897) How to Delete the Contents of the
> Temporary Internet Files Folder
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=260897
> 
> Running Disk Cleanup, Error Checking and
> Defrag on a regular schedule is a good idea.
> 
> (310312) Description of the Disk Cleanup
> Tool in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310312
> 
> (315265) How to Perform Disk Error Checking
> in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315265
> (check the two boxes..."Automatically fix file
> system errors" and "Scan for and attempt
> recovery of bad sectors") the utility will run
> the next time you restart your computer.
> (run error checking repeatedly until it finds
> no errors)
> 
> (314848) How to Defragment Your Disk
> Drive Volumes in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314848
> 
> Try converting your .jpgs to Windows Bitmaps
> [.bmp} before importing them into Movie Maker.
> 
> File type compatibility with Movie Maker
> http://tinyurl.com/v8tee
> 
> Some users have reported problems
> after installing IE7. If this applies to your
> situation ...uninstalling IE7 may be worth
> a try.
> 
> (927177) How to uninstall Internet Explorer 7
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927177/en-us
> 
> I've also seen a report that disabling the
> ffdshow codec could be the fix. To accomplish
> this...open Movie Maker and go to...Tools /
> Options / Compatibility tab...Uncheck...
> ffdshow / OK.
> 
> ===
> (You can disable ffdshow with this command:
> regsvr32.exe /u "C:\Program Files\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax"
> After running that command, the regular
> DivX/XviD codecs will be used instead of ffdshow.
> You can enable ffdshow again with this command:
> regsvr32.exe "C:\Program Files\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax" )
> ===
> 
> More info:
> 
> Movie Maker 2 Crashes and Hangs
> http://tinyurl.com/bqgyx
> 
> Movie Maker always has to close
> http://tinyurl.com/fw76b
>    or...
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.moviemaker/msg/ae88267a9e023836
> 
> -- 
> 
> John Inzer
> 
> 
> John, 
Thanks for the detailed info.  Before I do these things, I wanted you to 
know that just prior to this problem, I was puttering with Vista's tools and 
started a "disk cleanup"...then canceled it in process.  (Also disabled some 
of the start programs, if that could be relevant)

When I look at the location "properties" of the mm file, it indicates it is 
located in a windows/temp folder.....I tried to find that file in that temp 
folder and it doesn't seem to be there.  

Could my previous "mini" disc cleanup have dumped this temp file?   Or if 
not, and mm saves the project as a temp file, is it possible that doing a 
full clean will trash it?

Tried to "restore" to an earlier point before this "tragedy".....didn't 
work.  Will wait for your reply, if you are kind enough to plow through this 
and write again.

Again, thanks.
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:12:05 -0700   author:   Melissa in Maine

Re: MM "locks" up   
"John Inzer" wrote:

> Melissa in Maine wrote:
> > Too many hours on this project to mention....program keeps "locking
> > up", closing and restarting.  A hassle, but bearable.
> >
> > Now, however, it has ceased to "play"....press button and get no
> > movement. No error message, no annoying restart issues...just
> > nothing.  Files remain in timeline....just can't get the thing to
> > "play" so I can finish this up.
> >
> > Ideas?
> >
> > Have been reading the other posts....very helpful stuff.  Thanks to
> > you MVPs who volunteer your talents
> ===============================
> I do not have the exact cure but I can offer
> some ideas...
> 
> Sounds like a system resource issue....
> 
> Disconnect from the net and close all programs...
> especially virus scanners before opening Movie
> Maker.
> 
> Uninstall unused programs, delete files that are
> no longer important. IOW...free up some space.
> 
> Increase the size of your Paging File...the
> following article explains how.
> 
> (308417) HOW TO: Set Performance Options
> in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308417
> 
> Try doing some maintenance...Disk Cleanup,
> Error Checking, Defrag...
> 
> Empty your Temporary Internet Files Folder.
> 
> (260897) How to Delete the Contents of the
> Temporary Internet Files Folder
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=260897
> 
> Running Disk Cleanup, Error Checking and
> Defrag on a regular schedule is a good idea.
> 
> (310312) Description of the Disk Cleanup
> Tool in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310312
> 
> (315265) How to Perform Disk Error Checking
> in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315265
> (check the two boxes..."Automatically fix file
> system errors" and "Scan for and attempt
> recovery of bad sectors") the utility will run
> the next time you restart your computer.
> (run error checking repeatedly until it finds
> no errors)
> 
> (314848) How to Defragment Your Disk
> Drive Volumes in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314848
> 
> Try converting your .jpgs to Windows Bitmaps
> [.bmp} before importing them into Movie Maker.
> 
> File type compatibility with Movie Maker
> http://tinyurl.com/v8tee
> 
> Some users have reported problems
> after installing IE7. If this applies to your
> situation ...uninstalling IE7 may be worth
> a try.
> 
> (927177) How to uninstall Internet Explorer 7
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927177/en-us
> 
> I've also seen a report that disabling the
> ffdshow codec could be the fix. To accomplish
> this...open Movie Maker and go to...Tools /
> Options / Compatibility tab...Uncheck...
> ffdshow / OK.
> 
> ===
> (You can disable ffdshow with this command:
> regsvr32.exe /u "C:\Program Files\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax"
> After running that command, the regular
> DivX/XviD codecs will be used instead of ffdshow.
> You can enable ffdshow again with this command:
> regsvr32.exe "C:\Program Files\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax" )
> ===
> 
> More info:
> 
> Movie Maker 2 Crashes and Hangs
> http://tinyurl.com/bqgyx
> 
> Movie Maker always has to close
> http://tinyurl.com/fw76b
>    or...
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.moviemaker/msg/ae88267a9e023836
> 
> -- 
> 
> John Inzer
> 
> Me again,
Can't find the ffdshow file in my mm program and wonder if it is because I 
failed to specify that this is running on Vista (a program I know even less 
about than XP).  Lots of filters under the compatability tab....sadly, no 
ffdshow.

Thanks again
>
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:20:03 -0700   author:   Melissa in Maine

Re: MM "locks" up   
Melissa in Maine wrote:

>> Me again,
> Can't find the ffdshow file in my mm program and wonder if it is
> because I failed to specify that this is running on Vista (a program
> I know even less about than XP).  Lots of filters under the
> compatability tab....sadly, no ffdshow.
>
> Thanks again
============================================
Apparently it has not been installed on your system.
Those are just general suggestions that don't apply to
every system.

-- 

John Inzer
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:25:44 -0400   author:   John Inzer

Re: MM "locks" up   
Melissa in Maine wrote:
>> John,
> Thanks for the detailed info.  Before I do these things, I wanted you
> to know that just prior to this problem, I was puttering with Vista's
> tools and started a "disk cleanup"...then canceled it in process.
> (Also disabled some of the start programs, if that could be relevant)
>
> When I look at the location "properties" of the mm file, it indicates
> it is located in a windows/temp folder.....I tried to find that file
> in that temp folder and it doesn't seem to be there.
==================================
I thought your complaint was that the program
"locks up" when you are working on it. That
would indicate a lack of adequate system
resources. Or possibly incompatible source files.
Are you now saying that you cannot find it?
===================================
> Could my previous "mini" disc cleanup have dumped this temp file?
> Or if not, and mm saves the project as a temp file, is it possible
> that doing a full clean will trash it?
===================================
In Vista the default save location for Movie
Maker .mswmm project files should be:
C:\Users\>user name<\Videos
===================================
> Tried to "restore" to an earlier point before this
> "tragedy".....didn't work.  Will wait for your reply, if you are kind
> enough to plow through this and write again.
====================================
If you mean System Restore does not work...you
may have to try it in Safe Mode.

Using Windows Vista
System Restore
http://tinyurl.com/2qhd77
   or...
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/using-windows-vista-system-restore/


-- 

John Inzer
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:42:04 -0400   author:   John Inzer

Re: MM "locks" up   
"John Inzer" wrote:

> Melissa in Maine wrote:
> 
> >> Me again,
> > Can't find the ffdshow file in my mm program and wonder if it is
> > because I failed to specify that this is running on Vista (a program
> > I know even less about than XP).  Lots of filters under the
> > compatability tab....sadly, no ffdshow.
> >
> > Thanks again
> ============================================
> Apparently it has not been installed on your system.
> Those are just general suggestions that don't apply to
> every system.
> 
> -- 
> 
> John Inzer
> 
> 
> Hi again John,

Sorry I was not clear in my earlier message(s).  

As I've been working on project, the program frequently "locks up"---the 
little Vista "wheel" starts to spin, screen goes dim, then I need to 
"restart" program.  In itself, this has been a nuisance.

Now,  however, when  I "open" the project (timeline appears and it looks as 
if all files/transitions/effects etc. are there)....I am unable to get it to 
play in order to review it and continue editing.  I click the "play" button 
and nothing happens.  

I can still open and play other mm projects- even earlier versions of the 
particular project that now, no longer plays.  It's as if this particular 
project is "frozen".

Thanks as always.....
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:51:01 -0700   author:   Melissa in Maine

Re: MM "locks" up   
Melissa in Maine wrote:
> "John Inzer" wrote:
>
>> Melissa in Maine wrote:
>>
>>>> Me again,
>>> Can't find the ffdshow file in my mm program and wonder if it is
>>> because I failed to specify that this is running on Vista (a program
>>> I know even less about than XP).  Lots of filters under the
>>> compatability tab....sadly, no ffdshow.
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>> ============================================
>> Apparently it has not been installed on your system.
>> Those are just general suggestions that don't apply to
>> every system.
>>
>> --
>>
>> John Inzer
>>
>>
>> Hi again John,
>
> Sorry I was not clear in my earlier message(s).
>
> As I've been working on project, the program frequently "locks
> up"---the little Vista "wheel" starts to spin, screen goes dim, then
> I need to "restart" program.  In itself, this has been a nuisance.
>
> Now,  however, when  I "open" the project (timeline appears and it
> looks as if all files/transitions/effects etc. are there)....I am
> unable to get it to play in order to review it and continue editing.
> I click the "play" button and nothing happens.
>
> I can still open and play other mm projects- even earlier versions of
> the particular project that now, no longer plays.  It's as if this
> particular project is "frozen".
>
> Thanks as always.....
=====================================
Maybe the file is corrupted. Or...as I told you...it
may be a system resource issue or incompatible
source files.

That's the best I can offer...sorry.

FWIW...creating large complex projects will often
result in problems. Creating several smaller projects
and combining them may be a better approach.

-- 

John Inzer
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:59:05 -0400   author:   John Inzer

Re: MM "locks" up   
"John Inzer" wrote:

> Melissa in Maine wrote:
> > "John Inzer" wrote:
> >
> >> Melissa in Maine wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Me again,
> >>> Can't find the ffdshow file in my mm program and wonder if it is
> >>> because I failed to specify that this is running on Vista (a program
> >>> I know even less about than XP).  Lots of filters under the
> >>> compatability tab....sadly, no ffdshow.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again
> >> ============================================
> >> Apparently it has not been installed on your system.
> >> Those are just general suggestions that don't apply to
> >> every system.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> John Inzer
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi again John,
> >
> > Sorry I was not clear in my earlier message(s).
> >
> > As I've been working on project, the program frequently "locks
> > up"---the little Vista "wheel" starts to spin, screen goes dim, then
> > I need to "restart" program.  In itself, this has been a nuisance.
> >
> > Now,  however, when  I "open" the project (timeline appears and it
> > looks as if all files/transitions/effects etc. are there)....I am
> > unable to get it to play in order to review it and continue editing.
> > I click the "play" button and nothing happens.
> >
> > I can still open and play other mm projects- even earlier versions of
> > the particular project that now, no longer plays.  It's as if this
> > particular project is "frozen".
> >
> > Thanks as always.....
> =====================================
> Maybe the file is corrupted. Or...as I told you...it
> may be a system resource issue or incompatible
> source files.
> 
> That's the best I can offer...sorry.
> 
> FWIW...creating large complex projects will often
> result in problems. Creating several smaller projects
> and combining them may be a better approach.
> 
> -- 
> 
> John Inzer
> 
> Good point.  I've been messing with it today and just deleted a pic and "play" button started working.  When I "undid" the delete, frozen again.  So, deleted another pic....worked until I restored the pic.  Finally deleted pic then re-imported it and now the whole thing works.  Go figure....I have no idea why.

Again, thank you for all you help and advice....will be cleaning up disc as 
well as your other suggestions.

On a totally different subject....can you tell me why, when editing, the 
titles placed on the clip seem to NOT adjust to clip properties i.e. make a 
clip shorter...title doesn't "move" with it and ends up appearing on the next 
clip unless I manually move it.

Do I need to complete  ALL video/audio edition/transitions and effects 
before adding title and title animation to clips in order to avoid this 
problem?

And again.......THANK YOU!  I appreciate all your help.  


>
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:34:21 -0700   author:   Melissa in Maine

Re: MM "locks" up   
Melissa in Maine wrote:
>> Good point.  I've been messing with it today and just deleted a pic
>> and "play" button started working.  When I "undid" the delete,
>> frozen again.  So, deleted another pic....worked until I restored
>> the pic.  Finally deleted pic then re-imported it and now the whole
>> thing works.  Go figure....I have no idea why.
==========================================
Sometimes experimentation is the best way to solve issues.

If removing the files from the project and reimporting again
solves the issue it would indicate that you may have some
corruption with some of the source files.
===========================================
> Again, thank you for all you help and advice....will be cleaning up
> disc as well as your other suggestions.
===========================================
You're welcome. A clean up to date system is the
best environment for video editing.
===========================================
> On a totally different subject....can you tell me why, when editing,
> the titles placed on the clip seem to NOT adjust to clip properties
> i.e. make a clip shorter...title doesn't "move" with it and ends up
> appearing on the next clip unless I manually move it.
===========================================
Once added to the project...a title becomes a separate
source file on the Title/Overlay track.

Sounds like the duration of the Title is greater than the
duration of the clip. In timeline view...move your pointer
around on the edge of a clip or a title until you see a double
red arrow. Now drag the double red arrow...you'll see a
tooltip that shows the duration changing.
===========================================
> Do I need to complete  ALL video/audio edition/transitions and effects
> before adding title and title animation to clips in order to avoid
> this problem?
>
> And again.......THANK YOU!  I appreciate all your help.
=======================================
I don't think so...my advice would be to limit the complexity
of your projects. The more transitions/effects/etc...you add
the better your chances for problems.

-- 

John Inzer
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:11:36 -0400   author:   John Inzer

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