Hello.

Using HIS2000.

I have a number of individual (non-pooled) LUAs which are assigned to the 
TN3270 service.  I've created an LUA pool to isolate of few LUAs for another 
applications.  If I assign this LUA pool to the TN3270 service, does it 
append the new LUA pool to the service or will it replace the LUAs already 
assigned to the service?

Thank you.
Gary

Gary,

It will append to the list of LUs already assigned to the TN3270 service. 
After adding the pool, the TN3270 service will have all the individual LUs, 
plus the LU Pools as available resources.

Note: You should not assign LUs to the TN3270 service if they are contained 
in the pool. The reason is that if a user gets the individual LU from the 
TN3270 service, that LU will not be available for use in the Pool.

Thanks...

-- 
Stephen Jackson
Microsoft® HIS Support

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"Gary"  wrote in message 
news:eDReiEo4IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hello.
>
> Using HIS2000.
>
> I have a number of individual (non-pooled) LUAs which are assigned to the 
> TN3270 service.  I've created an LUA pool to isolate of few LUAs for 
> another applications.  If I assign this LUA pool to the TN3270 service, 
> does it append the new LUA pool to the service or will it replace the LUAs 
> already assigned to the service?
>
> Thank you.
> Gary
>
>

Thank you.

To unassign the LUs from the TN3270 service so that they will only be in the 
pool, do I have to delete them and add them back?  Or is there a simple 
'unassign' option that I'm not seeing?  When I deleted them from the 
service, it changed the icon of the LUA in the pool, so I thought maybe I 
was doing something wrong.

The app I'm using (Zephyr's Passport Web to Host) seems to let me specify a 
specific resource name and properly connects to it when it it is an LUA, but 
doesn't seem to be able to connect to the resouce name when it is the name 
of the LUA pool, so I may need to change my approach on this anyways.  (Not 
expecting you to have the answer to the Passport question.  I'll see if 
Zephyr has anything on that)

-Gary

"Stephen Jackson [MSFT]"  wrote in message 
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> Gary,
>
> It will append to the list of LUs already assigned to the TN3270 service. 
> After adding the pool, the TN3270 service will have all the individual 
> LUs, plus the LU Pools as available resources.
>
> Note: You should not assign LUs to the TN3270 service if they are 
> contained in the pool. The reason is that if a user gets the individual LU 
> from the TN3270 service, that LU will not be available for use in the 
> Pool.
>
> Thanks...
>
> -- 
> Stephen Jackson
> Microsoft® HIS Support
>
> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
> newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
> with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
>
> "Gary"  wrote in message 
> news:eDReiEo4IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hello.
>>
>> Using HIS2000.
>>
>> I have a number of individual (non-pooled) LUAs which are assigned to the 
>> TN3270 service.  I've created an LUA pool to isolate of few LUAs for 
>> another applications.  If I assign this LUA pool to the TN3270 service, 
>> does it append the new LUA pool to the service or will it replace the 
>> LUAs already assigned to the service?
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Gary
>>
>>

Gary,

To remove a LU or Pool from the TN3270 service, you need to "delete" it. 
This only removes the resource from the TN3270 service. It does not delete 
it from the HIS configuration. The icon for the LU will changed back to the 
standard LUA icon even when the LU is assigned to LUA Pool that is then 
assigned to the TN3270 service. The Pool should have an icon that looks like 
two computers when assigned to the TN3270 service.

Regarding Passport, I don't recall any TN3270 applications that can't use a 
pool name as the specific resource name instead of a LU name. It is possible 
that they expect the resource name that is configured to be the same as the 
name that is returned from the TN3270 Server. In the case of a pool, the 
TN3270 Server receives the pool name and then replies with the name of the 
LU that is selected from the pool.

-- 
Stephen Jackson
Microsoft® HIS Support

Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
with no warranties, and confers no rights.


"Gary"  wrote in message 
news:u5iVEZn5IHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Thank you.
>
> To unassign the LUs from the TN3270 service so that they will only be in 
> the pool, do I have to delete them and add them back?  Or is there a 
> simple 'unassign' option that I'm not seeing?  When I deleted them from 
> the service, it changed the icon of the LUA in the pool, so I thought 
> maybe I was doing something wrong.
>
> The app I'm using (Zephyr's Passport Web to Host) seems to let me specify 
> a specific resource name and properly connects to it when it it is an LUA, 
> but doesn't seem to be able to connect to the resouce name when it is the 
> name of the LUA pool, so I may need to change my approach on this anyways. 
> (Not expecting you to have the answer to the Passport question.  I'll see 
> if Zephyr has anything on that)
>
> -Gary
>
> "Stephen Jackson [MSFT]"  wrote in message 
> news:4B95AE1B-0DE0-4B45-B1E9-02AA95B58AA4@microsoft.com...
>> Gary,
>>
>> It will append to the list of LUs already assigned to the TN3270 service. 
>> After adding the pool, the TN3270 service will have all the individual 
>> LUs, plus the LU Pools as available resources.
>>
>> Note: You should not assign LUs to the TN3270 service if they are 
>> contained in the pool. The reason is that if a user gets the individual 
>> LU from the TN3270 service, that LU will not be available for use in the 
>> Pool.
>>
>> Thanks...
>>
>> -- 
>> Stephen Jackson
>> Microsoft® HIS Support
>>
>> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
>> newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
>> with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>>
>>
>> "Gary"  wrote in message 
>> news:eDReiEo4IHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> Using HIS2000.
>>>
>>> I have a number of individual (non-pooled) LUAs which are assigned to 
>>> the TN3270 service.  I've created an LUA pool to isolate of few LUAs for 
>>> another applications.  If I assign this LUA pool to the TN3270 service, 
>>> does it append the new LUA pool to the service or will it replace the 
>>> LUAs already assigned to the service?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>
>

Thanks for all the help Stephen.  It looks like I finally have success. 
Everything sems to be working, even using the LUA pool name as the resource 
name.  The only concern, if I can call it that, is with some of the icons 
now showing next to the LUs.

Here is the process I followed to get this to work.

1. Create new LUA pool BLDG1.
2. Delete LUAs E082, E083, E084 from TN3270 service.
3. From SNA Service [Active] -> Connections -> SNA1 [Active], assigned E082, 
E083, E084 to BLDG1 pool.
4. Assigned BLDG1 pool to TN3270 service.
5. Saved configuration.

The icon for the BLDG1 LUA pool shows up as two computers in both under the 
TN3270 service and the pools.  In the list of SNA1 connections however, the 
icons for the LUAs (E082-E084) now show up as a generic icon and not not the 
usual LUA icon.  The icon displayed is the simple 'window box' -- a square 
with a blue bar across the top.

Since it's working the way we'd like, I'm not going to back everything out 
simply becuase of the icons, but is this how the icons should be displayed 
after following the steps above to remove them from the TN3270 service and 
assign them to a pool?

Thanks again.
Gary


"Stephen Jackson [MSFT]"  wrote in message 
news:1FC25D95-E352-4FA1-8130-E24E376B33C7@microsoft.com...
> Gary,
>
> To remove a LU or Pool from the TN3270 service, you need to "delete" it. 
> This only removes the resource from the TN3270 service. It does not delete 
> it from the HIS configuration. The icon for the LU will changed back to 
> the standard LUA icon even when the LU is assigned to LUA Pool that is 
> then assigned to the TN3270 service. The Pool should have an icon that 
> looks like two computers when assigned to the TN3270 service.
>
> Regarding Passport, I don't recall any TN3270 applications that can't use 
> a pool name as the specific resource name instead of a LU name. It is 
> possible that they expect the resource name that is configured to be the 
> same as the name that is returned from the TN3270 Server. In the case of a 
> pool, the TN3270 Server receives the pool name and then replies with the 
> name of the LU that is selected from the pool.
>
> -- 
> Stephen Jackson
> Microsoft® HIS Support
>
> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
> newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
> with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>

<snip>

I apparently spoke too soon.

When I got to the office this morning, two users who should have known 
nothing of the existence of the BLDG1 pool were connected to the two LUAs 
defined to it.  I double-checked and I did in fact remove those two LUAs 
from the TN3270 service, so they should have only existed in the pool (and 
the overall HIS configuration.)

I suppose I could restrict the users who can connect to this pool via IP 
addresses, but I am wondering why other users found this pool and were able 
to use up the all the LUs defined to it despite not having anything 
directing them to the pool.

Is it because there were no IP restrictions, essentially rendering this pool 
as a wide open set of LUAs which anyone could access, whether they knew it 
existed or not?

Should I have stopped/started the SNA and/or TN3270 service anywhere in this 
process of the creation of the pool and the assignment of the LUAs to the 
pool?

Thanks.
Gary


"Gary"  wrote in message 
news:%23U1Xgoz5IHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for all the help Stephen.  It looks like I finally have success. 
> Everything sems to be working, even using the LUA pool name as the 
> resource name.  The only concern, if I can call it that, is with some of 
> the icons now showing next to the LUs.
>
> Here is the process I followed to get this to work.
>
> 1. Create new LUA pool BLDG1.
> 2. Delete LUAs E082, E083, E084 from TN3270 service.
> 3. From SNA Service [Active] -> Connections -> SNA1 [Active], assigned 
> E082, E083, E084 to BLDG1 pool.
> 4. Assigned BLDG1 pool to TN3270 service.
> 5. Saved configuration.
>
> The icon for the BLDG1 LUA pool shows up as two computers in both under 
> the TN3270 service and the pools.  In the list of SNA1 connections 
> however, the icons for the LUAs (E082-E084) now show up as a generic icon 
> and not not the usual LUA icon.  The icon displayed is the simple 'window 
> box' -- a square with a blue bar across the top.
>
> Since it's working the way we'd like, I'm not going to back everything out 
> simply becuase of the icons, but is this how the icons should be displayed 
> after following the steps above to remove them from the TN3270 service and 
> assign them to a pool?
>
> Thanks again.
> Gary
>
>
> "Stephen Jackson [MSFT]"  wrote in message 
> news:1FC25D95-E352-4FA1-8130-E24E376B33C7@microsoft.com...
>> Gary,
>>
>> To remove a LU or Pool from the TN3270 service, you need to "delete" it. 
>> This only removes the resource from the TN3270 service. It does not 
>> delete it from the HIS configuration. The icon for the LU will changed 
>> back to the standard LUA icon even when the LU is assigned to LUA Pool 
>> that is then assigned to the TN3270 service. The Pool should have an icon 
>> that looks like two computers when assigned to the TN3270 service.
>>
>> Regarding Passport, I don't recall any TN3270 applications that can't use 
>> a pool name as the specific resource name instead of a LU name. It is 
>> possible that they expect the resource name that is configured to be the 
>> same as the name that is returned from the TN3270 Server. In the case of 
>> a pool, the TN3270 Server receives the pool name and then replies with 
>> the name of the LU that is selected from the pool.
>>
>> -- 
>> Stephen Jackson
>> Microsoft® HIS Support
>>
>> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
>> newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
>> with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>>
>
> <snip>
>
>

Gary - I'd have bounced the TN3270 service after removing the LUA's/pools.
 
> Should I have stopped/started the SNA and/or TN3270 service anywhere in this 
> process of the creation of the pool and the assignment of the LUAs to the 
> pool?

 Neil Pike.  Protech Computing Ltd
 Microsoft SNA/HIS MVP
 https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=BE66F0D8-9D78-47EF-840A-08E6D8522A2D
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/neilpike

-- 
Stephen Jackson
Microsoft® HIS Support

Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
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"Stephen Jackson [MSFT]"  wrote in message 
news:3572F6BB-9F9A-497F-895D-E93916FEE24B@microsoft.com...
> Gary,
>
> This would be expected. If the TN3270 Server receives a session request 
> where the device name is blank, this is considered a "generic" request. 
> Any TN270 LU or Pool that is defined as a "generic display" can be used to 
> satisfy that request. The following article that I wrote many years ago 
> kind of covers this scenario:
>
> 259910 How to Use Session Request Types to Control Access to TN3270 
> Sessions
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;259910
>
> If you want to restrict access to the Pool, you will need to do this as 
> described in the previous article. In other words, you can make the pool a 
> "Specific display" in the Pool properties under the TN3270 tab using the 
> Type option. If you do this, no one should be able to access the pool 
> unless the session request specifies the pool name specifically.
>
> The other option is to use Workstation Names or IP Address restrictions to 
> restrict access to the pool.
>
> BTW - My LUA LUs under my host connections use a square icon with a blue 
> bar across the top. 3270 Display LUs have an icon that looks like a 
> keyboard and monitor.
>
> -- 
> Stephen Jackson
> Microsoft® HIS Support
>
> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
> newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
> with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
>
> "Gary"  wrote in message 
> news:uC5vlA25IHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I apparently spoke too soon.
>>
>> When I got to the office this morning, two users who should have known 
>> nothing of the existence of the BLDG1 pool were connected to the two LUAs 
>> defined to it.  I double-checked and I did in fact remove those two LUAs 
>> from the TN3270 service, so they should have only existed in the pool 
>> (and the overall HIS configuration.)
>>
>> I suppose I could restrict the users who can connect to this pool via IP 
>> addresses, but I am wondering why other users found this pool and were 
>> able to use up the all the LUs defined to it despite not having anything 
>> directing them to the pool.
>>
>> Is it because there were no IP restrictions, essentially rendering this 
>> pool as a wide open set of LUAs which anyone could access, whether they 
>> knew it existed or not?
>>
>> Should I have stopped/started the SNA and/or TN3270 service anywhere in 
>> this process of the creation of the pool and the assignment of the LUAs 
>> to the pool?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> "Gary"  wrote in message 
>> news:%23U1Xgoz5IHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks for all the help Stephen.  It looks like I finally have success. 
>>> Everything sems to be working, even using the LUA pool name as the 
>>> resource name.  The only concern, if I can call it that, is with some of 
>>> the icons now showing next to the LUs.
>>>
>>> Here is the process I followed to get this to work.
>>>
>>> 1. Create new LUA pool BLDG1.
>>> 2. Delete LUAs E082, E083, E084 from TN3270 service.
>>> 3. From SNA Service [Active] -> Connections -> SNA1 [Active], assigned 
>>> E082, E083, E084 to BLDG1 pool.
>>> 4. Assigned BLDG1 pool to TN3270 service.
>>> 5. Saved configuration.
>>>
>>> The icon for the BLDG1 LUA pool shows up as two computers in both under 
>>> the TN3270 service and the pools.  In the list of SNA1 connections 
>>> however, the icons for the LUAs (E082-E084) now show up as a generic 
>>> icon and not not the usual LUA icon.  The icon displayed is the simple 
>>> 'window box' -- a square with a blue bar across the top.
>>>
>>> Since it's working the way we'd like, I'm not going to back everything 
>>> out simply becuase of the icons, but is this how the icons should be 
>>> displayed after following the steps above to remove them from the TN3270 
>>> service and assign them to a pool?
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> "Stephen Jackson [MSFT]"  wrote in 
>>> message news:1FC25D95-E352-4FA1-8130-E24E376B33C7@microsoft.com...
>>>> Gary,
>>>>
>>>> To remove a LU or Pool from the TN3270 service, you need to "delete" 
>>>> it. This only removes the resource from the TN3270 service. It does not 
>>>> delete it from the HIS configuration. The icon for the LU will changed 
>>>> back to the standard LUA icon even when the LU is assigned to LUA Pool 
>>>> that is then assigned to the TN3270 service. The Pool should have an 
>>>> icon that looks like two computers when assigned to the TN3270 service.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding Passport, I don't recall any TN3270 applications that can't 
>>>> use a pool name as the specific resource name instead of a LU name. It 
>>>> is possible that they expect the resource name that is configured to be 
>>>> the same as the name that is returned from the TN3270 Server. In the 
>>>> case of a pool, the TN3270 Server receives the pool name and then 
>>>> replies with the name of the LU that is selected from the pool.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Stephen Jackson
>>>> Microsoft® HIS Support
>>>>
>>>> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
>>>> newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
>>>> with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Thanks for the information.  I've changed the display type to specific and 
added in IP address restrictions, though since we use DHCP they had to be at 
the subnet level and not the specific IP.  I'll see how things look this 
morning.

-Gary

"Stephen Jackson [MSFT]"  wrote in message 
news:ODEZ4zB6IHA.192@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
> -- 
> Stephen Jackson
> Microsoft® HIS Support
>
> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
> newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
> with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
>
> "Stephen Jackson [MSFT]"  wrote in message 
> news:3572F6BB-9F9A-497F-895D-E93916FEE24B@microsoft.com...
>> Gary,
>>
>> This would be expected. If the TN3270 Server receives a session request 
>> where the device name is blank, this is considered a "generic" request. 
>> Any TN270 LU or Pool that is defined as a "generic display" can be used 
>> to satisfy that request. The following article that I wrote many years 
>> ago kind of covers this scenario:
>>
>> 259910 How to Use Session Request Types to Control Access to TN3270 
>> Sessions
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;259910
>>
>> If you want to restrict access to the Pool, you will need to do this as 
>> described in the previous article. In other words, you can make the pool 
>> a "Specific display" in the Pool properties under the TN3270 tab using 
>> the Type option. If you do this, no one should be able to access the pool 
>> unless the session request specifies the pool name specifically.
>>
>> The other option is to use Workstation Names or IP Address restrictions 
>> to restrict access to the pool.
>>
>> BTW - My LUA LUs under my host connections use a square icon with a blue 
>> bar across the top. 3270 Display LUs have an icon that looks like a 
>> keyboard and monitor.
>>
>> -- 
>> Stephen Jackson
>> Microsoft® HIS Support
>>
>> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
>> newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
>> with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>>
>>
>> "Gary"  wrote in message 
>> news:uC5vlA25IHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> I apparently spoke too soon.
>>>
>>> When I got to the office this morning, two users who should have known 
>>> nothing of the existence of the BLDG1 pool were connected to the two 
>>> LUAs defined to it.  I double-checked and I did in fact remove those two 
>>> LUAs from the TN3270 service, so they should have only existed in the 
>>> pool (and the overall HIS configuration.)
>>>
>>> I suppose I could restrict the users who can connect to this pool via IP 
>>> addresses, but I am wondering why other users found this pool and were 
>>> able to use up the all the LUs defined to it despite not having anything 
>>> directing them to the pool.
>>>
>>> Is it because there were no IP restrictions, essentially rendering this 
>>> pool as a wide open set of LUAs which anyone could access, whether they 
>>> knew it existed or not?
>>>
>>> Should I have stopped/started the SNA and/or TN3270 service anywhere in 
>>> this process of the creation of the pool and the assignment of the LUAs 
>>> to the pool?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary"  wrote in message 
>>> news:%23U1Xgoz5IHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Thanks for all the help Stephen.  It looks like I finally have success. 
>>>> Everything sems to be working, even using the LUA pool name as the 
>>>> resource name.  The only concern, if I can call it that, is with some 
>>>> of the icons now showing next to the LUs.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the process I followed to get this to work.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Create new LUA pool BLDG1.
>>>> 2. Delete LUAs E082, E083, E084 from TN3270 service.
>>>> 3. From SNA Service [Active] -> Connections -> SNA1 [Active], assigned 
>>>> E082, E083, E084 to BLDG1 pool.
>>>> 4. Assigned BLDG1 pool to TN3270 service.
>>>> 5. Saved configuration.
>>>>
>>>> The icon for the BLDG1 LUA pool shows up as two computers in both under 
>>>> the TN3270 service and the pools.  In the list of SNA1 connections 
>>>> however, the icons for the LUAs (E082-E084) now show up as a generic 
>>>> icon and not not the usual LUA icon.  The icon displayed is the simple 
>>>> 'window box' -- a square with a blue bar across the top.
>>>>
>>>> Since it's working the way we'd like, I'm not going to back everything 
>>>> out simply becuase of the icons, but is this how the icons should be 
>>>> displayed after following the steps above to remove them from the 
>>>> TN3270 service and assign them to a pool?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Stephen Jackson [MSFT]"  wrote in 
>>>> message news:1FC25D95-E352-4FA1-8130-E24E376B33C7@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>
>>>>> To remove a LU or Pool from the TN3270 service, you need to "delete" 
>>>>> it. This only removes the resource from the TN3270 service. It does 
>>>>> not delete it from the HIS configuration. The icon for the LU will 
>>>>> changed back to the standard LUA icon even when the LU is assigned to 
>>>>> LUA Pool that is then assigned to the TN3270 service. The Pool should 
>>>>> have an icon that looks like two computers when assigned to the TN3270 
>>>>> service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding Passport, I don't recall any TN3270 applications that can't 
>>>>> use a pool name as the specific resource name instead of a LU name. It 
>>>>> is possible that they expect the resource name that is configured to 
>>>>> be the same as the name that is returned from the TN3270 Server. In 
>>>>> the case of a pool, the TN3270 Server receives the pool name and then 
>>>>> replies with the name of the LU that is selected from the pool.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Stephen Jackson
>>>>> Microsoft® HIS Support
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
>>>>> newsgroup purposes only. This posting is provided "AS IS"
>>>>> with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>