Hi,

I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server standard 
edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server maintenance.

Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs the 
Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using Eseutil.exe 
only defrags the database files where as the Windows defrag utility defrags 
the whole drive.  Is there a problem with running the Windows defrag utility 
on the drive with the Exchange data store?

Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, what's the 
best way to do this?

Thanks in advance,
Linn

Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that hold your 
Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily online maintenance which 
you can check by searching for Event ID 1221.

http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx

-- 
John Oliver, Jr
MCSE, MCT, CCNA
Exchange MVP 2007
Microsoft Certified Partner


"Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server standard 
> edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server maintenance.
>
> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs the 
> Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using Eseutil.exe 
> only defrags the database files where as the Windows defrag utility 
> defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with running the Windows 
> defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange data store?
>
> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, what's the 
> best way to do this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Linn
>
>
>
>

Man, that's a tough one.  In the link you sent me are differing opinions. 
For now I'll take the path of least effort and not worry about file-level 
defrag.

Is it possible to change the time of the daily online maintenance?  I notice 
that it defrags the public store multiple times a day.  Is there anyway to 
control this?

Thanks,
Linn

"John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
news:2130EC1A-A8F5-4F2C-9BED-58EA0034DDAD@microsoft.com...
> Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that hold 
> your Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily online 
> maintenance which you can check by searching for Event ID 1221.
>
> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx
>
> -- 
> John Oliver, Jr
> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
> Exchange MVP 2007
> Microsoft Certified Partner
>
>
> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
> news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server standard 
>> edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server maintenance.
>>
>> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs the 
>> Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using Eseutil.exe 
>> only defrags the database files where as the Windows defrag utility 
>> defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with running the Windows 
>> defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange data store?
>>
>> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, what's the 
>> best way to do this?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Linn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

I personally do not defrag Exchange volumes at the file level but if you 
must just move the database files to another volume before defrag as 
suggested in the link.  As for changing the daily maintenance routine, you 
can adjust the schedule

1. Start Exchange System Manager.
2. Expand Administrative Groups, expand Your_Administrative_Group, and then 
expand Servers.
3. Expand Your_Server_Name, and then expand Your_Storage_Group.
4. Right-click the mailbox store object that you want, and then click 
Properties.
5. Click the Database tab.
6. In the Maintenance interval box, click an appropriate schedule. (Note: 
Click Customize if you want to customize the schedule.)
7. Click OK.
8. Exit Exchange System Manager.

-- 
John Oliver, Jr
MCSE, MCT, CCNA
Exchange MVP 2007
Microsoft Certified Partner


"Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
news:%23Aw8pjoWHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Man, that's a tough one.  In the link you sent me are differing opinions. 
> For now I'll take the path of least effort and not worry about file-level 
> defrag.
>
> Is it possible to change the time of the daily online maintenance?  I 
> notice that it defrags the public store multiple times a day.  Is there 
> anyway to control this?
>
> Thanks,
> Linn
>
> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
> news:2130EC1A-A8F5-4F2C-9BED-58EA0034DDAD@microsoft.com...
>> Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that hold 
>> your Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily online 
>> maintenance which you can check by searching for Event ID 1221.
>>
>> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx
>>
>> -- 
>> John Oliver, Jr
>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>> Exchange MVP 2007
>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>
>>
>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>> news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server standard 
>>> edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server maintenance.
>>>
>>> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs the 
>>> Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using 
>>> Eseutil.exe only defrags the database files where as the Windows defrag 
>>> utility defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with running the 
>>> Windows defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange data store?
>>>
>>> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, what's 
>>> the best way to do this?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Linn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Ok, cool.  I can see why they schedule the maintenance to run each day but 
why would they run it at 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5:00am each day?  Isn't once a day 
sufficient?

Does it matter that the mailbox store and the public folders store have 
excatly the same schedule?

And lastly, why is it that when looking at the log files the mail box store 
runs only once while the public folders store runs multiple times?

Thanks,
Linn

"John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
news:C56B7382-0109-4C0F-958C-DC302042A8F2@microsoft.com...
>I personally do not defrag Exchange volumes at the file level but if you 
>must just move the database files to another volume before defrag as 
>suggested in the link.  As for changing the daily maintenance routine, you 
>can adjust the schedule
>
> 1. Start Exchange System Manager.
> 2. Expand Administrative Groups, expand Your_Administrative_Group, and 
> then expand Servers.
> 3. Expand Your_Server_Name, and then expand Your_Storage_Group.
> 4. Right-click the mailbox store object that you want, and then click 
> Properties.
> 5. Click the Database tab.
> 6. In the Maintenance interval box, click an appropriate schedule. (Note: 
> Click Customize if you want to customize the schedule.)
> 7. Click OK.
> 8. Exit Exchange System Manager.
>
> -- 
> John Oliver, Jr
> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
> Exchange MVP 2007
> Microsoft Certified Partner
>
>
> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
> news:%23Aw8pjoWHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Man, that's a tough one.  In the link you sent me are differing opinions. 
>> For now I'll take the path of least effort and not worry about file-level 
>> defrag.
>>
>> Is it possible to change the time of the daily online maintenance?  I 
>> notice that it defrags the public store multiple times a day.  Is there 
>> anyway to control this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Linn
>>
>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>> news:2130EC1A-A8F5-4F2C-9BED-58EA0034DDAD@microsoft.com...
>>> Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that hold 
>>> your Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily online 
>>> maintenance which you can check by searching for Event ID 1221.
>>>
>>> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>
>>>
>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>> news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server standard 
>>>> edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server maintenance.
>>>>
>>>> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs the 
>>>> Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using 
>>>> Eseutil.exe only defrags the database files where as the Windows defrag 
>>>> utility defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with running the 
>>>> Windows defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange data store?
>>>>
>>>> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, what's 
>>>> the best way to do this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Linn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

I beleive its set to run between 1-5 AM once during that time slot.  Same 
schedule is fine for both stores.  What log files are you referring too?

-- 
John Oliver, Jr
MCSE, MCT, CCNA
Exchange MVP 2007
Microsoft Certified Partner


"Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
news:OEyRdlpWHHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Ok, cool.  I can see why they schedule the maintenance to run each day but 
> why would they run it at 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5:00am each day?  Isn't once a day 
> sufficient?
>
> Does it matter that the mailbox store and the public folders store have 
> excatly the same schedule?
>
> And lastly, why is it that when looking at the log files the mail box 
> store runs only once while the public folders store runs multiple times?
>
> Thanks,
> Linn
>
> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
> news:C56B7382-0109-4C0F-958C-DC302042A8F2@microsoft.com...
>>I personally do not defrag Exchange volumes at the file level but if you 
>>must just move the database files to another volume before defrag as 
>>suggested in the link.  As for changing the daily maintenance routine, you 
>>can adjust the schedule
>>
>> 1. Start Exchange System Manager.
>> 2. Expand Administrative Groups, expand Your_Administrative_Group, and 
>> then expand Servers.
>> 3. Expand Your_Server_Name, and then expand Your_Storage_Group.
>> 4. Right-click the mailbox store object that you want, and then click 
>> Properties.
>> 5. Click the Database tab.
>> 6. In the Maintenance interval box, click an appropriate schedule. (Note: 
>> Click Customize if you want to customize the schedule.)
>> 7. Click OK.
>> 8. Exit Exchange System Manager.
>>
>> -- 
>> John Oliver, Jr
>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>> Exchange MVP 2007
>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>
>>
>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>> news:%23Aw8pjoWHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Man, that's a tough one.  In the link you sent me are differing 
>>> opinions. For now I'll take the path of least effort and not worry about 
>>> file-level defrag.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to change the time of the daily online maintenance?  I 
>>> notice that it defrags the public store multiple times a day.  Is there 
>>> anyway to control this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Linn
>>>
>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>> news:2130EC1A-A8F5-4F2C-9BED-58EA0034DDAD@microsoft.com...
>>>> Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that hold 
>>>> your Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily online 
>>>> maintenance which you can check by searching for Event ID 1221.
>>>>
>>>> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server standard 
>>>>> edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server maintenance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs the 
>>>>> Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using 
>>>>> Eseutil.exe only defrags the database files where as the Windows 
>>>>> defrag utility defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with 
>>>>> running the Windows defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange data 
>>>>> store?
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, what's 
>>>>> the best way to do this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Linn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

The application event log files for event 1221.  Each night I get 4 from the 
MSExchangeIs Public Store and 1 from MSExchangeIs Mailbox Store.  The Public 
Store logs happen at 1:00am, 2:15am, 3:19am and 4:16am roughly.  The Mailbox 
Store is at 1:40am roughly.

All the Public Store entries say basically the same thing:
The datase "First Storage Group\Public Folder Store(CMW-EXCH)" has 42 
megabytes of free space after online defragmentation has terminated.

Thanks much,
Linn

"John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
news:8C805565-0757-49E6-9E20-70778EDF0F53@microsoft.com...
>I beleive its set to run between 1-5 AM once during that time slot.  Same 
>schedule is fine for both stores.  What log files are you referring too?
>
> -- 
> John Oliver, Jr
> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
> Exchange MVP 2007
> Microsoft Certified Partner
>
>
> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
> news:OEyRdlpWHHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Ok, cool.  I can see why they schedule the maintenance to run each day 
>> but why would they run it at 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5:00am each day?  Isn't once 
>> a day sufficient?
>>
>> Does it matter that the mailbox store and the public folders store have 
>> excatly the same schedule?
>>
>> And lastly, why is it that when looking at the log files the mail box 
>> store runs only once while the public folders store runs multiple times?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Linn
>>
>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>> news:C56B7382-0109-4C0F-958C-DC302042A8F2@microsoft.com...
>>>I personally do not defrag Exchange volumes at the file level but if you 
>>>must just move the database files to another volume before defrag as 
>>>suggested in the link.  As for changing the daily maintenance routine, 
>>>you can adjust the schedule
>>>
>>> 1. Start Exchange System Manager.
>>> 2. Expand Administrative Groups, expand Your_Administrative_Group, and 
>>> then expand Servers.
>>> 3. Expand Your_Server_Name, and then expand Your_Storage_Group.
>>> 4. Right-click the mailbox store object that you want, and then click 
>>> Properties.
>>> 5. Click the Database tab.
>>> 6. In the Maintenance interval box, click an appropriate schedule. 
>>> (Note: Click Customize if you want to customize the schedule.)
>>> 7. Click OK.
>>> 8. Exit Exchange System Manager.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>
>>>
>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>> news:%23Aw8pjoWHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Man, that's a tough one.  In the link you sent me are differing 
>>>> opinions. For now I'll take the path of least effort and not worry 
>>>> about file-level defrag.
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to change the time of the daily online maintenance?  I 
>>>> notice that it defrags the public store multiple times a day.  Is there 
>>>> anyway to control this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Linn
>>>>
>>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:2130EC1A-A8F5-4F2C-9BED-58EA0034DDAD@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that hold 
>>>>> your Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily online 
>>>>> maintenance which you can check by searching for Event ID 1221.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server standard 
>>>>>> edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server maintenance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs the 
>>>>>> Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using 
>>>>>> Eseutil.exe only defrags the database files where as the Windows 
>>>>>> defrag utility defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with 
>>>>>> running the Windows defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange 
>>>>>> data store?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, what's 
>>>>>> the best way to do this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>> Linn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

You could adjust the PF store settings to once a night.  No need for it to 
run 4 four times.

-- 
John Oliver, Jr
MCSE, MCT, CCNA
Exchange MVP 2007
Microsoft Certified Partner


"Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
news:%23mYDsLrWHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> The application event log files for event 1221.  Each night I get 4 from 
> the MSExchangeIs Public Store and 1 from MSExchangeIs Mailbox Store.  The 
> Public Store logs happen at 1:00am, 2:15am, 3:19am and 4:16am roughly. 
> The Mailbox Store is at 1:40am roughly.
>
> All the Public Store entries say basically the same thing:
> The datase "First Storage Group\Public Folder Store(CMW-EXCH)" has 42 
> megabytes of free space after online defragmentation has terminated.
>
> Thanks much,
> Linn
>
> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
> news:8C805565-0757-49E6-9E20-70778EDF0F53@microsoft.com...
>>I beleive its set to run between 1-5 AM once during that time slot.  Same 
>>schedule is fine for both stores.  What log files are you referring too?
>>
>> -- 
>> John Oliver, Jr
>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>> Exchange MVP 2007
>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>
>>
>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>> news:OEyRdlpWHHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Ok, cool.  I can see why they schedule the maintenance to run each day 
>>> but why would they run it at 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5:00am each day?  Isn't once 
>>> a day sufficient?
>>>
>>> Does it matter that the mailbox store and the public folders store have 
>>> excatly the same schedule?
>>>
>>> And lastly, why is it that when looking at the log files the mail box 
>>> store runs only once while the public folders store runs multiple times?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Linn
>>>
>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>> news:C56B7382-0109-4C0F-958C-DC302042A8F2@microsoft.com...
>>>>I personally do not defrag Exchange volumes at the file level but if you 
>>>>must just move the database files to another volume before defrag as 
>>>>suggested in the link.  As for changing the daily maintenance routine, 
>>>>you can adjust the schedule
>>>>
>>>> 1. Start Exchange System Manager.
>>>> 2. Expand Administrative Groups, expand Your_Administrative_Group, and 
>>>> then expand Servers.
>>>> 3. Expand Your_Server_Name, and then expand Your_Storage_Group.
>>>> 4. Right-click the mailbox store object that you want, and then click 
>>>> Properties.
>>>> 5. Click the Database tab.
>>>> 6. In the Maintenance interval box, click an appropriate schedule. 
>>>> (Note: Click Customize if you want to customize the schedule.)
>>>> 7. Click OK.
>>>> 8. Exit Exchange System Manager.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:%23Aw8pjoWHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Man, that's a tough one.  In the link you sent me are differing 
>>>>> opinions. For now I'll take the path of least effort and not worry 
>>>>> about file-level defrag.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to change the time of the daily online maintenance?  I 
>>>>> notice that it defrags the public store multiple times a day.  Is 
>>>>> there anyway to control this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Linn
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:2130EC1A-A8F5-4F2C-9BED-58EA0034DDAD@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that 
>>>>>> hold your Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily online 
>>>>>> maintenance which you can check by searching for Event ID 1221.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server standard 
>>>>>>> edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server maintenance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs 
>>>>>>> the Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using 
>>>>>>> Eseutil.exe only defrags the database files where as the Windows 
>>>>>>> defrag utility defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with 
>>>>>>> running the Windows defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange 
>>>>>>> data store?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, 
>>>>>>> what's the best way to do this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>> Linn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

John,

How do I configure this?  Just simply limit it to one hour?  I don't see any 
other setting that looks obvious.

Thanks,
Linn

"John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
news:0E33AA50-1C01-43F0-B4CD-2DEC1FC87994@microsoft.com...
> You could adjust the PF store settings to once a night.  No need for it to 
> run 4 four times.
>
> -- 
> John Oliver, Jr
> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
> Exchange MVP 2007
> Microsoft Certified Partner
>
>
> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
> news:%23mYDsLrWHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> The application event log files for event 1221.  Each night I get 4 from 
>> the MSExchangeIs Public Store and 1 from MSExchangeIs Mailbox Store.  The 
>> Public Store logs happen at 1:00am, 2:15am, 3:19am and 4:16am roughly. 
>> The Mailbox Store is at 1:40am roughly.
>>
>> All the Public Store entries say basically the same thing:
>> The datase "First Storage Group\Public Folder Store(CMW-EXCH)" has 42 
>> megabytes of free space after online defragmentation has terminated.
>>
>> Thanks much,
>> Linn
>>
>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>> news:8C805565-0757-49E6-9E20-70778EDF0F53@microsoft.com...
>>>I beleive its set to run between 1-5 AM once during that time slot.  Same 
>>>schedule is fine for both stores.  What log files are you referring too?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>
>>>
>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>> news:OEyRdlpWHHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Ok, cool.  I can see why they schedule the maintenance to run each day 
>>>> but why would they run it at 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5:00am each day?  Isn't 
>>>> once a day sufficient?
>>>>
>>>> Does it matter that the mailbox store and the public folders store have 
>>>> excatly the same schedule?
>>>>
>>>> And lastly, why is it that when looking at the log files the mail box 
>>>> store runs only once while the public folders store runs multiple 
>>>> times?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Linn
>>>>
>>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:C56B7382-0109-4C0F-958C-DC302042A8F2@microsoft.com...
>>>>>I personally do not defrag Exchange volumes at the file level but if 
>>>>>you must just move the database files to another volume before defrag 
>>>>>as suggested in the link.  As for changing the daily maintenance 
>>>>>routine, you can adjust the schedule
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Start Exchange System Manager.
>>>>> 2. Expand Administrative Groups, expand Your_Administrative_Group, and 
>>>>> then expand Servers.
>>>>> 3. Expand Your_Server_Name, and then expand Your_Storage_Group.
>>>>> 4. Right-click the mailbox store object that you want, and then click 
>>>>> Properties.
>>>>> 5. Click the Database tab.
>>>>> 6. In the Maintenance interval box, click an appropriate schedule. 
>>>>> (Note: Click Customize if you want to customize the schedule.)
>>>>> 7. Click OK.
>>>>> 8. Exit Exchange System Manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:%23Aw8pjoWHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Man, that's a tough one.  In the link you sent me are differing 
>>>>>> opinions. For now I'll take the path of least effort and not worry 
>>>>>> about file-level defrag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible to change the time of the daily online maintenance?  I 
>>>>>> notice that it defrags the public store multiple times a day.  Is 
>>>>>> there anyway to control this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Linn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:2130EC1A-A8F5-4F2C-9BED-58EA0034DDAD@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that 
>>>>>>> hold your Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily online 
>>>>>>> maintenance which you can check by searching for Event ID 1221.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server 
>>>>>>>> standard edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server 
>>>>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs 
>>>>>>>> the Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using 
>>>>>>>> Eseutil.exe only defrags the database files where as the Windows 
>>>>>>>> defrag utility defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with 
>>>>>>>> running the Windows defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange 
>>>>>>>> data store?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, 
>>>>>>>> what's the best way to do this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>> Linn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Yes, just select 1 hour in the grid the apply.  Verify the next morning the 
schedule has taken effect.

-- 
John Oliver, Jr
MCSE, MCT, CCNA
Exchange MVP 2007
Microsoft Certified Partner


"Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
news:erjNZCsWHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> John,
>
> How do I configure this?  Just simply limit it to one hour?  I don't see 
> any other setting that looks obvious.
>
> Thanks,
> Linn
>
> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
> news:0E33AA50-1C01-43F0-B4CD-2DEC1FC87994@microsoft.com...
>> You could adjust the PF store settings to once a night.  No need for it 
>> to run 4 four times.
>>
>> -- 
>> John Oliver, Jr
>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>> Exchange MVP 2007
>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>
>>
>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>> news:%23mYDsLrWHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> The application event log files for event 1221.  Each night I get 4 from 
>>> the MSExchangeIs Public Store and 1 from MSExchangeIs Mailbox Store. 
>>> The Public Store logs happen at 1:00am, 2:15am, 3:19am and 4:16am 
>>> roughly. The Mailbox Store is at 1:40am roughly.
>>>
>>> All the Public Store entries say basically the same thing:
>>> The datase "First Storage Group\Public Folder Store(CMW-EXCH)" has 42 
>>> megabytes of free space after online defragmentation has terminated.
>>>
>>> Thanks much,
>>> Linn
>>>
>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>> news:8C805565-0757-49E6-9E20-70778EDF0F53@microsoft.com...
>>>>I beleive its set to run between 1-5 AM once during that time slot. 
>>>>Same schedule is fine for both stores.  What log files are you referring 
>>>>too?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:OEyRdlpWHHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Ok, cool.  I can see why they schedule the maintenance to run each day 
>>>>> but why would they run it at 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5:00am each day?  Isn't 
>>>>> once a day sufficient?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it matter that the mailbox store and the public folders store 
>>>>> have excatly the same schedule?
>>>>>
>>>>> And lastly, why is it that when looking at the log files the mail box 
>>>>> store runs only once while the public folders store runs multiple 
>>>>> times?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Linn
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:C56B7382-0109-4C0F-958C-DC302042A8F2@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>I personally do not defrag Exchange volumes at the file level but if 
>>>>>>you must just move the database files to another volume before defrag 
>>>>>>as suggested in the link.  As for changing the daily maintenance 
>>>>>>routine, you can adjust the schedule
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Start Exchange System Manager.
>>>>>> 2. Expand Administrative Groups, expand Your_Administrative_Group, 
>>>>>> and then expand Servers.
>>>>>> 3. Expand Your_Server_Name, and then expand Your_Storage_Group.
>>>>>> 4. Right-click the mailbox store object that you want, and then click 
>>>>>> Properties.
>>>>>> 5. Click the Database tab.
>>>>>> 6. In the Maintenance interval box, click an appropriate schedule. 
>>>>>> (Note: Click Customize if you want to customize the schedule.)
>>>>>> 7. Click OK.
>>>>>> 8. Exit Exchange System Manager.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:%23Aw8pjoWHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Man, that's a tough one.  In the link you sent me are differing 
>>>>>>> opinions. For now I'll take the path of least effort and not worry 
>>>>>>> about file-level defrag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it possible to change the time of the daily online maintenance? 
>>>>>>> I notice that it defrags the public store multiple times a day.  Is 
>>>>>>> there anyway to control this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Linn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:2130EC1A-A8F5-4F2C-9BED-58EA0034DDAD@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that 
>>>>>>>> hold your Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily 
>>>>>>>> online maintenance which you can check by searching for Event ID 
>>>>>>>> 1221.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>>>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>>>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server 
>>>>>>>>> standard edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server 
>>>>>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs 
>>>>>>>>> the Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using 
>>>>>>>>> Eseutil.exe only defrags the database files where as the Windows 
>>>>>>>>> defrag utility defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with 
>>>>>>>>> running the Windows defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange 
>>>>>>>>> data store?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, 
>>>>>>>>> what's the best way to do this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>> Linn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Will do, thanks.  The reason I'm looking at this is because of a tape backup 
issue.  I'm using Backup Exec and my exchange server is the media server.  I 
run full backups 6 nights of the week, it's what my management wants.  But 
for some reason, on Thursday and Friday the backup of the Exchange server 
takes 12 hours rather than the normal 4.5 - 5 hours.  Just trying to figure 
out why.

Backup Exec tech support suggested defraging both the Exhange system and 
file level.  There has to be some process running on those days that's 
causing the slow down but I cannot figure it out.

Thanks for the help John, we'll see if that changes anything tomorrow 
morning.
Linn

"John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
news:88A3ED33-A643-4586-AFB2-A557BD92BFBC@microsoft.com...
> Yes, just select 1 hour in the grid the apply.  Verify the next morning 
> the schedule has taken effect.
>
> -- 
> John Oliver, Jr
> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
> Exchange MVP 2007
> Microsoft Certified Partner
>
>
> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
> news:erjNZCsWHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> John,
>>
>> How do I configure this?  Just simply limit it to one hour?  I don't see 
>> any other setting that looks obvious.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Linn
>>
>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>> news:0E33AA50-1C01-43F0-B4CD-2DEC1FC87994@microsoft.com...
>>> You could adjust the PF store settings to once a night.  No need for it 
>>> to run 4 four times.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>
>>>
>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>> news:%23mYDsLrWHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> The application event log files for event 1221.  Each night I get 4 
>>>> from the MSExchangeIs Public Store and 1 from MSExchangeIs Mailbox 
>>>> Store. The Public Store logs happen at 1:00am, 2:15am, 3:19am and 
>>>> 4:16am roughly. The Mailbox Store is at 1:40am roughly.
>>>>
>>>> All the Public Store entries say basically the same thing:
>>>> The datase "First Storage Group\Public Folder Store(CMW-EXCH)" has 42 
>>>> megabytes of free space after online defragmentation has terminated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks much,
>>>> Linn
>>>>
>>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:8C805565-0757-49E6-9E20-70778EDF0F53@microsoft.com...
>>>>>I beleive its set to run between 1-5 AM once during that time slot. 
>>>>>Same schedule is fine for both stores.  What log files are you 
>>>>>referring too?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:OEyRdlpWHHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Ok, cool.  I can see why they schedule the maintenance to run each 
>>>>>> day but why would they run it at 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5:00am each day? 
>>>>>> Isn't once a day sufficient?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it matter that the mailbox store and the public folders store 
>>>>>> have excatly the same schedule?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And lastly, why is it that when looking at the log files the mail box 
>>>>>> store runs only once while the public folders store runs multiple 
>>>>>> times?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Linn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:C56B7382-0109-4C0F-958C-DC302042A8F2@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>I personally do not defrag Exchange volumes at the file level but if 
>>>>>>>you must just move the database files to another volume before defrag 
>>>>>>>as suggested in the link.  As for changing the daily maintenance 
>>>>>>>routine, you can adjust the schedule
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Start Exchange System Manager.
>>>>>>> 2. Expand Administrative Groups, expand Your_Administrative_Group, 
>>>>>>> and then expand Servers.
>>>>>>> 3. Expand Your_Server_Name, and then expand Your_Storage_Group.
>>>>>>> 4. Right-click the mailbox store object that you want, and then 
>>>>>>> click Properties.
>>>>>>> 5. Click the Database tab.
>>>>>>> 6. In the Maintenance interval box, click an appropriate schedule. 
>>>>>>> (Note: Click Customize if you want to customize the schedule.)
>>>>>>> 7. Click OK.
>>>>>>> 8. Exit Exchange System Manager.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:%23Aw8pjoWHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Man, that's a tough one.  In the link you sent me are differing 
>>>>>>>> opinions. For now I'll take the path of least effort and not worry 
>>>>>>>> about file-level defrag.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it possible to change the time of the daily online maintenance? 
>>>>>>>> I notice that it defrags the public store multiple times a day.  Is 
>>>>>>>> there anyway to control this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Linn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John Oliver, Jr. [MVP]"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>> news:2130EC1A-A8F5-4F2C-9BED-58EA0034DDAD@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>> Its generally not recommended to defrag your Windows Volumes that 
>>>>>>>>> hold your Exchange databases and files.   Exchange runs daily 
>>>>>>>>> online maintenance which you can check by searching for Event ID 
>>>>>>>>> 1221.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> John Oliver, Jr
>>>>>>>>> MCSE, MCT, CCNA
>>>>>>>>> Exchange MVP 2007
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Partner
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Linn Kubler"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>>>> news:ehT8Ec1VHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm running Exchange 2003 standard on a Windows 2003 Server 
>>>>>>>>>> standard edition.  I'm just wondering about some basic server 
>>>>>>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could someone compare and contrast the Exchange defrag process vs 
>>>>>>>>>> the Windows disk defrag?  I understand that Exchange defrag using 
>>>>>>>>>> Eseutil.exe only defrags the database files where as the Windows 
>>>>>>>>>> defrag utility defrags the whole drive.  Is there a problem with 
>>>>>>>>>> running the Windows defrag utility on the drive with the Exchange 
>>>>>>>>>> data store?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Should I consider scheduling these kinds of operations, if so, 
>>>>>>>>>> what's the best way to do this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>>> Linn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>