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date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:12:02 -0700,    group: microsoft.public.exchange2000.general        back       


NDR for unknown email   
I have a distribution list for my enitre organization and when I send an 
email to this list I get a NDR message from an Internet Address.  I have 
checked through my AD but cannot find a listing for this email address (it is 
not a contact or alias).  I have checked the email header and it says the 
message is to this outside address.  Is there anyway I can determine where 
this is coming from.

Thanks
ACE
date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:12:02 -0700   author:   ace95hockey alias

Re: NDR for unknown email   
In news:2F964CD6-158F-481A-A1EC-077356BEE0E1@microsoft.com,
ace95hockey <ace95hockey@news.postalias> typed:
> I have a distribution list for my enitre organization and when I send
> an email to this list I get a NDR message from an Internet Address.
> I have checked through my AD but cannot find a listing for this email
> address (it is not a contact or alias).  I have checked the email
> header and it says the message is to this outside address.  Is there
> anyway I can determine where this is coming from.
>
> Thanks
> ACE

What mail headers are you looking at, and from where? If you search for the 
address in ADUC, do you find anything?

Perhaps someone has a rule set up to autoforward something in Outlook? I'm 
not sure if the latter would do this, as I never enable autoforward to the 
internet anyway, but it might be something to look at.
date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:34:44 -0400   author:   Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]

Re: NDR for unknown email   
Hi ACE,

Thanks for posting here. Great Info, Lanwench!

According to your description, I am afraid I am not clear what Internet 
Address is. Do you mean a SMTP address like postmaster@domain.com? In order 
to have a more concrete idea about this issue, please let us know the exact 
Internet Address. 

Meanwhile, I do agree with Lanwench that if one of the members in the list 
has a Forwarding Rule to forward mails to an Internet Address, the NDR will 
be returned to you if the Internet Address is not available. 

Please let us know information so that we can provide further assistance. 
Thanks and have a nice day!

Lee Li

Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

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date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:56:00 GMT   author:   (Lee Li [MSFT])

Re: NDR for unknown email   
The email address is an smtp address jblake5@ibm.net.  The email headers I 
was looking at were from the NDR.  I thought that it may be a user who has 
their email forwarded to an Internet address.  I have searched through ADUC 
and have not been able to find anything that listed that smtp address.  Is 
there any way to determine if a user has such a rule and how can I prevent 
forwarding to the Internet

Thanks
ACE

"Lee Li [MSFT]" wrote:

> Hi ACE,
> 
> Thanks for posting here. Great Info, Lanwench!
> 
> According to your description, I am afraid I am not clear what Internet 
> Address is. Do you mean a SMTP address like postmaster@domain.com? In order 
> to have a more concrete idea about this issue, please let us know the exact 
> Internet Address. 
> 
> Meanwhile, I do agree with Lanwench that if one of the members in the list 
> has a Forwarding Rule to forward mails to an Internet Address, the NDR will 
> be returned to you if the Internet Address is not available. 
> 
> Please let us know information so that we can provide further assistance. 
> Thanks and have a nice day!
> 
> Lee Li
> 
> Microsoft Online Partner Support
> 
> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> 
> =====================================================
> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so 
> that others may learn and benefit from your issue. 
> =====================================================
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> 
>
date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:58:02 -0700   author:   ace95hockey alias

Re: NDR for unknown email   
In news:9E49EFC1-721C-429C-9C47-CC11D88BE383@microsoft.com,
ace95hockey <ace95hockey@news.postalias> typed:
> The email address is an smtp address jblake5@ibm.net.  The email
> headers I was looking at were from the NDR.  I thought that it may be
> a user who has their email forwarded to an Internet address.  I have
> searched through ADUC and have not been able to find anything that
> listed that smtp address.  Is there any way to determine if a user
> has such a rule

I don't know how you could do that from the server, using built in tools - 
mdbvue?

> and how can I prevent forwarding to the Internet

Someone must've enabled it, as it's disabled by default. In ESM, go to 
Global Settings\Internet Message Formats\<properties of default or whatever 
you've got in there> - advanced tab, and see what's ticked/unticked at the 
bottom. Also make sure autoreply is disabled.
>
> Thanks
> ACE
>
> "Lee Li [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>> Hi ACE,
>>
>> Thanks for posting here. Great Info, Lanwench!
>>
>> According to your description, I am afraid I am not clear what
>> Internet Address is. Do you mean a SMTP address like
>> postmaster@domain.com? In order to have a more concrete idea about
>> this issue, please let us know the exact Internet Address.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I do agree with Lanwench that if one of the members in
>> the list has a Forwarding Rule to forward mails to an Internet
>> Address, the NDR will be returned to you if the Internet Address is
>> not available.
>>
>> Please let us know information so that we can provide further
>> assistance. Thanks and have a nice day!
>>
>> Lee Li
>>
>> Microsoft Online Partner Support
>>
>> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>>
>> =====================================================
>> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your
>> newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
>> =====================================================
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:49:58 -0400   author:   Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]

Re: NDR for unknown email   
They group before me has opened everything up under those options to allow 
auto replies and auto forwards.  I doubt I will be able to remove these 
settings now without a fight but I would really like to at least find the 
account that is forwarding to a non-existent account.  Any information or 
tools would help.

Thanks
ACE

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> 
> 
> In news:9E49EFC1-721C-429C-9C47-CC11D88BE383@microsoft.com,
> ace95hockey <ace95hockey@news.postalias> typed:
> > The email address is an smtp address jblake5@ibm.net.  The email
> > headers I was looking at were from the NDR.  I thought that it may be
> > a user who has their email forwarded to an Internet address.  I have
> > searched through ADUC and have not been able to find anything that
> > listed that smtp address.  Is there any way to determine if a user
> > has such a rule
> 
> I don't know how you could do that from the server, using built in tools - 
> mdbvue?
> 
> > and how can I prevent forwarding to the Internet
> 
> Someone must've enabled it, as it's disabled by default. In ESM, go to 
> Global Settings\Internet Message Formats\<properties of default or whatever 
> you've got in there> - advanced tab, and see what's ticked/unticked at the 
> bottom. Also make sure autoreply is disabled.
> >
> > Thanks
> > ACE
> >
> > "Lee Li [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi ACE,
> >>
> >> Thanks for posting here. Great Info, Lanwench!
> >>
> >> According to your description, I am afraid I am not clear what
> >> Internet Address is. Do you mean a SMTP address like
> >> postmaster@domain.com? In order to have a more concrete idea about
> >> this issue, please let us know the exact Internet Address.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, I do agree with Lanwench that if one of the members in
> >> the list has a Forwarding Rule to forward mails to an Internet
> >> Address, the NDR will be returned to you if the Internet Address is
> >> not available.
> >>
> >> Please let us know information so that we can provide further
> >> assistance. Thanks and have a nice day!
> >>
> >> Lee Li
> >>
> >> Microsoft Online Partner Support
> >>
> >> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> >>
> >> =====================================================
> >> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your
> >> newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
> >> =====================================================
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights. 
> 
> 
>
date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:33:02 -0700   author:   ace95hockey alias

Re: NDR for unknown email   
In news:39DC8D2D-AD8A-44B8-88F6-50BF04E215AD@microsoft.com,
ace95hockey <ace95hockey@news.postalias> typed:
> They group before me has opened everything up under those options to
> allow auto replies and auto forwards.  I doubt I will be able to
> remove these settings now without a fight but I would really like to
> at least find the account that is forwarding to a non-existent
> account.  Any information or tools would help.

I don't know how you'll be able to do that easily, unless you disable the 
settings that the group before you (quite foolishly) opened up, and see who 
complains.

Re the fight - explain to the powers that be that autoreply, especially, is 
*really* dangerous, as it could bring a mighty server to its knees....think 
about what happens when autoreply meets autoreply. I don't see the need for 
autoforward. If a user needs something forwarded, and management doesn't 
mind, I set it up with a contact.
>
> Thanks
> ACE
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In news:9E49EFC1-721C-429C-9C47-CC11D88BE383@microsoft.com,
>> ace95hockey <ace95hockey@news.postalias> typed:
>>> The email address is an smtp address jblake5@ibm.net.  The email
>>> headers I was looking at were from the NDR.  I thought that it may
>>> be a user who has their email forwarded to an Internet address.  I
>>> have searched through ADUC and have not been able to find anything
>>> that listed that smtp address.  Is there any way to determine if a
>>> user has such a rule
>>
>> I don't know how you could do that from the server, using built in
>> tools - mdbvue?
>>
>>> and how can I prevent forwarding to the Internet
>>
>> Someone must've enabled it, as it's disabled by default. In ESM, go
>> to Global Settings\Internet Message Formats\<properties of default
>> or whatever you've got in there> - advanced tab, and see what's
>> ticked/unticked at the bottom. Also make sure autoreply is disabled.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> ACE
>>>
>>> "Lee Li [MSFT]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi ACE,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting here. Great Info, Lanwench!
>>>>
>>>> According to your description, I am afraid I am not clear what
>>>> Internet Address is. Do you mean a SMTP address like
>>>> postmaster@domain.com? In order to have a more concrete idea about
>>>> this issue, please let us know the exact Internet Address.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, I do agree with Lanwench that if one of the members in
>>>> the list has a Forwarding Rule to forward mails to an Internet
>>>> Address, the NDR will be returned to you if the Internet Address is
>>>> not available.
>>>>
>>>> Please let us know information so that we can provide further
>>>> assistance. Thanks and have a nice day!
>>>>
>>>> Lee Li
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Online Partner Support
>>>>
>>>> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>>>>
>>>> =====================================================
>>>> When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your
>>>> newsreader so that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
>>>> =====================================================
>>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>> rights.
date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:56:29 -0400   author:   Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]

Re: NDR for unknown email   
Hi ACE,

I suggest you enable message tracking to check the mail and NDR. Here are 
the detailed steps of enabling message tracking:
1. Start Exchange System Manager.
2. Right click the server on which you intend to enable tracking. and then 
click Properties.
3. On the General tab, click to select the Enable Message Tracking check 
box, and then click to select the Enable subject logging and display check 
box.
4. Ensure that the log file maintenance information suits the needs for 
logging. NOTE: By default, log files older than seven days are deleted.

After that, reproduce the issue, and then check all the messages in message 
tracking center. I suppose you should find the mail which is sent to 
jblake5@ibm.net and then you can know the sender. 

Hope it helps. Have a good day.

Sincerely,
John Chen, MCSE, MCSA, MCDBA, MCSD
Microsoft Online Partner Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

=====================================================
When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via
your newsreader so that others may learn and benefit
from your issue. 
=====================================================

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:23:42 GMT   author:   (John Chen [MSFT])

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