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date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:46:36 -0500,    group: microsoft.public.exchange2000.development        back       


OOF and event sinks   
I'm trying to architect a solution to handle OOF notifications to the Internet.  I have two options I'm reviewing:

- delete outgoing OOF notifications if the e-mail address does not match a "white list" (stored in a database).  Would require an SMTP event sink, and assumes I can detect the message class as being IPM.Note.Rules.OofTemplate.Microsoft
- bypass OOF from even firing by intercepting an incoming message in a store-wide synchronous sink - if sender e-mail doesn't match the white list, delete before it is committed.  Can the OOF rule be bypassed in this situation?  This method is preferred because my client already has a sink trapping incoming messages and moving non white-list e-mails into Inbox subfolders.  However, I assume that since these e-mails are still generating OOF notifications that the OOF rule is processed before the store receives the item - but how can that be possible??

Thoughts?

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Blog: http://blogs.officezealot.com/legault 
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date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:46:36 -0500   author:   Eric Legault [MVP - Outlook]

Re: OOF and event sinks   
Hi Eric,

on my test Exchange 2003 server OOF is processed before the store event is 
fired. I have no idea why it happened.
So it seems your only option is deleting outgoing OOF messages.

Regards,
Victor Ivanidze

"Eric Legault [MVP - Outlook]"  wrote in 
message news:eVwfT7C0FHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
I'm trying to architect a solution to handle OOF notifications to the 
Internet.  I have two options I'm reviewing:

- delete outgoing OOF notifications if the e-mail address does not match a 
"white list" (stored in a database).  Would require an SMTP event sink, and 
assumes I can detect the message class as being 
IPM.Note.Rules.OofTemplate.Microsoft
- bypass OOF from even firing by intercepting an incoming message in a 
store-wide synchronous sink - if sender e-mail doesn't match the white list, 
delete before it is committed.  Can the OOF rule be bypassed in this 
situation?  This method is preferred because my client already has a sink 
trapping incoming messages and moving non white-list e-mails into Inbox 
subfolders.  However, I assume that since these e-mails are still generating 
OOF notifications that the OOF rule is processed before the store receives 
the item - but how can that be possible??

Thoughts?

--
Eric Legault (MVP - Outlook, MCDBA, old school WOSA MCSD, B.A.)
Blog: http://blogs.officezealot.com/legault
Try Picture Attachments Wizard for Outlook!
http://www.collaborativeinnovations.ca
date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:49:02 +0400   author:   Victor Ivanidze se

Re: OOF and event sinks   
Thanks Victor.  But this begs the question: if an event sink deletes an
e-mail that is destined for a mailbox that has OOF turned on, and OOF has
already been processed, then OOF should *NOT* go out, but they probably will
be sent!

You'd think the item would have to be committed to the Inbox before OOF is
processed...

-- 
Eric Legault (MVP - Outlook, MCDBA, old school WOSA MCSD, B.A.)
Blog: http://blogs.officezealot.com/legault
Try Picture Attachments Wizard for Outlook!
http://www.collaborativeinnovations.ca

"Victor Ivanidze" <no@spam.please> wrote in message
news:ebErs5M0FHA.2884@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi Eric,
>
> on my test Exchange 2003 server OOF is processed before the store event is
> fired. I have no idea why it happened.
> So it seems your only option is deleting outgoing OOF messages.
>
> Regards,
> Victor Ivanidze
>
> "Eric Legault [MVP - Outlook]"  wrote in
> message news:eVwfT7C0FHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I'm trying to architect a solution to handle OOF notifications to the
> Internet.  I have two options I'm reviewing:
>
> - delete outgoing OOF notifications if the e-mail address does not match a
> "white list" (stored in a database).  Would require an SMTP event sink,
and
> assumes I can detect the message class as being
> IPM.Note.Rules.OofTemplate.Microsoft
> - bypass OOF from even firing by intercepting an incoming message in a
> store-wide synchronous sink - if sender e-mail doesn't match the white
list,
> delete before it is committed.  Can the OOF rule be bypassed in this
> situation?  This method is preferred because my client already has a sink
> trapping incoming messages and moving non white-list e-mails into Inbox
> subfolders.  However, I assume that since these e-mails are still
generating
> OOF notifications that the OOF rule is processed before the store receives
> the item - but how can that be possible??
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> Eric Legault (MVP - Outlook, MCDBA, old school WOSA MCSD, B.A.)
> Blog: http://blogs.officezealot.com/legault
> Try Picture Attachments Wizard for Outlook!
> http://www.collaborativeinnovations.ca
>
>
date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:31:31 -0500   author:   Eric Legault [MVP - Outlook]

Re: OOF and event sinks   
From what I remember, OOF is like a rule and rules are processed before 
event sinks which would cause the behavior you're seeing.  Weird, yes but 
works as expected :)

Tom

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"Eric Legault [MVP - Outlook]"  wrote in 
message news:e98na$y0FHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Victor.  But this begs the question: if an event sink deletes an
> e-mail that is destined for a mailbox that has OOF turned on, and OOF has
> already been processed, then OOF should *NOT* go out, but they probably 
> will
> be sent!
>
> You'd think the item would have to be committed to the Inbox before OOF is
> processed...
>
> -- 
> Eric Legault (MVP - Outlook, MCDBA, old school WOSA MCSD, B.A.)
> Blog: http://blogs.officezealot.com/legault
> Try Picture Attachments Wizard for Outlook!
> http://www.collaborativeinnovations.ca
>
> "Victor Ivanidze" <no@spam.please> wrote in message
> news:ebErs5M0FHA.2884@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> on my test Exchange 2003 server OOF is processed before the store event 
>> is
>> fired. I have no idea why it happened.
>> So it seems your only option is deleting outgoing OOF messages.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Victor Ivanidze
>>
>> "Eric Legault [MVP - Outlook]"  wrote in
>> message news:eVwfT7C0FHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> I'm trying to architect a solution to handle OOF notifications to the
>> Internet.  I have two options I'm reviewing:
>>
>> - delete outgoing OOF notifications if the e-mail address does not match 
>> a
>> "white list" (stored in a database).  Would require an SMTP event sink,
> and
>> assumes I can detect the message class as being
>> IPM.Note.Rules.OofTemplate.Microsoft
>> - bypass OOF from even firing by intercepting an incoming message in a
>> store-wide synchronous sink - if sender e-mail doesn't match the white
> list,
>> delete before it is committed.  Can the OOF rule be bypassed in this
>> situation?  This method is preferred because my client already has a sink
>> trapping incoming messages and moving non white-list e-mails into Inbox
>> subfolders.  However, I assume that since these e-mails are still
> generating
>> OOF notifications that the OOF rule is processed before the store 
>> receives
>> the item - but how can that be possible??
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> Eric Legault (MVP - Outlook, MCDBA, old school WOSA MCSD, B.A.)
>> Blog: http://blogs.officezealot.com/legault
>> Try Picture Attachments Wizard for Outlook!
>> http://www.collaborativeinnovations.ca
>>
>>
>
>
date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:39:53 -0700   author:   Tom Rizzo [MSFT]

Re: OOF and event sinks   
Eric,

I do not catch your point. You mean that OOF address matches "white list" 
but original message is deleted by other store event sink? Then outgoing OOF 
will be generated, but you're bothering about that? External Internet 
recipient has to receive OOF despite of any action on your side, and he'll 
receive it.  Or I missing something?

Regards,
Victor



"Eric Legault [MVP - Outlook]"  wrote in 
message news:e98na$y0FHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Victor.  But this begs the question: if an event sink deletes an
> e-mail that is destined for a mailbox that has OOF turned on, and OOF has
> already been processed, then OOF should *NOT* go out, but they probably 
> will
> be sent!
>
> You'd think the item would have to be committed to the Inbox before OOF is
> processed...
>
> -- 
> Eric Legault (MVP - Outlook, MCDBA, old school WOSA MCSD, B.A.)
> Blog: http://blogs.officezealot.com/legault
> Try Picture Attachments Wizard for Outlook!
> http://www.collaborativeinnovations.ca
>
> "Victor Ivanidze" <no@spam.please> wrote in message
> news:ebErs5M0FHA.2884@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> on my test Exchange 2003 server OOF is processed before the store event 
>> is
>> fired. I have no idea why it happened.
>> So it seems your only option is deleting outgoing OOF messages.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Victor Ivanidze
>>
>> "Eric Legault [MVP - Outlook]"  wrote in
>> message news:eVwfT7C0FHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> I'm trying to architect a solution to handle OOF notifications to the
>> Internet.  I have two options I'm reviewing:
>>
>> - delete outgoing OOF notifications if the e-mail address does not match 
>> a
>> "white list" (stored in a database).  Would require an SMTP event sink,
> and
>> assumes I can detect the message class as being
>> IPM.Note.Rules.OofTemplate.Microsoft
>> - bypass OOF from even firing by intercepting an incoming message in a
>> store-wide synchronous sink - if sender e-mail doesn't match the white
> list,
>> delete before it is committed.  Can the OOF rule be bypassed in this
>> situation?  This method is preferred because my client already has a sink
>> trapping incoming messages and moving non white-list e-mails into Inbox
>> subfolders.  However, I assume that since these e-mails are still
> generating
>> OOF notifications that the OOF rule is processed before the store 
>> receives
>> the item - but how can that be possible??
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> Eric Legault (MVP - Outlook, MCDBA, old school WOSA MCSD, B.A.)
>> Blog: http://blogs.officezealot.com/legault
>> Try Picture Attachments Wizard for Outlook!
>> http://www.collaborativeinnovations.ca
>>
>>
>
>
date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:34:59 +0400   author:   Victor Ivanidze se

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