I have a guy who's network I am setting up - part of which is 
SBS2003-Exchange (right now he gets all of his e-mail via POP3). The one 
piece of the puzzle I don't know is how the Blackberry works in the picture 
(I don't use one). From the brief amount I have read, it's e-mail gets 
pushed out to it but how does it work. My Dad had one and he pulled his off 
via POP3 but I assume that was not the correct way (he was always pi##ed 
off )? I read somewhere about their Enterprise manager - it sounded 
expensive for only one user. Do you need that? Any clues?

Thanks!

Arch

Hi Arch,

Exchange has built in support for Windows Mobile devices, such as Pocket PC 
and Pocket PC Phone edition, via activesync.

PPC phone edition 2003 would be roughly equivalent to Blackberry, in that 
it's also a cell phone. By roughly, I mean that Pocket Outlook that comes 
with PPC and Activesync does much more than just email - also syncs your 
contacts, tasks, etc.

SBS has a configuration tool that's installed on a users workstation - 
'Configure my Mobile Device' that makes configuring or reconfiguring the 
device dead simple.

Blackberry has sexy advertising, but when you have SBS then a Windows device 
is what you want for features and functionality.

-- 
Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
SBS Rocks !
----------------------
"Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll 
understand." - Confucius


"Arch Willingham"  wrote in message 
news:%23oZJj2bLGHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>I have a guy who's network I am setting up - part of which is 
>SBS2003-Exchange (right now he gets all of his e-mail via POP3). The one 
>piece of the puzzle I don't know is how the Blackberry works in the picture 
>(I don't use one). From the brief amount I have read, it's e-mail gets 
>pushed out to it but how does it work. My Dad had one and he pulled his off 
>via POP3 but I assume that was not the correct way (he was always pi##ed 
>off )? I read somewhere about their Enterprise manager - it sounded 
>expensive for only one user. Do you need that? Any clues?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Arch
>

10-4...that makes sense but what do I do about the Dude's blackberry? I 
can't make him change it.....can I integrate it in the mix?

Arch

"Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]"  
wrote in message news:eKt2l7bLGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hi Arch,
>
> Exchange has built in support for Windows Mobile devices, such as Pocket 
> PC and Pocket PC Phone edition, via activesync.
>
> PPC phone edition 2003 would be roughly equivalent to Blackberry, in that 
> it's also a cell phone. By roughly, I mean that Pocket Outlook that comes 
> with PPC and Activesync does much more than just email - also syncs your 
> contacts, tasks, etc.
>
> SBS has a configuration tool that's installed on a users workstation - 
> 'Configure my Mobile Device' that makes configuring or reconfiguring the 
> device dead simple.
>
> Blackberry has sexy advertising, but when you have SBS then a Windows 
> device is what you want for features and functionality.
>
> -- 
> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> SBS Rocks !
> ----------------------
> "Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll 
> understand." - Confucius
>
>
> "Arch Willingham"  wrote in message 
> news:%23oZJj2bLGHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>I have a guy who's network I am setting up - part of which is 
>>SBS2003-Exchange (right now he gets all of his e-mail via POP3). The one 
>>piece of the puzzle I don't know is how the Blackberry works in the 
>>picture (I don't use one). From the brief amount I have read, it's e-mail 
>>gets pushed out to it but how does it work. My Dad had one and he pulled 
>>his off via POP3 but I assume that was not the correct way (he was always 
>>pi##ed off )? I read somewhere about their Enterprise manager - it sounded 
>>expensive for only one user. Do you need that? Any clues?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Arch
>>
>
>

http://www.blackberry.com/products/software/server/exchange/index.shtml

A bit much for one device ...

RK


"Arch Willingham"  wrote in message 
news:Oo7YM%23bLGHA.1124@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> 10-4...that makes sense but what do I do about the Dude's blackberry? I 
> can't make him change it.....can I integrate it in the mix?
>
> Arch
>
> "Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]"  
> wrote in message news:eKt2l7bLGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Arch,
>>
>> Exchange has built in support for Windows Mobile devices, such as Pocket 
>> PC and Pocket PC Phone edition, via activesync.
>>
>> PPC phone edition 2003 would be roughly equivalent to Blackberry, in that 
>> it's also a cell phone. By roughly, I mean that Pocket Outlook that comes 
>> with PPC and Activesync does much more than just email - also syncs your 
>> contacts, tasks, etc.
>>
>> SBS has a configuration tool that's installed on a users workstation - 
>> 'Configure my Mobile Device' that makes configuring or reconfiguring the 
>> device dead simple.
>>
>> Blackberry has sexy advertising, but when you have SBS then a Windows 
>> device is what you want for features and functionality.
>>
>> -- 
>> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> SBS Rocks !
>> ----------------------
>> "Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll 
>> understand." - Confucius
>>
>>
>> "Arch Willingham"  wrote in message 
>> news:%23oZJj2bLGHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>I have a guy who's network I am setting up - part of which is 
>>>SBS2003-Exchange (right now he gets all of his e-mail via POP3). The one 
>>>piece of the puzzle I don't know is how the Blackberry works in the 
>>>picture (I don't use one). From the brief amount I have read, it's e-mail 
>>>gets pushed out to it but how does it work. My Dad had one and he pulled 
>>>his off via POP3 but I assume that was not the correct way (he was always 
>>>pi##ed off )? I read somewhere about their Enterprise manager - it 
>>>sounded expensive for only one user. Do you need that? Any clues?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Arch
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Arch,

You can either use the Desktop Redirector software that should come with the
Blackberry or use direct fail forwarding to the e-mail address provided by
the carrier (i..e Verizon, Cingular, etc...).

The Desktop Redirector run with Outlook (Outlook has to be always up and
running) that once mail comes into the Inbox it then pushes (forwards) it
out to the device. Works pretty well and again should come with the device.

Setting up mail forwrding is like for any other forward in Exchange. Setup
the e-mail as a contact and forward to that in the users Exchange setup.

You definetely do not need the Enterprise Server (BIG$$$) for one user.

Also as Les said if you have Windows Mobile device all the stuff you need to
connect it is already included in SBS/Exchange (SP2 I believe).

Good luck!

MG

"Arch Willingham"  wrote in message
news:Oo7YM%23bLGHA.1124@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> 10-4...that makes sense but what do I do about the Dude's blackberry? I
> can't make him change it.....can I integrate it in the mix?
>
> Arch
>
> "Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]" 
> wrote in message news:eKt2l7bLGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Arch,
> >
> > Exchange has built in support for Windows Mobile devices, such as Pocket
> > PC and Pocket PC Phone edition, via activesync.
> >
> > PPC phone edition 2003 would be roughly equivalent to Blackberry, in
that
> > it's also a cell phone. By roughly, I mean that Pocket Outlook that
comes
> > with PPC and Activesync does much more than just email - also syncs your
> > contacts, tasks, etc.
> >
> > SBS has a configuration tool that's installed on a users workstation -
> > 'Configure my Mobile Device' that makes configuring or reconfiguring the
> > device dead simple.
> >
> > Blackberry has sexy advertising, but when you have SBS then a Windows
> > device is what you want for features and functionality.
> >
> > -- 
> > Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > SBS Rocks !
> > ----------------------
> > "Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll
> > understand." - Confucius
> >
> >
> > "Arch Willingham"  wrote in message
> > news:%23oZJj2bLGHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >>I have a guy who's network I am setting up - part of which is
> >>SBS2003-Exchange (right now he gets all of his e-mail via POP3). The one
> >>piece of the puzzle I don't know is how the Blackberry works in the
> >>picture (I don't use one). From the brief amount I have read, it's
e-mail
> >>gets pushed out to it but how does it work. My Dad had one and he pulled
> >>his off via POP3 but I assume that was not the correct way (he was
always
> >>pi##ed off )? I read somewhere about their Enterprise manager - it
sounded
> >>expensive for only one user. Do you need that? Any clues?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Arch
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

$3,000 for one user?!?!?


"RonK"  wrote in message 
news:uz5xpGcLGHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> http://www.blackberry.com/products/software/server/exchange/index.shtml
>
> A bit much for one device ...
>
> RK
>
>
> "Arch Willingham"  wrote in message 
> news:Oo7YM%23bLGHA.1124@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> 10-4...that makes sense but what do I do about the Dude's blackberry? I 
>> can't make him change it.....can I integrate it in the mix?
>>
>> Arch
>>
>> "Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]"  
>> wrote in message news:eKt2l7bLGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Arch,
>>>
>>> Exchange has built in support for Windows Mobile devices, such as Pocket 
>>> PC and Pocket PC Phone edition, via activesync.
>>>
>>> PPC phone edition 2003 would be roughly equivalent to Blackberry, in 
>>> that it's also a cell phone. By roughly, I mean that Pocket Outlook that 
>>> comes with PPC and Activesync does much more than just email - also 
>>> syncs your contacts, tasks, etc.
>>>
>>> SBS has a configuration tool that's installed on a users workstation - 
>>> 'Configure my Mobile Device' that makes configuring or reconfiguring the 
>>> device dead simple.
>>>
>>> Blackberry has sexy advertising, but when you have SBS then a Windows 
>>> device is what you want for features and functionality.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>> SBS Rocks !
>>> ----------------------
>>> "Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll 
>>> understand." - Confucius
>>>
>>>
>>> "Arch Willingham"  wrote in message 
>>> news:%23oZJj2bLGHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>I have a guy who's network I am setting up - part of which is 
>>>>SBS2003-Exchange (right now he gets all of his e-mail via POP3). The one 
>>>>piece of the puzzle I don't know is how the Blackberry works in the 
>>>>picture (I don't use one). From the brief amount I have read, it's 
>>>>e-mail gets pushed out to it but how does it work. My Dad had one and he 
>>>>pulled his off via POP3 but I assume that was not the correct way (he 
>>>>was always pi##ed off )? I read somewhere about their Enterprise 
>>>>manager - it sounded expensive for only one user. Do you need that? Any 
>>>>clues?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Arch
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

The forward procedure sounds pretty easy!

Arch

"M.Gardner"  wrote in message 
news:OsvA3JcLGHA.208@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Arch,
>
> You can either use the Desktop Redirector software that should come with 
> the
> Blackberry or use direct fail forwarding to the e-mail address provided by
> the carrier (i..e Verizon, Cingular, etc...).
>
> The Desktop Redirector run with Outlook (Outlook has to be always up and
> running) that once mail comes into the Inbox it then pushes (forwards) it
> out to the device. Works pretty well and again should come with the 
> device.
>
> Setting up mail forwrding is like for any other forward in Exchange. Setup
> the e-mail as a contact and forward to that in the users Exchange setup.
>
> You definetely do not need the Enterprise Server (BIG$$$) for one user.
>
> Also as Les said if you have Windows Mobile device all the stuff you need 
> to
> connect it is already included in SBS/Exchange (SP2 I believe).
>
> Good luck!
>
> MG
>
> "Arch Willingham"  wrote in message
> news:Oo7YM%23bLGHA.1124@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> 10-4...that makes sense but what do I do about the Dude's blackberry? I
>> can't make him change it.....can I integrate it in the mix?
>>
>> Arch
>>
>> "Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]" 
>> wrote in message news:eKt2l7bLGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi Arch,
>> >
>> > Exchange has built in support for Windows Mobile devices, such as 
>> > Pocket
>> > PC and Pocket PC Phone edition, via activesync.
>> >
>> > PPC phone edition 2003 would be roughly equivalent to Blackberry, in
> that
>> > it's also a cell phone. By roughly, I mean that Pocket Outlook that
> comes
>> > with PPC and Activesync does much more than just email - also syncs 
>> > your
>> > contacts, tasks, etc.
>> >
>> > SBS has a configuration tool that's installed on a users workstation -
>> > 'Configure my Mobile Device' that makes configuring or reconfiguring 
>> > the
>> > device dead simple.
>> >
>> > Blackberry has sexy advertising, but when you have SBS then a Windows
>> > device is what you want for features and functionality.
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>> > SBS Rocks !
>> > ----------------------
>> > "Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and 
>> > I'll
>> > understand." - Confucius
>> >
>> >
>> > "Arch Willingham"  wrote in message
>> > news:%23oZJj2bLGHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >>I have a guy who's network I am setting up - part of which is
>> >>SBS2003-Exchange (right now he gets all of his e-mail via POP3). The 
>> >>one
>> >>piece of the puzzle I don't know is how the Blackberry works in the
>> >>picture (I don't use one). From the brief amount I have read, it's
> e-mail
>> >>gets pushed out to it but how does it work. My Dad had one and he 
>> >>pulled
>> >>his off via POP3 but I assume that was not the correct way (he was
> always
>> >>pi##ed off )? I read somewhere about their Enterprise manager - it
> sounded
>> >>expensive for only one user. Do you need that? Any clues?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Arch
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

In news:OgtBCDfLGHA.1124@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
Arch Willingham  typed:
> The forward procedure sounds pretty easy!

Yep - if he doesn't mind that his sent items will come from his BB address, 
and never make it to his sent items in outlook. And if he sends a message, a 
reply will go to his BB address.

>
> Arch
>
> "M.Gardner"  wrote in message
> news:OsvA3JcLGHA.208@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Arch,
>>
>> You can either use the Desktop Redirector software that should come
>> with the
>> Blackberry or use direct fail forwarding to the e-mail address
>> provided by the carrier (i..e Verizon, Cingular, etc...).
>>
>> The Desktop Redirector run with Outlook (Outlook has to be always up
>> and running) that once mail comes into the Inbox it then pushes
>> (forwards) it out to the device. Works pretty well and again should
>> come with the device.
>>
>> Setting up mail forwrding is like for any other forward in Exchange.
>> Setup the e-mail as a contact and forward to that in the users
>> Exchange setup. You definetely do not need the Enterprise Server (BIG$$$) 
>> for one
>> user. Also as Les said if you have Windows Mobile device all the stuff 
>> you
>> need to
>> connect it is already included in SBS/Exchange (SP2 I believe).
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> MG
>>
>> "Arch Willingham"  wrote in message
>> news:Oo7YM%23bLGHA.1124@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> 10-4...that makes sense but what do I do about the Dude's
>>> blackberry? I can't make him change it.....can I integrate it in
>>> the mix? Arch
>>>
>>> "Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]"
>>>  wrote in message
>>> news:eKt2l7bLGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi Arch,
>>>>
>>>> Exchange has built in support for Windows Mobile devices, such as
>>>> Pocket
>>>> PC and Pocket PC Phone edition, via activesync.
>>>>
>>>> PPC phone edition 2003 would be roughly equivalent to Blackberry,
>>>> in that it's also a cell phone. By roughly, I mean that Pocket
>>>> Outlook that comes with PPC and Activesync does much more than
>>>> just email - also syncs your
>>>> contacts, tasks, etc.
>>>>
>>>> SBS has a configuration tool that's installed on a users
>>>> workstation - 'Configure my Mobile Device' that makes configuring
>>>> or reconfiguring the
>>>> device dead simple.
>>>>
>>>> Blackberry has sexy advertising, but when you have SBS then a
>>>> Windows device is what you want for features and functionality.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> SBS Rocks !
>>>> ----------------------
>>>> "Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and
>>>> I'll
>>>> understand." - Confucius
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Arch Willingham"  wrote in message
>>>> news:%23oZJj2bLGHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I have a guy who's network I am setting up - part of which is
>>>>> SBS2003-Exchange (right now he gets all of his e-mail via POP3).
>>>>> The one
>>>>> piece of the puzzle I don't know is how the Blackberry works in
>>>>> the picture (I don't use one). From the brief amount I have read,
>>>>> it's e-mail gets pushed out to it but how does it work. My Dad
>>>>> had one and he pulled
>>>>> his off via POP3 but I assume that was not the correct way (he
>>>>> was always pi##ed off )? I read somewhere about their Enterprise
>>>>> manager - it sounded expensive for only one user. Do you need
>>>>> that? Any clues? Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Arch

Redirector instead of Desktop Client will integrate with Exchange using 
IMAP.  Included on install CD or available online as a download.

"Arch Willingham"  wrote in message 
news:%23oZJj2bLGHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
I have a guy who's network I am setting up - part of which is
SBS2003-Exchange (right now he gets all of his e-mail via POP3). The one
piece of the puzzle I don't know is how the Blackberry works in the picture
(I don't use one). From the brief amount I have read, it's e-mail gets
pushed out to it but how does it work. My Dad had one and he pulled his off
via POP3 but I assume that was not the correct way (he was always pi##ed
off )? I read somewhere about their Enterprise manager - it sounded
expensive for only one user. Do you need that? Any clues?

Thanks!

Arch

>Yep - if he doesn't mind that his sent items will come from his BB address, 
>and never make it to his sent items in outlook. And if he sends a message, a 
>reply will go to his BB address.

None of that is actually mandatory: you can easily set your Reply-To:
to your corporate address, and also use the 'CC Self' feature to
forward your outgoing messages to your corporate account (then sorting
them into your Sent Mail using Outlook rules).

In my experience, though I do use the Blackberry Enterprise Server
now, the major problem with the global server-side forward was simply
the volume of messages that a lot of users got -- mailing list
dispatches and so forth -- that they were willing to wade through on
their workstation, but not on their device's little screen.  The
alternative of using the Desktop Redirector to pre-filter messages
unfortunately required that Outlook was running, and between the
management of that (dealing with workstation reboots for Windows
Updates, etc.) and the employees that had only laptops (and thus had
no station to leave up and running), the move to the BES was
justified.

There were probably some other server-side rules that were possible,
but the complexity of that research exceeded the materials cost of the
BES -- for the clients for whom we've rolled it out.  I think you
should be okay with the server-side forward until you hear otherwise
from users.  Let the business need drive that expense.

--Sandy

Other issue using this method is if you want messages on both Blackberry and 
Outlook, you have to leave messages on server and you have to open the 
security in Exchange to allow the remote user admin access to their mailbox. 
Not a good combination. It will work as if it were a POP3 account, but true 
integration with Outlook will require using Enterprise software.  Set up 
about 10 of these in multiple configurations.  None are easy and none are 
perfect since it reads data like Palm, so you will always get conflicts and 
if you use it like a POP3 account, you have to periodically "flush" your 
online Blackberry account (although , at least they have gone from 10MB to 
25MB to 50MB now, so the crunch on space is not as bad, but leaving messages 
on server can eat up all the space in POP3 setup).

Just my two cents having done desktop, Exchange and remote Exchange sync 
mode setup.

"Sanford Whiteman"  wrote in message 
news:7acou1ls9h377uf0lhk5l9jupbtbsbaj2b@4ax.com...
>Yep - if he doesn't mind that his sent items will come from his BB address,
>and never make it to his sent items in outlook. And if he sends a message, 
>a
>reply will go to his BB address.

None of that is actually mandatory: you can easily set your Reply-To:
to your corporate address, and also use the 'CC Self' feature to
forward your outgoing messages to your corporate account (then sorting
them into your Sent Mail using Outlook rules).

In my experience, though I do use the Blackberry Enterprise Server
now, the major problem with the global server-side forward was simply
the volume of messages that a lot of users got -- mailing list
dispatches and so forth -- that they were willing to wade through on
their workstation, but not on their device's little screen.  The
alternative of using the Desktop Redirector to pre-filter messages
unfortunately required that Outlook was running, and between the
management of that (dealing with workstation reboots for Windows
Updates, etc.) and the employees that had only laptops (and thus had
no station to leave up and running), the move to the BES was
justified.

There were probably some other server-side rules that were possible,
but the complexity of that research exceeded the materials cost of the
BES -- for the clients for whom we've rolled it out.  I think you
should be okay with the server-side forward until you hear otherwise
from users.  Let the business need drive that expense.

--Sandy

To stop that happening, set the BES to only forward where the user is in the 
To and CC. This will filter the disty list stuff out.

"Sanford Whiteman"  wrote in message 
news:7acou1ls9h377uf0lhk5l9jupbtbsbaj2b@4ax.com...
> >Yep - if he doesn't mind that his sent items will come from his BB 
> >address,
>>and never make it to his sent items in outlook. And if he sends a message, 
>>a
>>reply will go to his BB address.
>
> None of that is actually mandatory: you can easily set your Reply-To:
> to your corporate address, and also use the 'CC Self' feature to
> forward your outgoing messages to your corporate account (then sorting
> them into your Sent Mail using Outlook rules).
>
> In my experience, though I do use the Blackberry Enterprise Server
> now, the major problem with the global server-side forward was simply
> the volume of messages that a lot of users got -- mailing list
> dispatches and so forth -- that they were willing to wade through on
> their workstation, but not on their device's little screen.  The
> alternative of using the Desktop Redirector to pre-filter messages
> unfortunately required that Outlook was running, and between the
> management of that (dealing with workstation reboots for Windows
> Updates, etc.) and the employees that had only laptops (and thus had
> no station to leave up and running), the move to the BES was
> justified.
>
> There were probably some other server-side rules that were possible,
> but the complexity of that research exceeded the materials cost of the
> BES -- for the clients for whom we've rolled it out.  I think you
> should be okay with the server-side forward until you hear otherwise
> from users.  Let the business need drive that expense.
>
> --Sandy

>To stop that happening, set the BES to only forward where the user is in the 
>To and CC. This will filter the disty list stuff out.

My post refers specifically to setups _without_ the BES, i.e. the
"global server-side forward" or the Desktop Redirector; that's what
was under discussion, as far as I can see.

--Sandy