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date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:28:49 -0500,    group: microsoft.public.exchange2000.clustering        back       


SMTP and MTA   
Hello,

I will be setting up a four node cluster (3 active & 1 passive) on Exchange 
2003/Windows 2003. I noticed some of the documentation mention the need for 
a seperate physical disk for SMTP & MTA, what is the reason behind this?

I understand that there can only be on MTA resource for the cluster, but 
what is the purpose of the physical disk for the SMTP? This wasn't the case 
in Exchange 2000.

Thanks,
Tman
date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:28:49 -0500   author:   TheTman

Re: SMTP and MTA   
"TheTman"  wrote in message 
news:um0$%23YKTFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hello,
>
> I will be setting up a four node cluster (3 active & 1 passive) on 
> Exchange 2003/Windows 2003. I noticed some of the documentation mention 
> the need for a seperate physical disk for SMTP & MTA, what is the reason 
> behind this?

Performance.

> I understand that there can only be on MTA resource for the cluster, but 
> what is the purpose of the physical disk for the SMTP? This wasn't the 
> case in Exchange 2000.

Also, performance.
date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:28:33 -0600   author:   Russ Kaufmann

Re: SMTP and MTA   
OK, sounds good. I will plan on it.
Thank you for answering my post.
date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:34:30 -0500   author:   TheTman

Re: SMTP and MTA   
What should be the recommended size of these drives?

Thanks,
TS
date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:57:22 -0500   author:   TheTman

Re: SMTP and MTA   
How many users? How much email do they send daily? Hourly? How big? 
Typically on a large system you want dedicated SMTP drives, to cut down on 
the fragmentation of the drive(s).

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"TheTman"  wrote in message 
news:%230zrrE1TFHA.752@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> What should be the recommended size of these drives?
>
> Thanks,
> TS
>
date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:01:13 -0500   author:   Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]

Re: SMTP and MTA   
I understand there is no exact situation but there are guidelines and 
suggestions such as Exchange logs files. Anyway, I do have 4000 users and 
there is no current data on how much SMTP traffic that the customer can 
provide. I am planning for a 5G disk space for the SMTP. I hope that would 
be sufficient since nothing get stored and the queue should not reach that 
size.

Thanks,
TS
date: Wed, 4 May 2005 23:36:18 -0500   author:   TheTman

Re: SMTP and MTA   
That should be fine. Should be. Unless your ISP has an outage or can't get 
to part of the Internet. And are going to limit the size of messages? What 
size? 5 MB? 10 MB? Just things to consider. 5 GB of disk space is cheap!

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"TheTman"  wrote in message 
news:evIH9vSUFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I understand there is no exact situation but there are guidelines and 
>suggestions such as Exchange logs files. Anyway, I do have 4000 users and 
>there is no current data on how much SMTP traffic that the customer can 
>provide. I am planning for a 5G disk space for the SMTP. I hope that would 
>be sufficient since nothing get stored and the queue should not reach that 
>size.
>
> Thanks,
> TS
>
date: Thu, 5 May 2005 06:22:58 -0500   author:   Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]

Re: SMTP and MTA   
Sincerly, 4K users and you'll put an A/A/A/P cluster ? It looks like a 
heavy solution for a so few users, consider buying 4-way/4GB servers and 
build an A/P clusters, save money :) -- also that'll save you to install 
too many DCs to support the AD load generated by Exchange virtual servers.

Sizing:
	- cluster logs (RAID1): use a 1GB LUN, that's bug, but will save you 
from encountering problems in case your checkpoints aren't flushed
	- MSDTC (RAID1), place your MSDTC logs on the Quorum disk, unless 
you're planning to architecture your E2K3 cluster to host workflow 
applications
	- SMTP Queue (RAID1), most depends on the volume of e-mails you're 
intending to send and receive, keep in mind that unless big troubles, 
queues in Exchange are flushed very fast. Also, if yoo're intending to 
install SP1 (which I would recommended), remember Badmails are no longer 
retained, so won't fill your disk with junk. For 4000 users, you can use 
a quite small LUN, 10 GB would be pefect to plan for growth. You can 
even place MTA here unless your users are totally cray and send messages 
faster than speed of light ;)
	- transactional logs (RAD1 or 0+1): the size of transactional log 
volumes depends on many factors:
		* number of users in the SG
		* frequency of full backups (in general 6 days between fulls, 6 days 
incrementals + 1 full)
		* value of 4G per 1500 users chunk is a commonly used value, per day
	  So for 4000 users, specarated in 4 SG (1000 users per SG),
	  then separated in 5 IS (that fills up your EVS):
		* size for SG logs: (1000/1500)*4*6 = 16 GB
	  For Mailbox Stores, IS size depends on Quotas, for a 100 MB quota 
count in a very basic fashioned way:
		* size of an IS: 200*100 = 20 GB
		* don't forget IS growth + deleted items retention, in general count 
50% more, that'd make 30 GB MAX (it's oversized but who cares ;)) per 
mailbox store
	  Don't forget Public Folder store (should be rather small, unless you 
want to make big use of public folders) -- Using a dedicated PF server 
(out of SAN) is a good option too.

So we have:
	Quorum/DTC logs		1 GB
+	logs			4*16 GB
+	mailbox stores		20*20 GB
+	SMTP/MTA		10 GB
+	Exchange disk		20 GB (no real calulation, depends what you want to 
place there, for example gathering logs, tracking logs, etc.)

I stringly advice you to use RAID5 for mailbos/public stores, RAID1 or 
RAID0+1 for the rest.

I generally prefer being presented one LUN per bit, in this case I make 
use of mount points (Windows 2003 only !), which offers two advantages:

- build a nice directory structure
- avoid having too many drive letters

Hope this helps,
Ben.




TheTman wrote:
> I understand there is no exact situation but there are guidelines and 
> suggestions such as Exchange logs files. Anyway, I do have 4000 users and 
> there is no current data on how much SMTP traffic that the customer can 
> provide. I am planning for a 5G disk space for the SMTP. I hope that would 
> be sufficient since nothing get stored and the queue should not reach that 
> size.
> 
> Thanks,
> TS 
> 
>
date: Sat, 07 May 2005 00:01:25 +0200   author:   DOT benoit(DOT)boudeville@club-internet.fr

Re: SMTP and MTA   
"DOT" <"benoit(DOT)boudeville"@club-internet.fr> wrote in message 
news:427be934$0$26071$7a628cd7@news.club-internet.fr...
>
> Sincerly, 4K users and you'll put an A/A/A/P cluster ? It looks like a 
> heavy solution for a so few users, consider buying 4-way/4GB servers and 
> build an A/P clusters, save money :) -- also that'll save you to install 
> too many DCs to support the AD load generated by Exchange virtual servers.

The DC/GC load will be just as high in either configuration.
date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:13:45 -0600   author:   Russ Kaufmann [MCT]

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