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date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:16:17 -0500,    group: microsoft.public.exchange2000.clustering        back       


Clustering and Storage Group Limitation   
Hello,

I am designing a system that will be running Exchange 2003 on Windows 2003 
and I want to confirm a situation with a 4 node cluster (3 Active and 1 
Passive).

I understand that I can have a total of 3 EVS, I will have a total of two 
Storage Groups per EVS. This design allows me to plan for a failover of two 
nodes only right? This is primarily because of the limitation with having 
only 4 SG per Exchange Server. If I want to plan for all three nodes 
failure, I would need to create only ONE storage group per EVS.

I appreciate any confirmation regarding this situation.

Thank you,
Tman
date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:16:17 -0500   author:   TheTman

Re: Clustering and Storage Group Limitation   
It sounds like you have a pretty good understanding of this.   One of my 
customers runs 3 Active-1Passive configurations, but each of their virtual 
servers has 4 storage groups.  Of course, they can only sustain the loss of 
a single physical node in the cluster.  If I were you, I would avoid ever 
failing an active node over to another active node.  If you think there is a 
situation where more than one physical node will fail, you should put an 
additional passive node in the cluster.

-- 
Jim McBee
Web: http://www.somorita.com
Blog: http://mostlyexchange.blogspot.com
Stuff: http://geekbargains.blogspot.com


"TheTman"  wrote in message 
news:uUk4cwJTFHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hello,
>
> I am designing a system that will be running Exchange 2003 on Windows 2003 
> and I want to confirm a situation with a 4 node cluster (3 Active and 1 
> Passive).
>
> I understand that I can have a total of 3 EVS, I will have a total of two 
> Storage Groups per EVS. This design allows me to plan for a failover of 
> two nodes only right? This is primarily because of the limitation with 
> having only 4 SG per Exchange Server. If I want to plan for all three 
> nodes failure, I would need to create only ONE storage group per EVS.
>
> I appreciate any confirmation regarding this situation.
>
> Thank you,
> Tman
>
date: Sun, 1 May 2005 10:56:13 -1000   author:   Jim McBee [MVP Exchange]

Re: Clustering and Storage Group Limitation   
Thank you...It is greatly appreciated.
date: Mon, 2 May 2005 05:39:44 -0500   author:   TheTman

Re: Clustering and Storage Group Limitation   
"TheTman"  wrote in message 
news:uUk4cwJTFHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hello,
>
> I am designing a system that will be running Exchange 2003 on Windows 2003 
> and I want to confirm a situation with a 4 node cluster (3 Active and 1 
> Passive).
>
> I understand that I can have a total of 3 EVS, I will have a total of two 
> Storage Groups per EVS. This design allows me to plan for a failover of 
> two nodes only right? This is primarily because of the limitation with 
> having only 4 SG per Exchange Server. If I want to plan for all three 
> nodes failure, I would need to create only ONE storage group per EVS.

In this configuration with a 3+1 cluster, the EVSs will not fail over to a 
node where an EVS is already running. This configuration will not allow more 
than one EVS per node. That said, that means only one node can fail to the 
passive node. If any other nodes fail after the first failure, the EVS will 
not come online on any of the other nodes. It will remain failed.

So, Storage Groups per EVS is not a concern in this case so long as they 
don't exceed the limits of a single Exchange server.
date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:26:48 -0600   author:   Russ Kaufmann

Re: Clustering and Storage Group Limitation   
I had good understand until I saw your post.
What do you mean when you say EVS will not fail over to a node where an EVS 
is already running? Are you saying that I can't fail over two node to the 
passive one at the same time? How is that possible when there is an option 
to configured Active/Active cluster, you would end up with two EVS on the 
same node?

I am not sure that I understand what you are saying and I finding it 
conflicting with the many whitepapers/books that I have read so far.

Could you please clarify?

Thank you,
TS
date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:00:01 -0500   author:   TheTman

Re: Clustering and Storage Group Limitation   
"TheTman"  wrote in message 
news:eVO2ok0TFHA.3084@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I had good understand until I saw your post.
> What do you mean when you say EVS will not fail over to a node where an 
> EVS is already running?

That is what I mean. If you have 3 or more nodes, it is not possible for a 
single node to host more than one EVS. It either needs to fail to a passive 
node or it will just fail and not come up.

> Are you saying that I can't fail over two node to the passive one at the 
> same time?

Yes, you can not do that.

> How is that possible when there is an option to configured Active/Active 
> cluster, you would end up with two EVS on the same node?

That is just the way it is.
date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:27:22 -0600   author:   Russ Kaufmann

Re: Clustering and Storage Group Limitation   
Wow...I guess it makes sense since there can only be one EVS per active 
node. How is this different in Active/Active cluster configuration. Won't 
you end up with two EVS on the same node?

Thank you,
TS
date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:12:25 -0500   author:   TheTman

Re: Clustering and Storage Group Limitation   
"TheTman"  wrote in message 
news:utkz1rKUFHA.260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Wow...I guess it makes sense since there can only be one EVS per active 
> node. How is this different in Active/Active cluster configuration. Won't 
> you end up with two EVS on the same node?

In a two node cluster, the rules are different.
date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:28:18 -0600   author:   Russ Kaufmann

Re: Clustering and Storage Group Limitation   
Thank you again, I think I am going to spend more time reading on cluster 
and possibly do some testing. I appreciate everything you pointed out.

TS
date: Wed, 4 May 2005 23:32:18 -0500   author:   TheTman

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