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date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:05:27 -0800,    group: microsoft.public.exchange2000.active.directory.integration        back       


Different Order in GAL   
Hi Group,

we have a problem with our GAL. On the Outlook-Clients the order for users 
with the same displayname is different from day to day.

Meanwhile we have identified that one GC is completly new staged with AD and 
GC-Role. Our 2 orignale GC's have the same order in the GAL - only the new 
one differ from the others. As well a new creation of the GC works...:-(

My question is: How can I correct this issue? Are there tools avalible to 
change the order in the GC?

Thanks for your Help
Frank
date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:05:27 -0800   author:   FHeising

Re: Different Order in GAL   
How about changing the display names so they are unique?  In terms of 
helping your users correctly deliver mail, this is a far, far better 
solution than "remember which one came first".

You can add a department or a middle initial, or a location, or pretty much 
anything.


"FHeising"  wrote in message 
news:D1B59B88-D7EA-4120-911E-2FF46BCD9A38@microsoft.com...
> Hi Group,
>
> we have a problem with our GAL. On the Outlook-Clients the order for users
> with the same displayname is different from day to day.
>
> Meanwhile we have identified that one GC is completly new staged with AD 
> and
> GC-Role. Our 2 orignale GC's have the same order in the GAL - only the new
> one differ from the others. As well a new creation of the GC works...:-(
>
> My question is: How can I correct this issue? Are there tools avalible to
> change the order in the GC?
>
> Thanks for your Help
> Frank
>
date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:52:30 -0600   author:   andy webb

Re: Different Order in GAL   
Thx for your reply, can I do this automatically? If the answer is yes - how? 

"andy webb" wrote:

> How about changing the display names so they are unique?  In terms of 
> helping your users correctly deliver mail, this is a far, far better 
> solution than "remember which one came first".
> 
> You can add a department or a middle initial, or a location, or pretty much 
> anything.
> 
> 
> "FHeising"  wrote in message 
> news:D1B59B88-D7EA-4120-911E-2FF46BCD9A38@microsoft.com...
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > we have a problem with our GAL. On the Outlook-Clients the order for users
> > with the same displayname is different from day to day.
> >
> > Meanwhile we have identified that one GC is completly new staged with AD 
> > and
> > GC-Role. Our 2 orignale GC's have the same order in the GAL - only the new
> > one differ from the others. As well a new creation of the GC works...:-(
> >
> > My question is: How can I correct this issue? Are there tools avalible to
> > change the order in the GC?
> >
> > Thanks for your Help
> > Frank
> > 
> 
> 
>
date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:06:19 -0800   author:   fheising

Re: Different Order in GAL   
You will need to manually correct the display names.

--
Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
Author of O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition
www.joeware.net


---O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition now available---

         http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm



fheising wrote:
> Thx for your reply, can I do this automatically? If the answer is yes - how? 
> 
> "andy webb" wrote:
> 
>> How about changing the display names so they are unique?  In terms of 
>> helping your users correctly deliver mail, this is a far, far better 
>> solution than "remember which one came first".
>>
>> You can add a department or a middle initial, or a location, or pretty much 
>> anything.
>>
>>
>> "FHeising"  wrote in message 
>> news:D1B59B88-D7EA-4120-911E-2FF46BCD9A38@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> we have a problem with our GAL. On the Outlook-Clients the order for users
>>> with the same displayname is different from day to day.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile we have identified that one GC is completly new staged with AD 
>>> and
>>> GC-Role. Our 2 orignale GC's have the same order in the GAL - only the new
>>> one differ from the others. As well a new creation of the GC works...:-(
>>>
>>> My question is: How can I correct this issue? Are there tools avalible to
>>> change the order in the GC?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your Help
>>> Frank
>>>
>>
>>
date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:23:58 -0500   author:   Joe Richards [MVP]

Re: Different Order in GAL   
What? Manually? This is a bad Joke! In this case the AD contains 20.000 
Users! There must be a way to modify the schema, that the displayname will 
bild automatically.

"Joe Richards [MVP]" wrote:

> You will need to manually correct the display names.
> 
> --
> Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
> Author of O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition
> www.joeware.net
> 
> 
> ---O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition now available---
> 
>          http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> 
> 
> 
> fheising wrote:
> > Thx for your reply, can I do this automatically? If the answer is yes - how? 
> > 
> > "andy webb" wrote:
> > 
> >> How about changing the display names so they are unique?  In terms of 
> >> helping your users correctly deliver mail, this is a far, far better 
> >> solution than "remember which one came first".
> >>
> >> You can add a department or a middle initial, or a location, or pretty much 
> >> anything.
> >>
> >>
> >> "FHeising"  wrote in message 
> >> news:D1B59B88-D7EA-4120-911E-2FF46BCD9A38@microsoft.com...
> >>> Hi Group,
> >>>
> >>> we have a problem with our GAL. On the Outlook-Clients the order for users
> >>> with the same displayname is different from day to day.
> >>>
> >>> Meanwhile we have identified that one GC is completly new staged with AD 
> >>> and
> >>> GC-Role. Our 2 orignale GC's have the same order in the GAL - only the new
> >>> one differ from the others. As well a new creation of the GC works...:-(
> >>>
> >>> My question is: How can I correct this issue? Are there tools avalible to
> >>> change the order in the GC?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your Help
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:15:30 -0800   author:   fheising

Re: Different Order in GAL   
Hi,

Sure it is possible - create a script that runs thru the users and correct 
as desired.

Leif

"fheising"  wrote in message 
news:D4587E6B-F767-4606-B9EA-CE6613779ED2@microsoft.com...
> What? Manually? This is a bad Joke! In this case the AD contains 20.000
> Users! There must be a way to modify the schema, that the displayname will
> bild automatically.
>
> "Joe Richards [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> You will need to manually correct the display names.
>>
>> --
>> Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
>> Author of O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition
>> www.joeware.net
>>
>>
>> ---O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition now available---
>>
>>          http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> fheising wrote:
>> > Thx for your reply, can I do this automatically? If the answer is yes - 
>> > how?
>> >
>> > "andy webb" wrote:
>> >
>> >> How about changing the display names so they are unique?  In terms of
>> >> helping your users correctly deliver mail, this is a far, far better
>> >> solution than "remember which one came first".
>> >>
>> >> You can add a department or a middle initial, or a location, or pretty 
>> >> much
>> >> anything.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "FHeising"  wrote in message
>> >> news:D1B59B88-D7EA-4120-911E-2FF46BCD9A38@microsoft.com...
>> >>> Hi Group,
>> >>>
>> >>> we have a problem with our GAL. On the Outlook-Clients the order for 
>> >>> users
>> >>> with the same displayname is different from day to day.
>> >>>
>> >>> Meanwhile we have identified that one GC is completly new staged with 
>> >>> AD
>> >>> and
>> >>> GC-Role. Our 2 orignale GC's have the same order in the GAL - only 
>> >>> the new
>> >>> one differ from the others. As well a new creation of the GC 
>> >>> works...:-(
>> >>>
>> >>> My question is: How can I correct this issue? Are there tools 
>> >>> avalible to
>> >>> change the order in the GC?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for your Help
>> >>> Frank
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:54:29 +0100   author:   Leif Pedersen [MVP]

Re: Different Order in GAL   
By manually I mean there isn't a switch you can click and say do it. You will 
need to script this or do it by hand in ADUC or find some tool that someone else 
has written to do it (of which I don't know of any).

The schema doesn't control the displayname. You can modify how display names are 
created with displaySpecifiers but that doesn't go back and change old objects, 
it only changes things created after the change.

You have to consider that mass change of display names is not something most 
companies would want because that is what people see their identities as in the 
GAL. So if MS put out ways for this to happen wholehog accidently you can bet 
someone would do it accidently and someone with a large directory of a couple 
hundred thousand users would be screaming about it. I have seen this happen with 
recipient policies which WILL go back and change certain things and saw a whole 
fortune 15 company (over hundred thousand users) lose the ability for people to 
receive email for a couple of days from the outside world.



--
Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
Author of O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition
www.joeware.net


---O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition now available---

         http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm



fheising wrote:
> What? Manually? This is a bad Joke! In this case the AD contains 20.000 
> Users! There must be a way to modify the schema, that the displayname will 
> bild automatically.
> 
> "Joe Richards [MVP]" wrote:
> 
>> You will need to manually correct the display names.
>>
>> --
>> Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
>> Author of O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition
>> www.joeware.net
>>
>>
>> ---O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition now available---
>>
>>          http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> fheising wrote:
>>> Thx for your reply, can I do this automatically? If the answer is yes - how? 
>>>
>>> "andy webb" wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about changing the display names so they are unique?  In terms of 
>>>> helping your users correctly deliver mail, this is a far, far better 
>>>> solution than "remember which one came first".
>>>>
>>>> You can add a department or a middle initial, or a location, or pretty much 
>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "FHeising"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:D1B59B88-D7EA-4120-911E-2FF46BCD9A38@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>>
>>>>> we have a problem with our GAL. On the Outlook-Clients the order for users
>>>>> with the same displayname is different from day to day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile we have identified that one GC is completly new staged with AD 
>>>>> and
>>>>> GC-Role. Our 2 orignale GC's have the same order in the GAL - only the new
>>>>> one differ from the others. As well a new creation of the GC works...:-(
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is: How can I correct this issue? Are there tools avalible to
>>>>> change the order in the GC?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your Help
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>
date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:58:38 -0400   author:   Joe Richards [MVP]

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