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date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:49:56 GMT,    group: microsoft.public.exchange2000.active.directory.integration        back       


Thing is, I want to see an article that explains exactly *what* happens when you don't change the SID...   
Anyone aware of one?
date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:49:56 GMT   author:   -|Tree=Bonz|-

Re: Thing is, I want to see an article that explains exactly *what* happens   
In microsoft.public.win2000.registry -|Tree=Bonz|-  wrote:
> Anyone aware of one?

Please post your question in the body of the message.  Many of us can't 
see enough of it to be able to tell what you're asking.

-- 
Gary L. Smith
Columbus, Ohio
date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:14:48 -0700   author:   Gary Smith

Re: Thing is, I want to see an article that explains exactly *what* happens when you don't change the SID...   
Confusion. The same thing that happens to your kids at school IF you name 
them all the same and they all look the same :)

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Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about 
Yesterday?  -anon
"-|Tree=Bonz|-"  wrote in message 
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> Anyone aware of one?
date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:47:01 -0700   author:   Deji Akomolafe om

Re: Thing is, I want to see an article that explains exactly *what* happens when you don't change the SID...   
-|Tree=Bonz|- wrote:
> Anyone aware of one?

http://www.sysinternals.com/utilities/newsid.html

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     MS-MVP
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date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:53:50 -0500   author:   Shenan Stanley

Re: Thing is, I want to see an article that explains exactly *what* happens when you don't change the SID...   
-|Tree=Bonz|- wrote:
> Anyone aware of one?


Help us help you:
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date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:07:58 -0600   author:   Bruce Chambers bchambers@cable0ne.n3t

Re: Thing is, I want to see an article that explains exactly *what* happens when you don't change the SID...   
"Cloning or duplicating an installation without taking the recommended
steps can lead to duplicate SIDs. In the case of removable media, a duplicate
SID might give an account access to files even though NTFS permissions for
the account specifically deny access to those files. Because the SID identifies
both the computer or domain and the user, unique SIDs are essential to maintain
support for current and future programs."

Ref: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314828&Product=winxp

Computers that run the Windows XP operating system use a security ID (SID) as a unique identifier.
If you use disk-duplication software, you must ensure the uniqueness of these security IDs.

The Microsoft Policy Concerning Disk Duplication of Windows XP Installations
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314828&Product=winxp

When you clone a Windows NT/2000/XP installation to many computers,
the destination computers have the same SID and computer name as the source
Windows installation. Because Windows NT/2000/XP networks use each computer's
SID and computer name to uniquely identify the computer on the network, you must
change the SID and computer name on each destination (client) computer after cloning.

Visit:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/1999050308324125?Open&src=sg&docid=2000081610075225&nsf=ghost.nsf&view=docid/2000081610075225?open&src=sg&docid=1999070716282425&nsf=ghost.nsf&view=8f7dc138830563c888256c2200662ecd/92c05c601bf35fb2882567a70080df54?opendocument&prod=norton%20ghost&ver=2003%20for%20windows%202000/nt/me/98&dtype=&prod=norton%20ghost&ver=2003%20for%20windows%202000/nt/me/98&dtype=&prod=norton%20ghost&ver=2003%20for%20windows%202000/nt/me/98&osv=&osv_lvl

-- 
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

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"-|Tree=Bonz|-" wrote:

| Anyone aware of one?
date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:50:51 -0500   author:   Carey Frisch [MVP]

RE: Thing is, I want to see an article that explains exactly *what* ha   
One of our techs didn't sysprep PCs he put out and it caused all sorts of 
problems for us. People would log on to a PC and not be given to any network 
resources. Printing was spotty - sometimes things would print, sometimes not. 
Newly installed programs would work on one PC and not another. All kinds of 
weird behavior that you couldn't explain.

It was a pain in the neck until we realized that this guy wasn't sysprepping 
PCs. Many of the PCs had to be reimaged because they were so borked up that 
there was no fixing them. Others simply needed to have Sysprep run on them 
again to clear up the problems.

Trust me. Sysprep all the PCs you image. 

"-|Tree=Bonz|-" wrote:
>
> Thing is, I want to see an article that explains exactly *what* happens when you don't change the SID
>
> Anyone aware of one?
>
date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:00:05 -0700   author:   JimboC

Re: Thing is, I want to see an article that explains exactly *what* happens when you don't change the SID...   
> "Because Windows NT/2000/XP networks use each computer's
 > SID and computer name to uniquely identify the computer
 > on the network, "

That part should be changed as it isn't correct. A computer's local SID is not 
used for identifying it on the network. The SID in the domain is a different SID 
from the SID on the computer. The only place the local computer's SID is used is 
on the machine itself and any media that you write NTFS ACLs too.

    joe



--
Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
www.joeware.net


Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> "Cloning or duplicating an installation without taking the recommended
> steps can lead to duplicate SIDs. In the case of removable media, a duplicate
> SID might give an account access to files even though NTFS permissions for
> the account specifically deny access to those files. Because the SID identifies
> both the computer or domain and the user, unique SIDs are essential to maintain
> support for current and future programs."
> 
> Ref: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314828&Product=winxp
> 
> Computers that run the Windows XP operating system use a security ID (SID) as a unique identifier.
> If you use disk-duplication software, you must ensure the uniqueness of these security IDs.
> 
> The Microsoft Policy Concerning Disk Duplication of Windows XP Installations
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314828&Product=winxp
> 
> When you clone a Windows NT/2000/XP installation to many computers,
> the destination computers have the same SID and computer name as the source
> Windows installation. Because Windows NT/2000/XP networks use each computer's
> SID and computer name to uniquely identify the computer on the network, you must
> change the SID and computer name on each destination (client) computer after cloning.
> 
> Visit:
> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/1999050308324125?Open&src=sg&docid=2000081610075225&nsf=ghost.nsf&view=docid/2000081610075225?open&src=sg&docid=1999070716282425&nsf=ghost.nsf&view=8f7dc138830563c888256c2200662ecd/92c05c601bf35fb2882567a70080df54?opendocument&prod=norton%20ghost&ver=2003%20for%20windows%202000/nt/me/98&dtype=&prod=norton%20ghost&ver=2003%20for%20windows%202000/nt/me/98&dtype=&prod=norton%20ghost&ver=2003%20for%20windows%202000/nt/me/98&osv=&osv_lvl
>
date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:28:21 -0400   author:   Joe Richards [MVP]

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