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date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:41:02 -0700,    group: microsoft.public.exchange.misc        back       


Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
A short while ago I setup a new Exch 2003 server, updated and SP'd it. Once 
done, it ran fine but it wasn't going to be used right away, so I unmounted 
the information store and basically turned it off. Since then, the group it's 
intended for, installed SQL 2005 on the same server. Now, after that install, 
none of the Exch services will start/ allowing Exch to come bac online. I've 
seen messages here and there talking about SBS 2003 and Exch 2003 but I 
haven't seen or found anything explaining Enterprise Server 2003 and Exch 
2003 with SQL 2005.
I was discussing this with others in my company and it was their belief that 
SQL was occupying ports Exch needs to run. This is something that was meant 
to be completed by now. With Exch not running, it has turned into a stumbling 
block. The resources on the server should be ample to supply the need for 
both items, Exch and SQL. Here are the details:

WinServer 2003 R2, SP2
Intel Duo 2.4GHz with 4 GB of memory
MS Exch 2003
SQL 2005

Any help with this would be 'really' appreciated.
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:41:02 -0700   author:   ADP Comm

RE: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
Change 1:

WinServer 2003 R2, SP2
Intel Duo 2.4GHz with 4 GB of memory
"MS Exch 2003 SP2"
"SQL 2005 SP2"
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:47:03 -0700   author:   ADP Comm

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
ADP Comm  wrote:
> A short while ago I setup a new Exch 2003 server, updated and SP'd
> it. Once done, it ran fine but it wasn't going to be used right away,
> so I unmounted the information store and basically turned it off.
> Since then, the group it's intended for, installed SQL 2005 on the
> same server. Now, after that install, none of the Exch services will
> start/ allowing Exch to come bac online. I've seen messages here and
> there talking about SBS 2003 and Exch 2003 but I haven't seen or
> found anything explaining Enterprise Server 2003 and Exch 2003 with
> SQL 2005.
> I was discussing this with others in my company and it was their
> belief that SQL was occupying ports Exch needs to run. This is
> something that was meant to be completed by now. With Exch not
> running, it has turned into a stumbling block. The resources on the
> server should be ample to supply the need for both items, Exch and
> SQL. Here are the details:
>
> WinServer 2003 R2, SP2
> Intel Duo 2.4GHz with 4 GB of memory
> MS Exch 2003
> SQL 2005
>
> Any help with this would be 'really' appreciated.

Error messages & event log errors would be a good place to start......
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:48:47 -0400   author:   Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
The only items that show in the Event Viewer are:

Process INETINFO.EXE (PID=1468). Topology Discovery failed, error 0x8007077f. 

Unable to initialize the Microsoft Exchange Information Store service.   - 
Error 0xfaf. 

Unexpected error No site name is available for this machine. Facility: Win32 
ID no: c007077f Microsoft Exchange System Attendant  occurred.

.NET Runtime Optimization Service (clr_optimization_v2.0.50727_32) - Failed 
to compile: Microsoft.ReportingServices.QueryDesigners, Version=9.0.242.0, 
Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=89845dcd8080cc91 . Error code = 0x80070002 

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> Error messages & event log errors would be a good place to start...... 
> 
> 
>
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:36:00 -0700   author:   ADP Comm

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
"ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:54E19848-71A3-44E1-BD4B-4FB5A122A562@microsoft.com...

> Unexpected error No site name is available for this machine. Facility: 
> Win32
> ID no: c007077f Microsoft Exchange System Attendant  occurred.

Looks like your Active Directory doesn't quite agree on letting this 
Exchange server run.

How much time has passed since you stopped it? Was some kind of 
uninstallation done, or even tried? Did you or anyone else "cleaned up" 
things in AD? Was the domain rebuilt from scratch and/or backups?


Massimo
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:57:26 +0200   author:   Massimo

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
The Information Store was turned off maybe a good month ago now? As for AD, 
the server does reside in a different subnet from the DC's. As for any 
uninstall, none that I'm aware of. I did need to reinstall Exch at one point 
however I simply reinstalled the entire server because it was the only item 
installed at the time. To my knowledge there hasn't been any work on AD 
itself. What we have is what we have been using all along.

"Massimo" wrote:

> 
> Looks like your Active Directory doesn't quite agree on letting this 
> Exchange server run.
> 
> How much time has passed since you stopped it? Was some kind of 
> uninstallation done, or even tried? Did you or anyone else "cleaned up" 
> things in AD? Was the domain rebuilt from scratch and/or backups?
> 
> 
> Massimo
> 
>
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:08:00 -0700   author:   ADP Comm

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
"ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:32C7190F-3740-45B7-A632-672E67F2BA36@microsoft.com...

> the server does reside in a different subnet from the DC's.

That's fine, as long at it can talk to them. Are the two subnets connected? 
Any firewall in between? Is the server member of the domain? Does it use the 
domain's DNS servers in its network configuration?

> I did need to reinstall Exch at one point however I simply
> reinstalled the entire server because it was the only item
> installed at the time.

What do you exactly mean by "I simply reinstalled the entire server"?


Massimo
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:25:32 +0200   author:   Massimo

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
The server do reside within the same domain and no, there is no firewall 
between them. It does also use the same DNS servers. When I mentioned I 
reinstalled the entire server, I was referring to a complete reinstall of the 
OS, patches and programs.

"Massimo" wrote:

> "ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
> news:32C7190F-3740-45B7-A632-672E67F2BA36@microsoft.com...
> 
> > the server does reside in a different subnet from the DC's.
> 
> That's fine, as long at it can talk to them. Are the two subnets connected? 
> Any firewall in between? Is the server member of the domain? Does it use the 
> domain's DNS servers in its network configuration?
> 
> > I did need to reinstall Exch at one point however I simply
> > reinstalled the entire server because it was the only item
> > installed at the time.
> 
> What do you exactly mean by "I simply reinstalled the entire server"?
> 
> 
> Massimo
> 
>
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:38:05 -0700   author:   ADP Comm

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
"ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:D6C8B96D-383F-4D95-AB0A-F5B6A28952A2@microsoft.com...

> The server do reside within the same domain and no, there is no firewall
> between them. It does also use the same DNS servers. When I mentioned I
> reinstalled the entire server, I was referring to a complete reinstall of 
> the
> OS, patches and programs.

So you reinstalled Exchange, too. But, based on the symptoms you're 
reporting, I'm quite sure you didn't use the /disasterrecovery switch...


Massimo
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:42:47 +0200   author:   Massimo

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
No, I did no 'disaster recovery' when I preformed the reinstall. I formatted 
each of the drives and then did a complete reinstall.

"Massimo" wrote:

> "ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
> news:D6C8B96D-383F-4D95-AB0A-F5B6A28952A2@microsoft.com...
> 
> > The server do reside within the same domain and no, there is no firewall
> > between them. It does also use the same DNS servers. When I mentioned I
> > reinstalled the entire server, I was referring to a complete reinstall of 
> > the
> > OS, patches and programs.
> 
> So you reinstalled Exchange, too. But, based on the symptoms you're 
> reporting, I'm quite sure you didn't use the /disasterrecovery switch...
> 
> 
> Massimo
> 
>
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:13:46 -0700   author:   ADP Comm

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
"ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:0E4B2F94-615A-4B31-88C2-0579FD346B9A@microsoft.com...

> No, I did no 'disaster recovery' when I preformed the reinstall.
> I formatted each of the drives and then did a complete reinstall.

Then it looks like there some good reasons if your Exchange server and your 
Active Directory don't recognize each other.

You can try removing Exchange from your server, making sure it has the same 
network name it had before reinstalling and then running again the Exchange 
setup, this time using the /disasterrecovery switch; but there are some good 
chances your situation is now so compromised even this won't work.


Massimo
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:21:52 +0200   author:   Massimo

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
I was under the impression that if I removed the server from the Exch server 
manager group and then removed it from the domain there would be no 
collateral issues. Then formatting the drives and reinstalling I thought 
would work?
Does all this impact why the information store won't start?

"Massimo" wrote:

> "ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
> news:0E4B2F94-615A-4B31-88C2-0579FD346B9A@microsoft.com...
> 
> > No, I did no 'disaster recovery' when I preformed the reinstall.
> > I formatted each of the drives and then did a complete reinstall.
> 
> Then it looks like there some good reasons if your Exchange server and your 
> Active Directory don't recognize each other.
> 
> You can try removing Exchange from your server, making sure it has the same 
> network name it had before reinstalling and then running again the Exchange 
> setup, this time using the /disasterrecovery switch; but there are some good 
> chances your situation is now so compromised even this won't work.
> 
> 
> Massimo
> 
>
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:31:04 -0700   author:   ADP Comm

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
ADP Comm  wrote:
> I was under the impression that if I removed the server from the Exch
> server manager group and then removed it from the domain there would
> be no collateral issues.

How exactly did you do this? Did you see

How to remove the first Exchange Server 2003 computer from the 
administrative group
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822931

?


> Then formatting the drives and reinstalling
> I thought would work?

If this were your only server (meaning, also your sole DC) then sure.

> Does all this impact why the information store won't start?

Yep, could be.  I'm not sure what you need to do now, though, alas.
>
> "Massimo" wrote:
>
>> "ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel
>> messaggio news:0E4B2F94-615A-4B31-88C2-0579FD346B9A@microsoft.com...
>>
>>> No, I did no 'disaster recovery' when I preformed the reinstall.
>>> I formatted each of the drives and then did a complete reinstall.
>>
>> Then it looks like there some good reasons if your Exchange server
>> and your Active Directory don't recognize each other.
>>
>> You can try removing Exchange from your server, making sure it has
>> the same network name it had before reinstalling and then running
>> again the Exchange setup, this time using the /disasterrecovery
>> switch; but there are some good chances your situation is now so
>> compromised even this won't work.
>>
>>
>> Massimo
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:49:11 -0400   author:   Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
"ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:592E5F85-CAA2-40D6-9938-44A5F4AEBF84@microsoft.com...

> I was under the impression that if I removed the server from the
> Exch server manager group and then removed it from the
> domain there would be no collateral issues.

You did this, too?
Then you most definitely can't reinstall it now. The disaster recovery works 
only if the data in Active Directory is kept untouched while reinstalling 
the failed server.

> Then formatting the drives and reinstalling I thought would work?

It doesn't. Sorry.

> Does all this impact why the information store won't start?

Amongst the other things, yes.

If you still want a working Exchange organization, you need to create a 
brand new one.

Steps needed:
- Remove Exchange attributes from all your users by using the Active 
Directory Users and Computers snap-in on the Exchange server (or on any 
other computer which has Exchange management tools installed)
- Remove Exchange from your server
- Delete the organization from Active Directory (by using the /removeorg 
switch from the Exchange setup)
- Reinstall Exchange on the server, creating a new organization when 
prompted for.


Massimo
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:59:13 +0200   author:   Massimo

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
Thank you for all the replies everyone. Getting back to it, this is not the 
sole Exch server on the network. It is our third, the others are a primary 
server, Exch 2003 and a second Exch12. The server in question is intended for 
specific mailbox use and to isolate these mailboxes/addresses from the rest 
of the servers.
If removing this server from AD and then removing it entirely from the 
network once again would be a 'fix' for this problem, perhaps that is what I 
need to do. I will admit, I don't look forward to all that right now but I 
imagine the ends justify the means. If anyone has any more to add, I would 
like to learn about it.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> ADP Comm  wrote:
> > I was under the impression that if I removed the server from the Exch
> > server manager group and then removed it from the domain there would
> > be no collateral issues.
> 
> How exactly did you do this? Did you see
> 
> How to remove the first Exchange Server 2003 computer from the 
> administrative group
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822931
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> > Then formatting the drives and reinstalling
> > I thought would work?
> 
> If this were your only server (meaning, also your sole DC) then sure.
> 
> > Does all this impact why the information store won't start?
> 
> Yep, could be.  I'm not sure what you need to do now, though, alas.
> >
> > "Massimo" wrote:
> >
> >> "ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel
> >> messaggio news:0E4B2F94-615A-4B31-88C2-0579FD346B9A@microsoft.com...
> >>
> >>> No, I did no 'disaster recovery' when I preformed the reinstall.
> >>> I formatted each of the drives and then did a complete reinstall.
> >>
> >> Then it looks like there some good reasons if your Exchange server
> >> and your Active Directory don't recognize each other.
> >>
> >> You can try removing Exchange from your server, making sure it has
> >> the same network name it had before reinstalling and then running
> >> again the Exchange setup, this time using the /disasterrecovery
> >> switch; but there are some good chances your situation is now so
> >> compromised even this won't work.
> >>
> >>
> >> Massimo
> 
> 
> 
>
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:08:04 -0700   author:   ADP Comm

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
"ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:75088ACA-2FF5-463B-94CC-AB3379BE5732@microsoft.com...

> Thank you for all the replies everyone. Getting back to it, this is not 
> the
> sole Exch server on the network. It is our third, the others are a primary
> server, Exch 2003 and a second Exch12. The server in question is intended 
> for
> specific mailbox use and to isolate these mailboxes/addresses from the 
> rest
> of the servers.

This changes everything; I was assuming it was your only server, so 
re-creating the organization was the only option available. If you have two 
other working servers, you don't need to do that.

You can indeed remove Exchange from the server, then manually delete it from 
the administrative group it belonged to and then finally reinstall Exchange 
on it and rejoin it to the organization.

By the way, as you will need to reinstall Exchange on it anyway, maybe you 
could look for some other available server; you can run Exchange and SQL 
Server on the same machine, but it would be better to avod that.


Massimo
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:03:50 +0200   author:   Massimo

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
Can you give me some examples as to why running both on the same server is a 
bad idea or something to avoid?

"Massimo" wrote:

> "ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
> news:75088ACA-2FF5-463B-94CC-AB3379BE5732@microsoft.com...
> 
> > Thank you for all the replies everyone. Getting back to it, this is not 
> > the
> > sole Exch server on the network. It is our third, the others are a primary
> > server, Exch 2003 and a second Exch12. The server in question is intended 
> > for
> > specific mailbox use and to isolate these mailboxes/addresses from the 
> > rest
> > of the servers.
> 
> This changes everything; I was assuming it was your only server, so 
> re-creating the organization was the only option available. If you have two 
> other working servers, you don't need to do that.
> 
> You can indeed remove Exchange from the server, then manually delete it from 
> the administrative group it belonged to and then finally reinstall Exchange 
> on it and rejoin it to the organization.
> 
> By the way, as you will need to reinstall Exchange on it anyway, maybe you 
> could look for some other available server; you can run Exchange and SQL 
> Server on the same machine, but it would be better to avod that.
> 
> 
> Massimo
> 
>
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:18:02 -0700   author:   ADP Comm

Re: Exch 2003 and SQL 2005   
"ADP Comm"  ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:FDC914CE-E950-47E8-A94B-DB59B8A637B7@microsoft.com...

> Can you give me some examples as to why running both on the
> same server is a bad idea or something to avoid?

Other than performance issues, potential incompatibilities and security 
issues, it will also be a lot more difficult to troubleshoot such an 
installation if something should go wrong.
Microsoft doesn't recommend it, and I agree with them:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa997379(EXCHG.80).aspx

If you really, really, *really* need to host both applications on the same 
server, at least try to use different physical disks for the operating 
system, the SQL Server database files and the Exchange ones.


Massimo
date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:55:34 +0200   author:   Massimo

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