Active Directory trafic over WAN

Active Directory trafic over WAN

Looking into finding guide lines for Network traffic generation for AD logon 
and Exchange Mailbox access. ( both across a wan ).

Is there a document from MS that gives a ball park idea of how much network 
traffic is generated by each user logon and mailbox access..

Looking into designing a Network WAN infrastructure for a client with 2 
corporate head-quarters located in the same state and 40 retail location 
across the state. The retail locations will have 10 to 15 computers, but no 
servers on site, all AD authentication ( XP Client, Win2K3 servers ) and 
Exchange ( Exch2007, Outlook 2K3 or 2K7 with cache mode ) mailbox access 
will be over the WAN.

Thanks !!!

date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:59:49 -0500 author: Thinkpad21

Re: Active Directory trafic over WAN

I don't think you will be satisfied with the performance. I can't point you 
to a doc but from experience, we have 50+ offices all over the world. Each 
connected by a T1 to corporate and there is a definite benefit to having a 
DC in each office. Especially if you set up sites for each office.

Set up a test with a couple of offices, one with a DC and sites setup and 
one without a DC. For this purpose the test DC could just be a "box" cobbled 
together just for this test.

hth
DDS

"Thinkpad21"  wrote in message 
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> Looking into finding guide lines for Network traffic generation for AD 
> logon and Exchange Mailbox access. ( both across a wan ).
>
> Is there a document from MS that gives a ball park idea of how much 
> network traffic is generated by each user logon and mailbox access..
>
> Looking into designing a Network WAN infrastructure for a client with 2 
> corporate head-quarters located in the same state and 40 retail location 
> across the state. The retail locations will have 10 to 15 computers, but 
> no servers on site, all AD authentication ( XP Client, Win2K3 servers ) 
> and Exchange ( Exch2007, Outlook 2K3 or 2K7 with cache mode ) mailbox 
> access will be over the WAN.
>
> Thanks !!!
>
>

date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:31:50 -0700 author: Danny Sanders

Re: Active Directory trafic over WAN

The general guideline is that a link should be scaled so that when you add 
up all the users there's enough bandwidth at a minimum, using the guideline 
that heavy Outlook users consume 10Kbps, moderate 7Kbps, and light 5Kbps of 
bandwidth.  This is only a rough guideline.  If your users are using cached 
mode, you can probably get by with less because although the network use 
isn't much different, the user experience is much better.
-- 
Ed Crowley
MVP - Exchange
"Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"

"Thinkpad21"  wrote in message 
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> Looking into finding guide lines for Network traffic generation for AD 
> logon and Exchange Mailbox access. ( both across a wan ).
>
> Is there a document from MS that gives a ball park idea of how much 
> network traffic is generated by each user logon and mailbox access..
>
> Looking into designing a Network WAN infrastructure for a client with 2 
> corporate head-quarters located in the same state and 40 retail location 
> across the state. The retail locations will have 10 to 15 computers, but 
> no servers on site, all AD authentication ( XP Client, Win2K3 servers ) 
> and Exchange ( Exch2007, Outlook 2K3 or 2K7 with cache mode ) mailbox 
> access will be over the WAN.
>
> Thanks !!!
>
>

date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:50:39 -0800 author: Ed Crowley [MVP]

Re: Active Directory trafic over WAN

"Thinkpad21"  wrote in message 
news:u6i3bkSXIHA.4868@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Looking into finding guide lines for Network traffic generation for AD 
> logon and Exchange Mailbox access. ( both across a wan ).
>
> Is there a document from MS that gives a ball park idea of how much 
> network traffic is generated by each user logon and mailbox access..
>
> Looking into designing a Network WAN infrastructure for a client with 2 
> corporate head-quarters located in the same state and 40 retail location 
> across the state. The retail locations will have 10 to 15 computers, but 
> no servers on site, all AD authentication ( XP Client, Win2K3 servers ) 
> and Exchange ( Exch2007, Outlook 2K3 or 2K7 with cache mode ) mailbox 
> access will be over the WAN.
>
> Thanks !!!
>
>

I would look into the use of a Thin Client set-up, either Terminal Server 
within Windows or building on that with Citrix. That way there is only the 
neccesary traffic required for screen updates and thats pretty much it. No 
real data is transferred so the overhead on bandwidth is kept to a minimum. 
It just means investing slightly more in the servers at the head office 
location(s).

date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:54:54 GMT author: Danny Cooke

Re: Active Directory trafic over WAN

Ewwwww....
-- 
Ed Crowley
MVP - Exchange
"Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"

"Danny Cooke"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Thinkpad21"  wrote in message 
> news:u6i3bkSXIHA.4868@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Looking into finding guide lines for Network traffic generation for AD 
>> logon and Exchange Mailbox access. ( both across a wan ).
>>
>> Is there a document from MS that gives a ball park idea of how much 
>> network traffic is generated by each user logon and mailbox access..
>>
>> Looking into designing a Network WAN infrastructure for a client with 2 
>> corporate head-quarters located in the same state and 40 retail location 
>> across the state. The retail locations will have 10 to 15 computers, but 
>> no servers on site, all AD authentication ( XP Client, Win2K3 servers ) 
>> and Exchange ( Exch2007, Outlook 2K3 or 2K7 with cache mode ) mailbox 
>> access will be over the WAN.
>>
>> Thanks !!!
>>
>>
>
> I would look into the use of a Thin Client set-up, either Terminal Server 
> within Windows or building on that with Citrix. That way there is only the 
> neccesary traffic required for screen updates and thats pretty much it. No 
> real data is transferred so the overhead on bandwidth is kept to a 
> minimum. It just means investing slightly more in the servers at the head 
> office location(s).
>

date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:46:51 -0800 author: Ed Crowley [MVP]

Re: Active Directory trafic over WAN

"Ed Crowley [MVP]"  wrote:

>Ewwwww....

Not necessarily. Concurrent licensing can save a bundle of money using
Citrix and MS Office. It also means that you don't need a VPN to get
to all the data on your network if you work outside the LAN.

-- 
Rich Matheisen
MCSE+I, Exchange MVP
MS Exchange FAQ at http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
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date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:48:58 -0500 author: Rich Matheisen [MVP]

Re: Active Directory trafic over WAN

lmao Ed, how nice and constructive ;-p


"Ed Crowley [MVP]"  wrote in message 
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> Ewwwww....
> -- 
> Ed Crowley
> MVP - Exchange
> "Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"
>
> "Danny Cooke"  wrote in message 
> news:iSrlj.2579$UB4.1435@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Thinkpad21"  wrote in message 
>> news:u6i3bkSXIHA.4868@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Looking into finding guide lines for Network traffic generation for AD 
>>> logon and Exchange Mailbox access. ( both across a wan ).
>>>
>>> Is there a document from MS that gives a ball park idea of how much 
>>> network traffic is generated by each user logon and mailbox access..
>>>
>>> Looking into designing a Network WAN infrastructure for a client with 2 
>>> corporate head-quarters located in the same state and 40 retail location 
>>> across the state. The retail locations will have 10 to 15 computers, but 
>>> no servers on site, all AD authentication ( XP Client, Win2K3 servers ) 
>>> and Exchange ( Exch2007, Outlook 2K3 or 2K7 with cache mode ) mailbox 
>>> access will be over the WAN.
>>>
>>> Thanks !!!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I would look into the use of a Thin Client set-up, either Terminal Server 
>> within Windows or building on that with Citrix. That way there is only 
>> the neccesary traffic required for screen updates and thats pretty much 
>> it. No real data is transferred so the overhead on bandwidth is kept to a 
>> minimum. It just means investing slightly more in the servers at the head 
>> office location(s).
>>
>
>

date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:40:30 GMT author: Danny Cooke

Re: Active Directory trafic over WAN

Lot's of opinions, but I didn't see where anyone gave you an actual 
reference documents.  Here:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/2003/clinettraf.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/2000/library/reskit/part5/c21brnch.mspx?mfr=true




"Thinkpad21"  wrote in message 
news:u6i3bkSXIHA.4868@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Looking into finding guide lines for Network traffic generation for AD 
> logon and Exchange Mailbox access. ( both across a wan ).
>
> Is there a document from MS that gives a ball park idea of how much 
> network traffic is generated by each user logon and mailbox access..
>
> Looking into designing a Network WAN infrastructure for a client with 2 
> corporate head-quarters located in the same state and 40 retail location 
> across the state. The retail locations will have 10 to 15 computers, but 
> no servers on site, all AD authentication ( XP Client, Win2K3 servers ) 
> and Exchange ( Exch2007, Outlook 2K3 or 2K7 with cache mode ) mailbox 
> access will be over the WAN.
>
> Thanks !!!
>
>

date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:01:16 -0800 author: John Fullbright fjohn@donotspamnetappdotcom