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date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:24:02 -0700,    group: microsoft.public.exchange.design        back       


Back end front end design   
Hi all, 

We have 4 branches almost 70 employees in each branch; right now all users 
are accessing our Exchange 2003 cluster at the head office. My Boss wants to 
install Exchange server at each branch to minimize WAN traffic. So we need to 
install Exchange server & create mailboxes associate with each branch office. 
Does front end back end setup can help me? Please help 

Mazen
date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:24:02 -0700   author:   Mazen

Re: Back end front end design   
Mazen,

If the employees will all access the servers from inside the organisations 
network then a Front-end topology will not be of any benefit.

Have a look at 
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3FrontBack/e7fa5dcc-d93f-4441-aace-c52e5baedc2a.mspx?mfr=true 
and also 
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/2003/library/febetop.mspx

Regards

Paul Ford
Edge IT Ltd

"Mazen"  wrote in message 
news:87C64DDE-5479-46E6-BA99-27BFBA4F637B@microsoft.com...
> Hi all,
>
> We have 4 branches almost 70 employees in each branch; right now all users
> are accessing our Exchange 2003 cluster at the head office. My Boss wants 
> to
> install Exchange server at each branch to minimize WAN traffic. So we need 
> to
> install Exchange server & create mailboxes associate with each branch 
> office.
> Does front end back end setup can help me? Please help
>
> Mazen
>
date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:20:24 +0100   author:   Paul Ford

Re: Back end front end design   
Thanx Paul 

i am looking for a soultion to have multiple mailbox Server with one domain. 
so i can place each server in different city....

Regards, 
Mazen
date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:27:02 -0700   author:   Mazen

Re: Back end front end design   
Yes mazen, deploy an Exchange server in each location. use the routing group 
topology
Check this: 
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3TransnRouting/54165310-f98c-4757-b5ca-1f0ea35d2252.mspx?mfr=true
and this: 
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3TechRef/1b43ddbf-e140-4b51-ac8b-d1a3ce0bd7bc.mspx?mfr=true

-- 
Loay Olabi - [MVP]
MCSA, MCSE
Website: http://www.olabinet.net
Blog: http://www.olabinet.net/loay


"Mazen" wrote:

> Thanx Paul 
> 
> i am looking for a soultion to have multiple mailbox Server with one domain. 
> so i can place each server in different city....
> 
> Regards, 
> Mazen
date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:11:01 -0700   author:   Loay Olabi - [MVP]

Re: Back end front end design   
Front-End Server will not really help much unless your have specific 
security requirements and your network has differing DMZ layers.

It possible it best to centralize the servers as less need to managed. More 
server will add more hardware and software cost. Then there is the time to 
manage backups, deploy patches and troubleshoot problems. If you are adding 
more server weigh up the overhead compared to increasing network bandwidth. 
Also network bandwidth can be prioritized by allowing certain traffic to 
have a higher priority.




"Mazen"  wrote in message 
news:87C64DDE-5479-46E6-BA99-27BFBA4F637B@microsoft.com...
> Hi all,
>
> We have 4 branches almost 70 employees in each branch; right now all users
> are accessing our Exchange 2003 cluster at the head office. My Boss wants 
> to
> install Exchange server at each branch to minimize WAN traffic. So we need 
> to
> install Exchange server & create mailboxes associate with each branch 
> office.
> Does front end back end setup can help me? Please help
>
> Mazen
>
date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:22:23 +1000   author:   Andrew Sword [MVP]

Re: Back end front end design   
Hi Andrew

Appreciate your point & defiantly agree with you. I explain that to the 
management but they ready to spend money & accept any consciousness in the 
long run 

Loay, 

Does the routing topology can determine mailbox location? 

Example 
User in the Site1 should not comminute to any server unless the mailbox is 
not located in the same server 

also if you can tell me the Minimum bandwidth requirement for GC's 
replication 

Mazen.
date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:46:01 -0700   author:   Mazen

Re: Back end front end design   
No, you could still have instances where the user would have to communicate 
across the WAN to access data.  For example, public folder data would have 
to traverse the WAN at some point (whether to replicate or to be accessed - 
decision is which is going to be more).  If you share mailbox folders, 
you'll have to access that mailbox regardless of where it lives (which 
site).

I think your management misunderstands how Exchange works on the wire. It is 
FAR better with respect to the network to follow Andrew's topology 
suggestions vs. decentralizing Exchange.  In addition to the network traffic 
for mail, you also have to traverse the WAN for authentication/directory 
usage. If you instead use the cached mode and possibly use RPC/HTTP you 
don't ever have to use the WAN if you have internet connections from each 
site and you can contain your Exchange server in the same site, provide 
better backup/recovery services and likely reduce the network bandwidth used 
on the WAN.

It's a tradeoff between user traffic and replication, routing, Active 
Directory, etc traffic, and the client accessing the servers for service. 
There's some consideration to user perception of service in there, but that 
comes later in this conversation I think.

Al


"Mazen"  wrote in message 
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>
> Hi Andrew
>
> Appreciate your point & defiantly agree with you. I explain that to the
> management but they ready to spend money & accept any consciousness in the
> long run
>
> Loay,
>
> Does the routing topology can determine mailbox location?
>
> Example
> User in the Site1 should not comminute to any server unless the mailbox is
> not located in the same server
>
> also if you can tell me the Minimum bandwidth requirement for GC's
> replication
>
> Mazen.
>
>
date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:55:28 -0400   author:   Al Mulnick

Re: Back end front end design   
OK,
Lets say, i have dedicated exchange server on each site,
not a front end back end solution, 
all the servers will be having the same domain name for mail.
for example example.com
so i have like 10 servers with the name example.com  when user from site 1 
sending to a user on site 4 he will type his e-mail@example.com which is not 
existing on site's 1 server,
can i configure exchange to route specific users to specific servers and so 
on?
thanks
Mazen
date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:47:01 -0700   author:   Mazen

Re: Back end front end design   
You miss the point of Exchange.  Exchange handles that routing for you 
making it so you, the admin don't have to worry about where the user is 
located in relation to his email address.

Short answer, that would work effortlessly (note, some clients will even 
resolve the user name prior to sending the message, others will be submitted 
to the server and then routed properly; this is in contrast to the 
Sendmail/Postfix routing scheme which uses a one-domain/one-host <OK, 
natively it does this but could be different in theory> routing topology by 
default.

Does that help? Or have I just confused things?

"Mazen"  wrote in message 
news:8104593A-CCE6-4594-8DA8-274B44BAA9A1@microsoft.com...
> OK,
> Lets say, i have dedicated exchange server on each site,
> not a front end back end solution,
> all the servers will be having the same domain name for mail.
> for example example.com
> so i have like 10 servers with the name example.com  when user from site 1
> sending to a user on site 4 he will type his e-mail@example.com which is 
> not
> existing on site's 1 server,
> can i configure exchange to route specific users to specific servers and 
> so
> on?
> thanks
> Mazen
date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:54:18 -0400   author:   Al Mulnick

Re: Back end front end design   
Another  point to consider in centralizing Exchange is mail will need to be 
delivered to relevant servers at each site, there will be Public Folder and 
AD replication.

If management is aware of the advantages and disadvantages of each approach 
there's not much else to do.


"Mazen"  wrote in message 
news:3C5F7E4A-C7AA-46B4-B8A8-E0948381C101@microsoft.com...
>
> Hi Andrew
>
> Appreciate your point & defiantly agree with you. I explain that to the
> management but they ready to spend money & accept any consciousness in the
> long run
>
> Loay,
>
> Does the routing topology can determine mailbox location?
>
> Example
> User in the Site1 should not comminute to any server unless the mailbox is
> not located in the same server
>
> also if you can tell me the Minimum bandwidth requirement for GC's
> replication
>
> Mazen.
>
>
date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:01:44 +1000   author:   Andrew Sword [MVP]

Re: Back end front end design   
Andrew & Al mulnick, 

Thanks for your help in this regards, I know am gonna have nightmare 
maintaining these servers, but nothing I can do about it. Anyway I have last 
request since I never done such exchange deployment i need some step by step 
guide 
Appreciate if any Good website for the same  

A million thanx    
Mazen
date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:58:01 -0700   author:   Mazen

Re: Back end front end design   
No worries.  There's a lot of step by step instructions here: 
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/library
You'll also want to have a look here: http://www.microsoft.com/ad

Drop a note if you get stuck!

Al


"Mazen"  wrote in message 
news:8FECE81A-5394-45B4-B14F-43F25D4ACC04@microsoft.com...
> Andrew & Al mulnick,
>
> Thanks for your help in this regards, I know am gonna have nightmare
> maintaining these servers, but nothing I can do about it. Anyway I have 
> last
> request since I never done such exchange deployment i need some step by 
> step
> guide
> Appreciate if any Good website for the same ?
>
> A million thanx
> Mazen
>
date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:43:37 -0400   author:   Al Mulnick

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