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date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:48:14 -0800,    group: microsoft.public.exchange.design        back       


SMTP service and routing groups   
Does anybody know if the SMTP service that is used for communications 
between routing groups, and the smtp service used for virtual SMTP 
servers is the same.  Is it the same binary?  Where I am going on this 
is trying to explain to management if putting SMTP for mail traffic 
should be removed from the BackEnd Server and moved to a FrontEnd 
Server.  The question is the cost of the hardware.  What does Microsoft 
reccomend doing?  I know that there are things like A/V, DoS attacks, 
redundancy (though again, why not run SMTP for mail on a back end 
server).  I guess what I need is the following:  what is Microsoft's 
best practice reccomendation for SMTP virtual server and if it is the 
same service(binary) used for routing groups.  Any links to Microsoft 
papers would be helpful.

Please reply to microsoft.new=@=adamb.com
date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:48:14 -0800   author:   Adam Berns

Re: SMTP service and routing groups   
SMTP is the transport used by Exchange 200x servers to transfer mail - even 
between 2 Exchange servers in the same Routing Group. You shouldn't remove 
SMTP svc from Exchange servers - except on Front-End servers where you don't 
want to use SMTP (the FE will only be used for HTTP (OWA), IMAP4 or POP3).
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3TransnRouting/0fe7e642-daec-4b1e-b9a9-836e38f2a776.mspx

To route mail to/from the Internet you can setup a smarthost in your DMZ. 
This can be a non-Windows box running SMTP (like postifx, sendmail, et al), 
or a Windows box running IIS SMTPsvc (that's not a member of the domain). 
Set up a SMTP Connector to deliver to this smarthost. Alternatively, you can 
also use your ISP's smtp server - contact them for details. Another 
alternative is to use a service provider like Postini that also does 
anti-spam/anti-virus on smtp mail.

The MX record in external/public DNS points to this smarthost as well.

This allows your internal Exchange server to only communicate with a single, 
trusted smtp server (either on your DMZ or at your ISP) to send/receive 
internet mail.
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/mnp_utility.mspx/framesmenu?url=/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3TransnRouting/0fe7e642-daec-4b1e-b9a9-836e38f2a776.mspx
-- 
Bharat Suneja
MCSE, MCT
www.zenprise.com
blog: www.suneja.com/blog
-----------------------------------------


"Adam Berns"  wrote in message 
news:43f17d30$0$58058$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Does anybody know if the SMTP service that is used for communications 
> between routing groups, and the smtp service used for virtual SMTP servers 
> is the same.  Is it the same binary?  Where I am going on this is trying 
> to explain to management if putting SMTP for mail traffic should be 
> removed from the BackEnd Server and moved to a FrontEnd Server.  The 
> question is the cost of the hardware.  What does Microsoft reccomend 
> doing?  I know that there are things like A/V, DoS attacks, redundancy 
> (though again, why not run SMTP for mail on a back end server).  I guess 
> what I need is the following:  what is Microsoft's best practice 
> reccomendation for SMTP virtual server and if it is the same 
> service(binary) used for routing groups.  Any links to Microsoft papers 
> would be helpful.
>
> Please reply to microsoft.new=@=adamb.com
date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:54:27 -0800   author:   Bharat Suneja

Re: SMTP service and routing groups   
Bharat Suneja wrote:
> SMTP is the transport used by Exchange 200x servers to transfer mail - even 
> between 2 Exchange servers in the same Routing Group. You shouldn't remove 
> SMTP svc from Exchange servers - except on Front-End servers where you don't 
> want to use SMTP (the FE will only be used for HTTP (OWA), IMAP4 or POP3).
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3TransnRouting/0fe7e642-daec-4b1e-b9a9-836e38f2a776.mspx
> 
> To route mail to/from the Internet you can setup a smarthost in your DMZ. 
> This can be a non-Windows box running SMTP (like postifx, sendmail, et al), 
> or a Windows box running IIS SMTPsvc (that's not a member of the domain). 
> Set up a SMTP Connector to deliver to this smarthost. Alternatively, you can 
> also use your ISP's smtp server - contact them for details. Another 
> alternative is to use a service provider like Postini that also does 
> anti-spam/anti-virus on smtp mail.
> 
> The MX record in external/public DNS points to this smarthost as well.
> 
> This allows your internal Exchange server to only communicate with a single, 
> trusted smtp server (either on your DMZ or at your ISP) to send/receive 
> internet mail.
> http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/mnp_utility.mspx/framesmenu?url=/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3TransnRouting/0fe7e642-daec-4b1e-b9a9-836e38f2a776.mspx
that sort of answers the question.  But what I am really looking for is 
any white paper that talks about best practices fro SMTP service on a 
FrontEnd or BackEnd.  I know that you need smtp to talk between servers, 
and if you stop it, well, you are SOL.
date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:48:29 -0800   author:   Adam Berns

Re: SMTP service and routing groups   
Check
- 
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/msit/operations/smtpggatewaysnote.mspx
- 
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/2003/library/extransrout.mspx

-- 
Bharat Suneja
MCSE, MCT
www.zenprise.com
blog: www.suneja.com/blog
-----------------------------------------


"Adam Berns"  wrote in message 
news:43f209de$0$58059$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Bharat Suneja wrote:
>> SMTP is the transport used by Exchange 200x servers to transfer mail - 
>> even between 2 Exchange servers in the same Routing Group. You shouldn't 
>> remove SMTP svc from Exchange servers - except on Front-End servers where 
>> you don't want to use SMTP (the FE will only be used for HTTP (OWA), 
>> IMAP4 or POP3).
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3TransnRouting/0fe7e642-daec-4b1e-b9a9-836e38f2a776.mspx
>>
>> To route mail to/from the Internet you can setup a smarthost in your DMZ. 
>> This can be a non-Windows box running SMTP (like postifx, sendmail, et 
>> al), or a Windows box running IIS SMTPsvc (that's not a member of the 
>> domain). Set up a SMTP Connector to deliver to this smarthost. 
>> Alternatively, you can also use your ISP's smtp server - contact them for 
>> details. Another alternative is to use a service provider like Postini 
>> that also does anti-spam/anti-virus on smtp mail.
>>
>> The MX record in external/public DNS points to this smarthost as well.
>>
>> This allows your internal Exchange server to only communicate with a 
>> single, trusted smtp server (either on your DMZ or at your ISP) to 
>> send/receive internet mail.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/mnp_utility.mspx/framesmenu?url=/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3TransnRouting/0fe7e642-daec-4b1e-b9a9-836e38f2a776.mspx
> that sort of answers the question.  But what I am really looking for is 
> any white paper that talks about best practices fro SMTP service on a 
> FrontEnd or BackEnd.  I know that you need smtp to talk between servers, 
> and if you stop it, well, you are SOL.
date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:06:23 -0800   author:   Bharat Suneja

Re: SMTP service and routing groups   
Bharat Suneja wrote:
> Check
> - 
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/msit/operations/smtpggatewaysnote.mspx
> - 
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/2003/library/extransrout.mspx
> 
thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for!
date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:30:59 -0800   author:   Adam Berns

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