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date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:53:29 -0800,    group: microsoft.public.exchange.design        back       


Two Site and One Exchange Server   
Hi 

I hopw i explain this right, currently we have two separate office sites, at 
the moment both sites run there own domains and Exchange 5.5 servers on NT4 
indepenently.
What i was wondering was we are now talking about upgrading both sites to 
Win 2003 servers and Exchange 2003, could i take this opportunity to just use 
one Exchange server at the main site and make use of AD for that Exchange 
server to send and receive all email for the companys both sites.
My worry is that the sites are connected via a broadband VPN link at the 
moment and i am afraid that the comms infrastrucuture would not be able to 
handle the mail flow and the remote site would be very slow to get email.

Does anybody have any advice on this.

Cheers
-- 
goodit
date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:53:29 -0800   author:   Belron

Re: Two Site and One Exchange Server   
I think I understand what you're saying.  Let me play it back just to be 
sure.

You have two sites that are each currently running NT4/Exchange 5.5 
self-contained.
You may want to host just one active directory forest (same security 
context) and one Exchange organization for both but you're concerned about 
the reliability of the VPN broadband link. Is that correct?

If so, then I think the following might be worth your time to investigate:

1) create a single AD forest and migrate the domain(s) to it. It's possible 
that one office is larger than the other and you'll want to upgrade in place 
for one and migrate the other. Deploy at least two domain controllers, one 
for each site. Make both a GC.
2) Deploy a single Exchange 2003 infrastructure with a mailbox server at 
both sites OR one server at one site with all users using that server. 
Investigate using RPC/HTTP and route all mailbox traffic via the public 
internet vs the VPN tunnel. I think the latter is much more appealing.

-ajm


"Belron"  wrote in message 
news:027EB81E-7808-4C5E-8571-3CD69D41B2B3@microsoft.com...
> Hi
>
> I hopw i explain this right, currently we have two separate office sites, 
> at
> the moment both sites run there own domains and Exchange 5.5 servers on 
> NT4
> indepenently.
> What i was wondering was we are now talking about upgrading both sites to
> Win 2003 servers and Exchange 2003, could i take this opportunity to just 
> use
> one Exchange server at the main site and make use of AD for that Exchange
> server to send and receive all email for the companys both sites.
> My worry is that the sites are connected via a broadband VPN link at the
> moment and i am afraid that the comms infrastrucuture would not be able to
> handle the mail flow and the remote site would be very slow to get email.
>
> Does anybody have any advice on this.
>
> Cheers
> -- 
> goodit
date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:11:56 -0500   author:   Al Mulnick

Re: Two Site and One Exchange Server   
Thanks Al,

That clears some things up, I wonder if you dont mind if you could elaborate 
on a mailbox server at each site, does this mean i need exchange 2003 at each 
site?
And in your experience does the RPC/HTTP links work well.

Cheers

-- 
goodit


"Al Mulnick" wrote:

> I think I understand what you're saying.  Let me play it back just to be 
> sure.
> 
> You have two sites that are each currently running NT4/Exchange 5.5 
> self-contained.
> You may want to host just one active directory forest (same security 
> context) and one Exchange organization for both but you're concerned about 
> the reliability of the VPN broadband link. Is that correct?
> 
> If so, then I think the following might be worth your time to investigate:
> 
> 1) create a single AD forest and migrate the domain(s) to it. It's possible 
> that one office is larger than the other and you'll want to upgrade in place 
> for one and migrate the other. Deploy at least two domain controllers, one 
> for each site. Make both a GC.
> 2) Deploy a single Exchange 2003 infrastructure with a mailbox server at 
> both sites OR one server at one site with all users using that server. 
> Investigate using RPC/HTTP and route all mailbox traffic via the public 
> internet vs the VPN tunnel. I think the latter is much more appealing.
> 
> -ajm
> 
> 
> "Belron"  wrote in message 
> news:027EB81E-7808-4C5E-8571-3CD69D41B2B3@microsoft.com...
> > Hi
> >
> > I hopw i explain this right, currently we have two separate office sites, 
> > at
> > the moment both sites run there own domains and Exchange 5.5 servers on 
> > NT4
> > indepenently.
> > What i was wondering was we are now talking about upgrading both sites to
> > Win 2003 servers and Exchange 2003, could i take this opportunity to just 
> > use
> > one Exchange server at the main site and make use of AD for that Exchange
> > server to send and receive all email for the companys both sites.
> > My worry is that the sites are connected via a broadband VPN link at the
> > moment and i am afraid that the comms infrastrucuture would not be able to
> > handle the mail flow and the remote site would be very slow to get email.
> >
> > Does anybody have any advice on this.
> >
> > Cheers
> > -- 
> > goodit 
> 
> 
>
date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:49:27 -0800   author:   Belron

Re: Two Site and One Exchange Server   
RPC/HTTP works far better than I'd like to admit to ;)
Especially in situations like this, RPC/HTTP can be quite useful.

I don't know that you do need a mailbox server in both sites, but it's 
possible that you do.  If you have network problems, such as the vpn being 
unusable, routers going down, etc that might affect their ability to get 
mail, or you have large email attachments then you might want to consider 
putting the mail server local with respect to the client. Nice thing about 
RPC/HTTP is that it can be used from anywhere via the internet, so you can 
avoid most of the issues above and save money and increase manageability by 
having the server in one location only. Mostly depends on your needs.

Al

"Belron"  wrote in message 
news:BA295D20-7B1A-43B1-BE91-2FF270C34839@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Al,
>
> That clears some things up, I wonder if you dont mind if you could 
> elaborate
> on a mailbox server at each site, does this mean i need exchange 2003 at 
> each
> site?
> And in your experience does the RPC/HTTP links work well.
>
> Cheers
>
> -- 
> goodit
>
>
> "Al Mulnick" wrote:
>
>> I think I understand what you're saying.  Let me play it back just to be
>> sure.
>>
>> You have two sites that are each currently running NT4/Exchange 5.5
>> self-contained.
>> You may want to host just one active directory forest (same security
>> context) and one Exchange organization for both but you're concerned 
>> about
>> the reliability of the VPN broadband link. Is that correct?
>>
>> If so, then I think the following might be worth your time to 
>> investigate:
>>
>> 1) create a single AD forest and migrate the domain(s) to it. It's 
>> possible
>> that one office is larger than the other and you'll want to upgrade in 
>> place
>> for one and migrate the other. Deploy at least two domain controllers, 
>> one
>> for each site. Make both a GC.
>> 2) Deploy a single Exchange 2003 infrastructure with a mailbox server at
>> both sites OR one server at one site with all users using that server.
>> Investigate using RPC/HTTP and route all mailbox traffic via the public
>> internet vs the VPN tunnel. I think the latter is much more appealing.
>>
>> -ajm
>>
>>
>> "Belron"  wrote in message
>> news:027EB81E-7808-4C5E-8571-3CD69D41B2B3@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > I hopw i explain this right, currently we have two separate office 
>> > sites,
>> > at
>> > the moment both sites run there own domains and Exchange 5.5 servers on
>> > NT4
>> > indepenently.
>> > What i was wondering was we are now talking about upgrading both sites 
>> > to
>> > Win 2003 servers and Exchange 2003, could i take this opportunity to 
>> > just
>> > use
>> > one Exchange server at the main site and make use of AD for that 
>> > Exchange
>> > server to send and receive all email for the companys both sites.
>> > My worry is that the sites are connected via a broadband VPN link at 
>> > the
>> > moment and i am afraid that the comms infrastrucuture would not be able 
>> > to
>> > handle the mail flow and the remote site would be very slow to get 
>> > email.
>> >
>> > Does anybody have any advice on this.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > -- 
>> > goodit
>>
>>
>>
date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:29:14 -0500   author:   Al Mulnick

Re: Two Site and One Exchange Server   
thanks Al, all great stuff
-- 
goodit


"Al Mulnick" wrote:

> RPC/HTTP works far better than I'd like to admit to ;)
> Especially in situations like this, RPC/HTTP can be quite useful.
> 
> I don't know that you do need a mailbox server in both sites, but it's 
> possible that you do.  If you have network problems, such as the vpn being 
> unusable, routers going down, etc that might affect their ability to get 
> mail, or you have large email attachments then you might want to consider 
> putting the mail server local with respect to the client. Nice thing about 
> RPC/HTTP is that it can be used from anywhere via the internet, so you can 
> avoid most of the issues above and save money and increase manageability by 
> having the server in one location only. Mostly depends on your needs.
> 
> Al
> 
> "Belron"  wrote in message 
> news:BA295D20-7B1A-43B1-BE91-2FF270C34839@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Al,
> >
> > That clears some things up, I wonder if you dont mind if you could 
> > elaborate
> > on a mailbox server at each site, does this mean i need exchange 2003 at 
> > each
> > site?
> > And in your experience does the RPC/HTTP links work well.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > -- 
> > goodit
> >
> >
> > "Al Mulnick" wrote:
> >
> >> I think I understand what you're saying.  Let me play it back just to be
> >> sure.
> >>
> >> You have two sites that are each currently running NT4/Exchange 5.5
> >> self-contained.
> >> You may want to host just one active directory forest (same security
> >> context) and one Exchange organization for both but you're concerned 
> >> about
> >> the reliability of the VPN broadband link. Is that correct?
> >>
> >> If so, then I think the following might be worth your time to 
> >> investigate:
> >>
> >> 1) create a single AD forest and migrate the domain(s) to it. It's 
> >> possible
> >> that one office is larger than the other and you'll want to upgrade in 
> >> place
> >> for one and migrate the other. Deploy at least two domain controllers, 
> >> one
> >> for each site. Make both a GC.
> >> 2) Deploy a single Exchange 2003 infrastructure with a mailbox server at
> >> both sites OR one server at one site with all users using that server.
> >> Investigate using RPC/HTTP and route all mailbox traffic via the public
> >> internet vs the VPN tunnel. I think the latter is much more appealing.
> >>
> >> -ajm
> >>
> >>
> >> "Belron"  wrote in message
> >> news:027EB81E-7808-4C5E-8571-3CD69D41B2B3@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi
> >> >
> >> > I hopw i explain this right, currently we have two separate office 
> >> > sites,
> >> > at
> >> > the moment both sites run there own domains and Exchange 5.5 servers on
> >> > NT4
> >> > indepenently.
> >> > What i was wondering was we are now talking about upgrading both sites 
> >> > to
> >> > Win 2003 servers and Exchange 2003, could i take this opportunity to 
> >> > just
> >> > use
> >> > one Exchange server at the main site and make use of AD for that 
> >> > Exchange
> >> > server to send and receive all email for the companys both sites.
> >> > My worry is that the sites are connected via a broadband VPN link at 
> >> > the
> >> > moment and i am afraid that the comms infrastrucuture would not be able 
> >> > to
> >> > handle the mail flow and the remote site would be very slow to get 
> >> > email.
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody have any advice on this.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > -- 
> >> > goodit
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> 
> 
>
date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:11:27 -0800   author:   Belron

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