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date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:38:01 -0800,    group: microsoft.public.exchange.clustering        back       


NLB + CAS \ HT Server IP question.   
Hi All,

I am new to the concept of NLB so pardon me for my ignorance. 

After reading Henrik Walther's excellent articles on the NLB I would like to 
setup NLB with Unicast and dual NICs for the two Exchange 2007 CAS / HT 
servers that we have. However, I am confused about the IP ranges and traffic 
flow on the 2 NICs.

Server 1 

So on NIC1 ( Public ) 
IP :10.0.0.100   ( Server 2 - 10.0.0.101 )
SM : 255.255.0.0
GW : 10.0.0.1

NIC 2 ( NLB )
IP : 192.168.100.100 ( Server 2 - 192.168.100.101 )
SM : 255.255.0.0
no GW or DNS

NLB Cluster DNS entry (192.168.100.200 )

From what I have gathered from the articles ( and please correct me if I am 
wrong ) I would need to register a DNS entry for the NLB Cluster.  I think I 
would also need to have the firewall NAT to the NLB Cluster IP but there's 
where I can't get my head around this.

I know traffic is suppose to traverse thru the NLB cluster but does the 
traffic need to go thru a gateway or does it behave more like a Virtual IP 
with heartbeat functions ?

If I only have 2 servers to NLB would it be sufficient to use a crossover 
cable between the 2 servers or am I completely wrong and need to have the 
traffic be routable ( on it's own seperate network with a gateway )


Would the correct answer be ...

1)  Firewall ( 10.0.0.1 ) --> Public IP ( 10.0.0.100 ) <> NLB Clu ( 
192.168.100.200 ) ( own segment but no gateway ) 

or

2 ) Firewall ( 192.168.100.1 ) -- > NLB Clu ( 192.168.100.200 ) <> Public IP 
( 10.0.0.100 ) ---> Inside Network ---> Firewall ( 10.0.0.1 )


I am semi-familiar with clustering so I am afraid I am mixing the 2 ideas 
and confusing myself to death...

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated before I pound my head into the 
wall...

Thanks in advance and best regards,
Q
date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:38:01 -0800   author:   QChang

Re: NLB + CAS \ HT Server IP question.   
1. Set up your servers using just 1 NIC. Configure it with each server's IP 
address, register those IPs with DNS, configure a DNS Server and a Gateway.
2. Configure the 2nd NIC. The 2nd NIC will ONLY be used for NLB. Each of 
these NICs will have an IP address of your production network segment, but 
you don't need to register these IPs with DNS, neither you need to configure 
DNS Server or Gateway for this 2nd NIC.
3. Each 2nd NIC on each server will share a virtual IP address (the NLB IP 
address). This is the IP you must register with DNS.

The concept here is a little bit different from clustering, it's not an 
heartbeat, it's a dedicated NIC for NLB.

And please remember that you should only load-balance ports 80 and 443!

-- 
Rui Silva
MVP Windows Server System - Exchange Server
Blog "subject: exchange", http://msmvps.com/ehlo


"QChang"  wrote in message 
news:A3DE75C1-BA2B-44C0-88B8-F68BD1341B6E@microsoft.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I am new to the concept of NLB so pardon me for my ignorance.
>
> After reading Henrik Walther's excellent articles on the NLB I would like 
> to
> setup NLB with Unicast and dual NICs for the two Exchange 2007 CAS / HT
> servers that we have. However, I am confused about the IP ranges and 
> traffic
> flow on the 2 NICs.
>
> Server 1
>
> So on NIC1 ( Public )
> IP :10.0.0.100   ( Server 2 - 10.0.0.101 )
> SM : 255.255.0.0
> GW : 10.0.0.1
>
> NIC 2 ( NLB )
> IP : 192.168.100.100 ( Server 2 - 192.168.100.101 )
> SM : 255.255.0.0
> no GW or DNS
>
> NLB Cluster DNS entry (192.168.100.200 )
>
> From what I have gathered from the articles ( and please correct me if I 
> am
> wrong ) I would need to register a DNS entry for the NLB Cluster.  I think 
> I
> would also need to have the firewall NAT to the NLB Cluster IP but there's
> where I can't get my head around this.
>
> I know traffic is suppose to traverse thru the NLB cluster but does the
> traffic need to go thru a gateway or does it behave more like a Virtual IP
> with heartbeat functions ?
>
> If I only have 2 servers to NLB would it be sufficient to use a crossover
> cable between the 2 servers or am I completely wrong and need to have the
> traffic be routable ( on it's own seperate network with a gateway )
>
>
> Would the correct answer be ...
>
> 1)  Firewall ( 10.0.0.1 ) --> Public IP ( 10.0.0.100 ) <> NLB Clu (
> 192.168.100.200 ) ( own segment but no gateway )
>
> or
>
> 2 ) Firewall ( 192.168.100.1 ) -- > NLB Clu ( 192.168.100.200 ) <> Public 
> IP
> ( 10.0.0.100 ) ---> Inside Network ---> Firewall ( 10.0.0.1 )
>
>
> I am semi-familiar with clustering so I am afraid I am mixing the 2 ideas
> and confusing myself to death...
>
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated before I pound my head into 
> the
> wall...
>
> Thanks in advance and best regards,
> Q
>
date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:41:08 -0000   author:   Rui Silva [MVP] rjms1808(nospam4me)@hotmail.com

Re: NLB + CAS \ HT Server IP question.   
"QChang"  wrote in message 
news:A3DE75C1-BA2B-44C0-88B8-F68BD1341B6E@microsoft.com...
> After reading Henrik Walther's excellent articles on the NLB I would like 
> to
> setup NLB with Unicast and dual NICs for the two Exchange 2007 CAS / HT
> servers that we have. However, I am confused about the IP ranges and 
> traffic
> flow on the 2 NICs.
>
> Server 1
>
> So on NIC1 ( Public )
> IP :10.0.0.100   ( Server 2 - 10.0.0.101 )
> SM : 255.255.0.0
> GW : 10.0.0.1
>
> NIC 2 ( NLB )
> IP : 192.168.100.100 ( Server 2 - 192.168.100.101 )
> SM : 255.255.0.0
> no GW or DNS
>
> NLB Cluster DNS entry (192.168.100.200 )

You probably want to put the GW and DNS on the NLB NICs. After all, the NLB 
NIC needs to route packets to the world, right?

> From what I have gathered from the articles ( and please correct me if I 
> am
> wrong ) I would need to register a DNS entry for the NLB Cluster.

Yes. Configure the DNS record to hit the firewall and then the firewall 
route from it to the internal NLB cluster IP.

> I know traffic is suppose to traverse thru the NLB cluster but does the
> traffic need to go thru a gateway or does it behave more like a Virtual IP
> with heartbeat functions ?

The VIP is the NLB cluster address where you want to direct incoming 
traffic.

> If I only have 2 servers to NLB would it be sufficient to use a crossover
> cable between the 2 servers or am I completely wrong and need to have the
> traffic be routable ( on it's own seperate network with a gateway )

No, cross over cables are not used as this is not like a cluster when it 
comes to intracluster communication. All intracluster communciation travels 
over the NLB'd NICs.

> 2 ) Firewall ( 192.168.100.1 ) -- > NLB Clu ( 192.168.100.200 ) <> Public 
> IP
> ( 10.0.0.100 ) ---> Inside Network ---> Firewall ( 10.0.0.1 )

Everything goes to the VIP. The non-NLB NICs are used to connect to the 
individual nodes for management purposes, i.e. to patch the node.

For more info on NLB with CAS and HT, you might want to look at this entry:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/clusterhelp/archive/2007/10/05/exchange-server-2007-hub-transport-and-client-access-service-on-the-same-nlb-cluster.aspx


-- 
Russ Kaufmann
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
ClusterHelp.com, a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner
Web http://www.clusterhelp.com
Blog http://msmvps.com/clusterhelp

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Mar 10- 13 in Denver
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date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:05:45 -0700   author:   Russ Kaufmann [MVP]

Re: NLB + CAS \ HT Server IP question.   
Hi Rui,

Thank you for your reply.  So just to recap.

I create an DNS entry for the NLB cluster IP  ( with a production network IP 
10.0.0.110 ).

I would setup the servers with one NIC first ( 10.0.0.100 ) and make sure 
the DNS and Gateway is correct.  

I would then install the second NIC with an IP from the production 
environment  ( ie. 10.0.0.105 ) and make sure that it is physically connect 
to the production network or ( just to each other on a seperate hub ) ?   

I thought I have found the answer before but now after reading many 
different answers I am back to square 1 ( confused ) again...

Help please.

Thanks and regards,
Quentin


"Rui Silva [MVP]" wrote:

> 1. Set up your servers using just 1 NIC. Configure it with each server's IP 
> address, register those IPs with DNS, configure a DNS Server and a Gateway.
> 2. Configure the 2nd NIC. The 2nd NIC will ONLY be used for NLB. Each of 
> these NICs will have an IP address of your production network segment, but 
> you don't need to register these IPs with DNS, neither you need to configure 
> DNS Server or Gateway for this 2nd NIC.
> 3. Each 2nd NIC on each server will share a virtual IP address (the NLB IP 
> address). This is the IP you must register with DNS.
> 
> The concept here is a little bit different from clustering, it's not an 
> heartbeat, it's a dedicated NIC for NLB.
> 
> And please remember that you should only load-balance ports 80 and 443!
> 
> -- 
> Rui Silva
> MVP Windows Server System - Exchange Server
> Blog "subject: exchange", http://msmvps.com/ehlo
> 
> 
> "QChang"  wrote in message 
> news:A3DE75C1-BA2B-44C0-88B8-F68BD1341B6E@microsoft.com...
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am new to the concept of NLB so pardon me for my ignorance.
> >
> > After reading Henrik Walther's excellent articles on the NLB I would like 
> > to
> > setup NLB with Unicast and dual NICs for the two Exchange 2007 CAS / HT
> > servers that we have. However, I am confused about the IP ranges and 
> > traffic
> > flow on the 2 NICs.
> >
> > Server 1
> >
> > So on NIC1 ( Public )
> > IP :10.0.0.100   ( Server 2 - 10.0.0.101 )
> > SM : 255.255.0.0
> > GW : 10.0.0.1
> >
> > NIC 2 ( NLB )
> > IP : 192.168.100.100 ( Server 2 - 192.168.100.101 )
> > SM : 255.255.0.0
> > no GW or DNS
> >
> > NLB Cluster DNS entry (192.168.100.200 )
> >
> > From what I have gathered from the articles ( and please correct me if I 
> > am
> > wrong ) I would need to register a DNS entry for the NLB Cluster.  I think 
> > I
> > would also need to have the firewall NAT to the NLB Cluster IP but there's
> > where I can't get my head around this.
> >
> > I know traffic is suppose to traverse thru the NLB cluster but does the
> > traffic need to go thru a gateway or does it behave more like a Virtual IP
> > with heartbeat functions ?
> >
> > If I only have 2 servers to NLB would it be sufficient to use a crossover
> > cable between the 2 servers or am I completely wrong and need to have the
> > traffic be routable ( on it's own seperate network with a gateway )
> >
> >
> > Would the correct answer be ...
> >
> > 1)  Firewall ( 10.0.0.1 ) --> Public IP ( 10.0.0.100 ) <> NLB Clu (
> > 192.168.100.200 ) ( own segment but no gateway )
> >
> > or
> >
> > 2 ) Firewall ( 192.168.100.1 ) -- > NLB Clu ( 192.168.100.200 ) <> Public 
> > IP
> > ( 10.0.0.100 ) ---> Inside Network ---> Firewall ( 10.0.0.1 )
> >
> >
> > I am semi-familiar with clustering so I am afraid I am mixing the 2 ideas
> > and confusing myself to death...
> >
> > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated before I pound my head into 
> > the
> > wall...
> >
> > Thanks in advance and best regards,
> > Q
> >
date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:04:00 -0800   author:   QChang

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