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date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:45:44 +0100,
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Re: remove attachments from old messages or delete old, large messages ?
Depending on the Exchange version you are using and user usage patterns, you
may be able to use SATA storage for Exchange. In Exchange 2007 for medium
and below user profiles with users in cached mode, it makes a lot of sense.
The 500GB SATAs tend to be the sweet spot for 2GBish mailboxes in this case.
In this case, you'd be better off just provisioning and allocatinge more
storage for Exchange.
For Exchange 2003 environments or heavy or ultra heavy user load Exchange
2007 environments, you're probably looking at FC SCSI drives as the best fit
for performance/space requirements. In this case, you may want to look at
third party archiving products that extract the mail and attachments,
replace them with a stub, and place them in lower cost (and lower
performance) SATA storage. You'll need to do a cost/benefit analysis vs.
adding more SCSI storage and larger mailboxes on exchange to see if this is
the right solution for your environment.
John
"Martin Blackstone" wrote in message
news:88199672-647A-49C5-A5C9-AD2303573F05@microsoft.com...
> Have you thought about using any kind of email archival products?
> The beauty would be that you don't actually have to delete anything. Just
> move it out of the system. You could use cheaper (SATA) storage for
> something like that.
>
> "Peter Lawton" <dummy@dummy.domain> wrote in message
> news:e40Y2v40IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> When we were running Exchange 2003 we had a mailbox management rule set
>> up to remove all email messages that were older than 3 years and also
>> larger than 1Mb.
>>
>> Exchange 2007 doesn't seem to have the facility to do this for both size
>> and age, or am I wrong?
>>
>> Is there any way, with Exchange 2007, to either remove messages older
>> than a certain age and larger than a given size, or even better strip
>> attachments out of messages over a certain age and leave the message.
>>
>> Perhaps using a shell script or a 3rd party product ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peter Lawton
>
date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:21:00 -0700
author: John Fullbright fjohn@donotspamnetappdotcom
Re: remove attachments from old messages or delete old, large messages ?
What I'd like is the facility I had in Exchange 2003 to perform mailbox
management on both size and/or age, that isn't in Exchange 2007
unfortunately
Really it isn't disk storage that's the issue but backing up to tape all
this ancient rubbish that I can't persuade our users to make the minimal
effort needed to delete themselves.
email messages themselves take up minimal space so there's really no harm in
keeping them all. All the space is taken up by large attachments, all of
which in "Sent Items" at least already exist in users home drives etc.
Peter Lawton
"John Fullbright" <fjohn@donotspamnetappdotcom> wrote in message
news:uEZx1S%230IHA.4336@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Depending on the Exchange version you are using and user usage patterns,
> you may be able to use SATA storage for Exchange. In Exchange 2007 for
> medium and below user profiles with users in cached mode, it makes a lot
> of sense. The 500GB SATAs tend to be the sweet spot for 2GBish mailboxes
> in this case. In this case, you'd be better off just provisioning and
> allocatinge more storage for Exchange.
>
> For Exchange 2003 environments or heavy or ultra heavy user load Exchange
> 2007 environments, you're probably looking at FC SCSI drives as the best
> fit for performance/space requirements. In this case, you may want to
> look at third party archiving products that extract the mail and
> attachments, replace them with a stub, and place them in lower cost (and
> lower performance) SATA storage. You'll need to do a cost/benefit
> analysis vs. adding more SCSI storage and larger mailboxes on exchange to
> see if this is the right solution for your environment.
>
> John
>
>
> "Martin Blackstone" wrote in message
> news:88199672-647A-49C5-A5C9-AD2303573F05@microsoft.com...
>> Have you thought about using any kind of email archival products?
>> The beauty would be that you don't actually have to delete anything. Just
>> move it out of the system. You could use cheaper (SATA) storage for
>> something like that.
>>
>> "Peter Lawton" <dummy@dummy.domain> wrote in message
>> news:e40Y2v40IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> When we were running Exchange 2003 we had a mailbox management rule set
>>> up to remove all email messages that were older than 3 years and also
>>> larger than 1Mb.
>>>
>>> Exchange 2007 doesn't seem to have the facility to do this for both size
>>> and age, or am I wrong?
>>>
>>> Is there any way, with Exchange 2007, to either remove messages older
>>> than a certain age and larger than a given size, or even better strip
>>> attachments out of messages over a certain age and leave the message.
>>>
>>> Perhaps using a shell script or a 3rd party product ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Peter Lawton
>>
>
>
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 07:52:11 +0100
author: Peter Lawton in
Re: remove attachments from old messages or delete old, large messages ?
Backup to disk is another option. Over gig Ethernet this can dramatically
reduce backup times.
B2D is often used in conjunction with tape. Use B2D for your daily backups
then tape once per week or month or whatever.
"Peter Lawton" <dummy@dummy.domain> wrote in message
news:uhtqASD1IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> What I'd like is the facility I had in Exchange 2003 to perform mailbox
> management on both size and/or age, that isn't in Exchange 2007
> unfortunately
>
> Really it isn't disk storage that's the issue but backing up to tape all
> this ancient rubbish that I can't persuade our users to make the minimal
> effort needed to delete themselves.
>
> email messages themselves take up minimal space so there's really no harm
> in keeping them all. All the space is taken up by large attachments, all
> of which in "Sent Items" at least already exist in users home drives etc.
>
> Peter Lawton
>
> "John Fullbright" <fjohn@donotspamnetappdotcom> wrote in message
> news:uEZx1S%230IHA.4336@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Depending on the Exchange version you are using and user usage patterns,
>> you may be able to use SATA storage for Exchange. In Exchange 2007 for
>> medium and below user profiles with users in cached mode, it makes a lot
>> of sense. The 500GB SATAs tend to be the sweet spot for 2GBish mailboxes
>> in this case. In this case, you'd be better off just provisioning and
>> allocatinge more storage for Exchange.
>>
>> For Exchange 2003 environments or heavy or ultra heavy user load Exchange
>> 2007 environments, you're probably looking at FC SCSI drives as the best
>> fit for performance/space requirements. In this case, you may want to
>> look at third party archiving products that extract the mail and
>> attachments, replace them with a stub, and place them in lower cost (and
>> lower performance) SATA storage. You'll need to do a cost/benefit
>> analysis vs. adding more SCSI storage and larger mailboxes on exchange to
>> see if this is the right solution for your environment.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> "Martin Blackstone" wrote in message
>> news:88199672-647A-49C5-A5C9-AD2303573F05@microsoft.com...
>>> Have you thought about using any kind of email archival products?
>>> The beauty would be that you don't actually have to delete anything.
>>> Just move it out of the system. You could use cheaper (SATA) storage for
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> "Peter Lawton" <dummy@dummy.domain> wrote in message
>>> news:e40Y2v40IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> When we were running Exchange 2003 we had a mailbox management rule set
>>>> up to remove all email messages that were older than 3 years and also
>>>> larger than 1Mb.
>>>>
>>>> Exchange 2007 doesn't seem to have the facility to do this for both
>>>> size and age, or am I wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way, with Exchange 2007, to either remove messages older
>>>> than a certain age and larger than a given size, or even better strip
>>>> attachments out of messages over a certain age and leave the message.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps using a shell script or a 3rd party product ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Peter Lawton
>>>
>>
>>
>
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:52:37 -0700
author: Martin Blackstone
Re: remove attachments from old messages or delete old, large messages ?
Backup to Disk and Snapshots are other options to help you shrink the backup
window.
John
"Peter Lawton" <dummy@dummy.domain> wrote in message
news:uhtqASD1IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> What I'd like is the facility I had in Exchange 2003 to perform mailbox
> management on both size and/or age, that isn't in Exchange 2007
> unfortunately
>
> Really it isn't disk storage that's the issue but backing up to tape all
> this ancient rubbish that I can't persuade our users to make the minimal
> effort needed to delete themselves.
>
> email messages themselves take up minimal space so there's really no harm
> in keeping them all. All the space is taken up by large attachments, all
> of which in "Sent Items" at least already exist in users home drives etc.
>
> Peter Lawton
>
> "John Fullbright" <fjohn@donotspamnetappdotcom> wrote in message
> news:uEZx1S%230IHA.4336@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Depending on the Exchange version you are using and user usage patterns,
>> you may be able to use SATA storage for Exchange. In Exchange 2007 for
>> medium and below user profiles with users in cached mode, it makes a lot
>> of sense. The 500GB SATAs tend to be the sweet spot for 2GBish mailboxes
>> in this case. In this case, you'd be better off just provisioning and
>> allocatinge more storage for Exchange.
>>
>> For Exchange 2003 environments or heavy or ultra heavy user load Exchange
>> 2007 environments, you're probably looking at FC SCSI drives as the best
>> fit for performance/space requirements. In this case, you may want to
>> look at third party archiving products that extract the mail and
>> attachments, replace them with a stub, and place them in lower cost (and
>> lower performance) SATA storage. You'll need to do a cost/benefit
>> analysis vs. adding more SCSI storage and larger mailboxes on exchange to
>> see if this is the right solution for your environment.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> "Martin Blackstone" wrote in message
>> news:88199672-647A-49C5-A5C9-AD2303573F05@microsoft.com...
>>> Have you thought about using any kind of email archival products?
>>> The beauty would be that you don't actually have to delete anything.
>>> Just move it out of the system. You could use cheaper (SATA) storage for
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> "Peter Lawton" <dummy@dummy.domain> wrote in message
>>> news:e40Y2v40IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> When we were running Exchange 2003 we had a mailbox management rule set
>>>> up to remove all email messages that were older than 3 years and also
>>>> larger than 1Mb.
>>>>
>>>> Exchange 2007 doesn't seem to have the facility to do this for both
>>>> size and age, or am I wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way, with Exchange 2007, to either remove messages older
>>>> than a certain age and larger than a given size, or even better strip
>>>> attachments out of messages over a certain age and leave the message.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps using a shell script or a 3rd party product ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Peter Lawton
>>>
>>
>>
>
date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:47:21 -0700
author: John Fullbright fjohn@donotspamnetappdotcom
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