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date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:26:32 +0100,
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Re: Renaming an Administrative Group?
Paul,
The KB also says shows you how to bring the server back into a supported
state, and links to other KBs.
- Although this change appears to be merely cosmetic there are dependencies
on the Administrative Group name (as explained in KBs linked from 324606).
- Since tihs isn't user-facing - Administrative Groups are neither seen by
users, nor impact administrators. I generally wouldn't recommend changing
it.
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"Paul Hutchings" wrote in message
news:paul-74628B.19390917062008@eu.usenet-news.net...
> In article ,
> "Bharat Suneja [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>> How to use Legacydn.exe to correct Exchange organization names or
>> Administrative Group names in Exchange Server 2003 or in Exchange 2000
>> Server
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324606
>>
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>> Bharat Suneja
>> Microsoft Corporation
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>>
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>>
>> "Paul Hutchings" wrote in message
>> news:paul-6F5451.18263117062008@eu.usenet-news.net...
>> > Surprisingly little on the MSKB.
>> >
>> > I have 2 admin groups each with non friendly names that date back to
>> > Exchange 5.5 and I'd like to change them.
>> >
>> > I appreciate and accept that it is only a change in display name, but
>> > I'd like to double-check if there is any "bad stuff" likely to happen
>> > by
>> > doing a "right-click/rename" in System Manager?
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > Paul
>
> Bharat,
>
> That KB articles says:
>
> "Note We support using the Legacydn.exe tool only in a lab environment.
> The tool works only in an environment that uses a single domain
> controller. "
>
> This is a production environment, with three domain controllers and two
> sites/admin groups.
>
> It doesn't really explain the purpose of the "simple" rename option in
> Exchange System Manager?
date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:58:35 -0700
author: Bharat Suneja [MSFT]
Re: Renaming an Administrative Group?
Some of these constructs (such as the Administrative Group, and to some
extent the Organization) are on the path to redundancy or relative
obscurity, imho. :)
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"Paul Hutchings" wrote in message
news:paul-0B26A6.20541117062008@eu.usenet-news.net...
> In article ,
> "Bharat Suneja [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>> The KB also says shows you how to bring the server back into a supported
>> state, and links to other KBs.
>>
>> - Although this change appears to be merely cosmetic there are
>> dependencies
>> on the Administrative Group name (as explained in KBs linked from
>> 324606).
>> - Since tihs isn't user-facing - Administrative Groups are neither seen
>> by
>> users, nor impact administrators. I generally wouldn't recommend changing
>> it.
>
> To an extent I agree, but respectfully, the fact that they aren't seen
> nor have any great impact isn't really the issue.
>
> Nearly ten or so years after deploying Exchange 5.5 it seems we're stuck
> with the original site names that we chose (which were themselves
> severely limited in terms of characters) because there doesn't seem to
> be a reliable way of changing them, despite there being a "rename"
> option on the menu that right-clicking on one brings up.
>
> So you have a menu option of "rename" that doesn't seem to do what it
> says it does, plus a KB article that seems to disclaim itself before
> telling you anything useful - IMO those present a slightly contradictory
> and inconsistent message :-)
date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:21:48 -0700
author: Bharat Suneja [MSFT]
Re: Renaming an Administrative Group?
On Jun 18, 8:54 pm, Paul Hutchings wrote:
> In article ,
> "Bharat Suneja [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > Some of these constructs (such as the Administrative Group, and to some
> > extent the Organization) are on the path to redundancy or relative
> > obscurity, imho. :)
>
> That would be nice :-)
>
> Sorry to be pedantic, but just so I'm 100% clear, the "right
> click/rename" option for Administrative Groups in Exchange System
> manager - what will it actually do if I use it and what is likely to
> break as a consequence?
Just to be clear on this part guys - you simply want to right-click
rename the AG Name - right? Well then i believe there should not be
any problem in that.
Bharat: What you are stating is to change the damn entire legacyDN
structure of the entire environment, why on earth would some one
recommend to use that since Paul only wants to change the NAME of the
AG.
Paul: Changing the name only changes the "displayname" attribute
(which NONE of the Exchange features looks at), since the only
attribute that matters most is the "legacyExchangeDN" which WONT
change since the AG already has a Name associated with it (at the time
of creation).
I believe this should sort some of the confusion.
date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:42:46 -0700 (PDT)
author: Tushar Shah
Re: Renaming an Administrative Group?
In article
,
Tushar Shah wrote:
> On Jun 18, 8:54 pm, Paul Hutchings wrote:
> > In article ,
> > "Bharat Suneja [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> > > Some of these constructs (such as the Administrative Group, and to some
> > > extent the Organization) are on the path to redundancy or relative
> > > obscurity, imho. :)
> >
> > That would be nice :-)
> >
> > Sorry to be pedantic, but just so I'm 100% clear, the "right
> > click/rename" option for Administrative Groups in Exchange System
> > manager - what will it actually do if I use it and what is likely to
> > break as a consequence?
>
> Just to be clear on this part guys - you simply want to right-click
> rename the AG Name - right? Well then i believe there should not be
> any problem in that.
>
> Bharat: What you are stating is to change the damn entire legacyDN
> structure of the entire environment, why on earth would some one
> recommend to use that since Paul only wants to change the NAME of the
> AG.
>
> Paul: Changing the name only changes the "displayname" attribute
> (which NONE of the Exchange features looks at), since the only
> attribute that matters most is the "legacyExchangeDN" which WONT
> change since the AG already has a Name associated with it (at the time
> of creation).
>
> I believe this should sort some of the confusion.
Thanks for the reply, that was my understanding off what I had found,
but most people where I found forum/usenet posts seemed to be in the
same boat as me - the option's there but no definitive answer as to
exactly what it does.
You're correct that just being able to change the name would suffice, I
don't care about the legacyyexchangeDN as I'm stuck with that.
So, one vote for, one against.. anyone care to cast the decider? :-)
date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:42:13 +0100
author: Paul Hutchings
Re: Renaming an Administrative Group?
On Jun 19, 1:42 am, Paul Hutchings wrote:
> In article
> ,
> Tushar Shah wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 18, 8:54 pm, Paul Hutchings wrote:
> > > In article ,
> > > "Bharat Suneja [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > > > Some of these constructs (such as the Administrative Group, and to some
> > > > extent the Organization) are on the path to redundancy or relative
> > > > obscurity, imho. :)
>
> > > That would be nice :-)
>
> > > Sorry to be pedantic, but just so I'm 100% clear, the "right
> > > click/rename" option for Administrative Groups in Exchange System
> > > manager - what will it actually do if I use it and what is likely to
> > > break as a consequence?
>
> > Just to be clear on this part guys - you simply want to right-click
> > rename the AG Name - right? Well then i believe there should not be
> > any problem in that.
>
> > Bharat: What you are stating is to change the damn entire legacyDN
> > structure of the entire environment, why on earth would some one
> > recommend to use that since Paul only wants to change the NAME of the
> > AG.
>
> > Paul: Changing the name only changes the "displayname" attribute
> > (which NONE of the Exchange features looks at), since the only
> > attribute that matters most is the "legacyExchangeDN" which WONT
> > change since the AG already has a Name associated with it (at the time
> > of creation).
>
> > I believe this should sort some of the confusion.
>
> Thanks for the reply, that was my understanding off what I had found,
> but most people where I found forum/usenet posts seemed to be in the
> same boat as me - the option's there but no definitive answer as to
> exactly what it does.
>
> You're correct that just being able to change the name would suffice, I
> don't care about the legacyyexchangeDN as I'm stuck with that.
>
> So, one vote for, one against.. anyone care to cast the decider? :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
lol, sure i would ask my friends at MS to document something that
suits your demand. Upon more searching i could get hold of one such
doc from MS:
Renaming and Deleting Administrative Groups
You can manage administrative groups much like any other Exchange
element. To rename an administrative group, complete the following
steps:
1. Start System Manager, and then expand Administrative Groups.
2. Right-click the administrative group, choose Rename from the
shortcut menu, and then type a new name for the administrative group.
3. Keep in mind that when you change the name of an administrative
group, you change the namespace for all objects in the administrative
group
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/exchangeserver/2000/maintain/11x2kadb.mspx?mfr=true
Understand the part which this doc refers to is namespace which means
that if you change the Name from First AG to Mac, the DN or
DistinguishedName of all objects within the AG has to match the
changed Name: Mac, This by NO means will affect any functionality of
how Exchange works.
Hope this gets me another vote.:)
date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
author: Tushar Shah
Re: Renaming an Administrative Group?
In article
,
Tushar Shah wrote:
> lol, sure i would ask my friends at MS to document something that
> suits your demand. Upon more searching i could get hold of one such
> doc from MS:
>
> Renaming and Deleting Administrative Groups
> You can manage administrative groups much like any other Exchange
> element. To rename an administrative group, complete the following
> steps:
>
> 1. Start System Manager, and then expand Administrative Groups.
> 2. Right-click the administrative group, choose Rename from the
> shortcut menu, and then type a new name for the administrative group.
> 3. Keep in mind that when you change the name of an administrative
> group, you change the namespace for all objects in the administrative
> group
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/exchangeserver/2000/maintain/11x2kadb
> .mspx?mfr=true
>
> Understand the part which this doc refers to is namespace which means
> that if you change the Name from First AG to Mac, the DN or
> DistinguishedName of all objects within the AG has to match the
> changed Name: Mac, This by NO means will affect any functionality of
> how Exchange works.
>
> Hope this gets me another vote.:)
OK is the DN changed automatically or is that something I would have to
do manually?
I ask as of course there are a lot of objects and (once again) the MS
docs simply say "Oh yeah just right click and rename", no mention of
address changes etc.
Appreciate your help - I'm just narked at the lack of plain, simple
documentation on this tbh.
date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:04:52 +0100
author: Paul Hutchings
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