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date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:47:56 -0400,    group: microsoft.public.exchange.admin        back       


Issues with mail delivery   
Hi All

For the last couple of weeks, we have been getting random issues where some 
mail servers on the internet will start to deny our email. The message 
returned in the DNR from our Exchange server is "550 5.7.1 relaying denied". 
Not all servers do this, and some messages go right through, while others 
will queue up and make repeated attempts to deliver.

We have our own MX, and our Exchange 2003 server is published behind an ISA 
2004 firewall. I have verified with our ISP that all of our DNS records are 
correct.

When the problem occurs, if I run telnet on the exchange server and connect 
to port 25 on one of the problem destinations, it will accept a message. 
However according to on server admin I spoke with, their server didn't even 
show any attempt to connect coming from our Exchange itself.

The really strange thing is that if I reboot the ISA server, all the queued 
messages deliver. However, at no time does the ISA server log show it is 
rejecting anything from the Exchange server.

I checked kb895853 and all the configuration seem to be right. I have 
allowed anonymous connectionin the SMTP protocol and my entire IP range is 
allowed to conenct to the server. Our DNS servers are using the correct 
forwarding IPs.

The error that was in the event log that seems to indicate there is a 
problem is as follows:
Event Type: Error
Event Source: MSExchangeTransport
Event Category: SMTP Protocol
Event ID: 7004
Date:  5/30/2008
Time:  8:49:42 AM
User:  N/A
Computer: GATEWAY2
Description:
This is an SMTP protocol error log for virtual server ID 1, connection #344. 
The remote host "204.202.25.75", responded to the SMTP command "mail" with 
"530 authentication required for relay (#5.7.1)  ". The full command sent 
was "MAIL FROM:<user@ourdomain>".  This will probably cause the connection 
to fail.

and also event id 4000:
Message delivery to the remote domain 'kwic.com' failed for the following 
reason: Unable to bind to the destination server in DNS.

These domains are just samples. When this problem starts, the email for many 
domain (including hotmail) starts to back up in our delivery queue.

The confusing part is that restart the ISA firewall fixes the problem. So 
its not a firewall issue, otherwise I would think we'd always have a 
problem. That other issue is that this only happens with some address, not 
all. So it doesn't sound like a config issue. So any suggestions or ideas 
would be appreciated.

Thanks
Brian
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:47:56 -0400   author:   Brian Reply2Me@Here

Re: Issues with mail delivery   
"Brian" <Reply2Me@Here> wrote:

					[ snip ]

>The confusing part is that restart the ISA firewall fixes the problem. So 
>its not a firewall issue, 

ISA is a firewall, too. :-)

>otherwise I would think we'd always have a 
>problem. That other issue is that this only happens with some address, not 
>all. So it doesn't sound like a config issue. So any suggestions or ideas 
>would be appreciated.

The "Unable to bind to DNS" usually means just that. Either the DNS is
having a problem, or your network is having a problem, or the domain's
a phony.

If the "unable to relay" always identifies the IP address as an
address outside your network, and the command identified is "MAIL
FROM" then it may not be a relay problem, but a configuration problem
at the destination server -- but you say that the problem goes away if
you restart ISA, so there's something else going on that's not related
to Exchange.

-- 
Rich Matheisen
MCSE+I, Exchange MVP
MS Exchange FAQ at http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
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date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:12:22 -0400   author:   Rich Matheisen [MVP]

Re: Issues with mail delivery   
"Rich Matheisen [MVP]"  wrote

> If the "unable to relay" always identifies the IP address as an
> address outside your network, and the command identified is "MAIL
> FROM" then it may not be a relay problem, but a configuration problem
> at the destination server -- but you say that the problem goes away if
> you restart ISA, so there's something else going on that's not related
> to Exchange.

It always shows the IP is outside, but in conversation with our ISP, they 
never showed any record of an attempt to connect to deliver the message. So 
the message is not getting out. Its not showing any traffic on our ISA 
server either, so I think that means the message is never getting past 
Exchange. I'm just not sure how the message correlates with what is 
happening.

Brian
date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:15:45 -0400   author:   Brian Reply2Me@Here

Re: Issues with mail delivery   
Oh, I guess I should clarify about our ISP. When the problem occurs, I can't 
send them mail. It just queues up on the Exchange server. So I had them 
check to see if they showed any connection attempts from our IP.

We deliver our own email from here.
date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:52:14 -0400   author:   Brian Reply2Me@Here

Re: Issues with mail delivery   
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:15:45 -0400, "Brian" <Reply2Me@Here> wrote:

>"Rich Matheisen [MVP]"  wrote
>
>> If the "unable to relay" always identifies the IP address as an
>> address outside your network, and the command identified is "MAIL
>> FROM" then it may not be a relay problem, but a configuration problem
>> at the destination server -- but you say that the problem goes away if
>> you restart ISA, so there's something else going on that's not related
>> to Exchange.
>
>It always shows the IP is outside, but in conversation with our ISP, they 
>never showed any record of an attempt to connect to deliver the message. So 
>the message is not getting out. Its not showing any traffic on our ISA 
>server either, so I think that means the message is never getting past 
>Exchange. I'm just not sure how the message correlates with what is 
>happening.

Your SMTP log file will have the record of the conversation between
your server and the ISP's server (or the server you're connected to).
date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:42:32 -0400   author:   Rich Matheisen

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