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date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:40:01 -0700,
group: microsoft.public.exchange.admin
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Re: Public Folder in Distribution Group not receiving external mai
Right. We are headed (slowly) in that direction...
I think we have run into something interesting: If we change the global
distribution group's expansion server to the local server, it works
correctly. The universal groups setting for expansion server is any server
in the site - this works... We are still unsure as to why it doesn't work
when the global group is set to any server in the site... at least it SEEMS
as though this just started happening, but maybe the users just started
noticing.
"Susan" wrote:
> it's recommended that all DGs be "universal"...that may be the issue...
>
> --
> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>
>
>
> "da crusher" wrote in message
> news:232F8715-CBB1-490A-B1FF-FFA71E78B949@microsoft.com...
> > no - it is a global distribution group.
> >
> >
> > "Susan" wrote:
> >
> >> is the group a universal distribution group?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "da crusher" wrote in message
> >> news:84CAE6D2-5189-478A-9847-82B73C2D67FB@microsoft.com...
> >> > Custom - user can create items and view folders. I have confirmed that
> >> > emails sent directly to the public folder works properly.
> >> >
> >> > Additionally, i have added myself to the global distribution list and I
> >> > don't recieve external emails sent to that dl address either.
> >> >
> >> > "Susan" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> what are the permissions for "anonymous" on the PF? at least
> >> >> "contributor"?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "da crusher" wrote in message
> >> >> news:60D7C8D2-8181-4BD9-8322-B3A95A8BDD3D@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hi Everyone,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am currently running Exchange 2003 sp2 on Win 2k3 sp1.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For the reason of flexibility of distribution group memberships, we
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > some public folders that are a part of a distribution list. I have
> >> >> > already
> >> >> > confirmed that these public folders have the proper permissions and
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > successfully send email directly to the public folder, ex:
> >> >> > publicfolder@domain.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am experiencing issues where the public folder will not recieve an
> >> >> > external email sent to the distribution group it is a member of,
> >> >> > depending
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > whether it's universal or global, ie: dg@domain.com. Universal
> >> >> > works,
> >> >> > global
> >> >> > does not. Is this by design? For some reason, I though both worked
> >> >> > (or
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > least used to).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks in advance!!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:42:00 -0700
author: da crusher
Re: Public Folder in Distribution Group not receiving external mail
On Tue, 13 May 2008 10:40:01 -0700, da crusher
wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I am currently running Exchange 2003 sp2 on Win 2k3 sp1.
>
>For the reason of flexibility of distribution group memberships, we have
>some public folders that are a part of a distribution list. I have already
>confirmed that these public folders have the proper permissions and I can
>successfully send email directly to the public folder, ex:
>publicfolder@domain.com
>
>I am experiencing issues where the public folder will not recieve an
>external email sent to the distribution group it is a member of, depending on
>whether it's universal or global, ie: dg@domain.com. Universal works, global
>does not. Is this by design? For some reason, I though both worked (or at
>least used to).
>
>Thanks in advance!!
Mail-enabled DLs should be universal.
date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:53:41 -0400
author: Andy David {MVP}
Re: Public Folder in Distribution Group not receiving external mai
Agreed. We are working towards that goal - I believe many of them are
remains of Exchange 2000. But does the fact that a mail-enabled group is
either global or universal change the fact that it does or does not have the
ability to receive external emails?
"Andy David {MVP}" wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 10:40:01 -0700, da crusher
> wrote:
>
> >Hi Everyone,
> >
> >I am currently running Exchange 2003 sp2 on Win 2k3 sp1.
> >
> >For the reason of flexibility of distribution group memberships, we have
> >some public folders that are a part of a distribution list. I have already
> >confirmed that these public folders have the proper permissions and I can
> >successfully send email directly to the public folder, ex:
> >publicfolder@domain.com
> >
> >I am experiencing issues where the public folder will not recieve an
> >external email sent to the distribution group it is a member of, depending on
> >whether it's universal or global, ie: dg@domain.com. Universal works, global
> >does not. Is this by design? For some reason, I though both worked (or at
> >least used to).
> >
> >Thanks in advance!!
>
> Mail-enabled DLs should be universal.
>
>
>
date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:49:02 -0700
author: da crusher
Re: Public Folder in Distribution Group not receiving external mai
On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:49:02 -0700, da crusher
wrote:
>Agreed. We are working towards that goal - I believe many of them are
>remains of Exchange 2000. But does the fact that a mail-enabled group is
>either global or universal change the fact that it does or does not have the
>ability to receive external emails?
It should be able to either mode. The problem is during DL expansion.
If you look in message tracking, if it gets as far as the catagorizer
and goes no further, than you know that its because it unable to get
the group membership.
>
>"Andy David {MVP}" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 10:40:01 -0700, da crusher
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> >I am currently running Exchange 2003 sp2 on Win 2k3 sp1.
>> >
>> >For the reason of flexibility of distribution group memberships, we have
>> >some public folders that are a part of a distribution list. I have already
>> >confirmed that these public folders have the proper permissions and I can
>> >successfully send email directly to the public folder, ex:
>> >publicfolder@domain.com
>> >
>> >I am experiencing issues where the public folder will not recieve an
>> >external email sent to the distribution group it is a member of, depending on
>> >whether it's universal or global, ie: dg@domain.com. Universal works, global
>> >does not. Is this by design? For some reason, I though both worked (or at
>> >least used to).
>> >
>> >Thanks in advance!!
>>
>> Mail-enabled DLs should be universal.
>>
>>
>>
date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:18:25 -0400
author: Andy David {MVP}
Re: Public Folder in Distribution Group not receiving external mai
You nailed it, Andy..it stops at the categorizer...but what does that mean?
I know it is unable to get the group membership, but why? Because it is a
global group? What is the difference between specifying a server for the
expansion or using any?
"Andy David {MVP}" wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:49:02 -0700, da crusher
> wrote:
>
> >Agreed. We are working towards that goal - I believe many of them are
> >remains of Exchange 2000. But does the fact that a mail-enabled group is
> >either global or universal change the fact that it does or does not have the
> >ability to receive external emails?
>
> It should be able to either mode. The problem is during DL expansion.
> If you look in message tracking, if it gets as far as the catagorizer
> and goes no further, than you know that its because it unable to get
> the group membership.
>
> >
> >"Andy David {MVP}" wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 10:40:01 -0700, da crusher
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Everyone,
> >> >
> >> >I am currently running Exchange 2003 sp2 on Win 2k3 sp1.
> >> >
> >> >For the reason of flexibility of distribution group memberships, we have
> >> >some public folders that are a part of a distribution list. I have already
> >> >confirmed that these public folders have the proper permissions and I can
> >> >successfully send email directly to the public folder, ex:
> >> >publicfolder@domain.com
> >> >
> >> >I am experiencing issues where the public folder will not recieve an
> >> >external email sent to the distribution group it is a member of, depending on
> >> >whether it's universal or global, ie: dg@domain.com. Universal works, global
> >> >does not. Is this by design? For some reason, I though both worked (or at
> >> >least used to).
> >> >
> >> >Thanks in advance!!
> >>
> >> Mail-enabled DLs should be universal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:30:00 -0700
author: da crusher
Re: Public Folder in Distribution Group not receiving external mai
On Tue, 13 May 2008 19:30:00 -0700, da crusher
wrote:
>You nailed it, Andy..it stops at the categorizer...but what does that mean?
>I know it is unable to get the group membership, but why? Because it is a
>global group? What is the difference between specifying a server for the
>expansion or using any?
See Rich's response :)
I would try to always use "any" for the expansion server rather than
specifying one.
>
>"Andy David {MVP}" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:49:02 -0700, da crusher
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Agreed. We are working towards that goal - I believe many of them are
>> >remains of Exchange 2000. But does the fact that a mail-enabled group is
>> >either global or universal change the fact that it does or does not have the
>> >ability to receive external emails?
>>
>> It should be able to either mode. The problem is during DL expansion.
>> If you look in message tracking, if it gets as far as the catagorizer
>> and goes no further, than you know that its because it unable to get
>> the group membership.
>>
>> >
>> >"Andy David {MVP}" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 10:40:01 -0700, da crusher
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi Everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> >I am currently running Exchange 2003 sp2 on Win 2k3 sp1.
>> >> >
>> >> >For the reason of flexibility of distribution group memberships, we have
>> >> >some public folders that are a part of a distribution list. I have already
>> >> >confirmed that these public folders have the proper permissions and I can
>> >> >successfully send email directly to the public folder, ex:
>> >> >publicfolder@domain.com
>> >> >
>> >> >I am experiencing issues where the public folder will not recieve an
>> >> >external email sent to the distribution group it is a member of, depending on
>> >> >whether it's universal or global, ie: dg@domain.com. Universal works, global
>> >> >does not. Is this by design? For some reason, I though both worked (or at
>> >> >least used to).
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks in advance!!
>> >>
>> >> Mail-enabled DLs should be universal.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:33:06 -0400
author: Andy David {MVP}
Re: Public Folder in Distribution Group not receiving external mai
Thanks very much to everyone for their input!!
Between our own research and MSFT support, I believe we found our issue:
Our FE server was having issues with certain Windows services, ie; computer
browser, workstation, etc (important ones) - because these services had
stopped, when we looked at the Directory Access tab, it would throw and
error: "Information about directory services could not be entirely obtained.
Check to make sure the exchange management service is running.." Once I
click OK, I can see the tab, every option is greyed out, and I only see one
DC in the list which happened to be a child domain dc.
We believe it was using this dc/gc to try to expand the dl's - since the
dl's in question belonged to the parent domain, this gc would be unable to
expand the global dl's, but would be able to expand the universal - which is
exactly how it acted.
By explicitly specifying an expansion server, it forces those dl's to only
query for the domain that the expansion server is located, in my case the
parent domain. That's why specifying the server worked properly.
According to MSFT support, use universal groups first (which has been
re-iterated many times in this thread) or secondly if you must use global
groups, specify an expansion server that belongs to the same domain as the
global dl's.
We have since assigned an expansion server to all of our mail enabled global
groups and are working towards converting them to universal.
Sorry if the explanation is a little confusing....
"Andy David {MVP}" wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 19:30:00 -0700, da crusher
> wrote:
>
> >You nailed it, Andy..it stops at the categorizer...but what does that mean?
> >I know it is unable to get the group membership, but why? Because it is a
> >global group? What is the difference between specifying a server for the
> >expansion or using any?
>
> See Rich's response :)
>
> I would try to always use "any" for the expansion server rather than
> specifying one.
>
> >
> >"Andy David {MVP}" wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:49:02 -0700, da crusher
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Agreed. We are working towards that goal - I believe many of them are
> >> >remains of Exchange 2000. But does the fact that a mail-enabled group is
> >> >either global or universal change the fact that it does or does not have the
> >> >ability to receive external emails?
> >>
> >> It should be able to either mode. The problem is during DL expansion.
> >> If you look in message tracking, if it gets as far as the catagorizer
> >> and goes no further, than you know that its because it unable to get
> >> the group membership.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Andy David {MVP}" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 10:40:01 -0700, da crusher
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hi Everyone,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I am currently running Exchange 2003 sp2 on Win 2k3 sp1.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >For the reason of flexibility of distribution group memberships, we have
> >> >> >some public folders that are a part of a distribution list. I have already
> >> >> >confirmed that these public folders have the proper permissions and I can
> >> >> >successfully send email directly to the public folder, ex:
> >> >> >publicfolder@domain.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I am experiencing issues where the public folder will not recieve an
> >> >> >external email sent to the distribution group it is a member of, depending on
> >> >> >whether it's universal or global, ie: dg@domain.com. Universal works, global
> >> >> >does not. Is this by design? For some reason, I though both worked (or at
> >> >> >least used to).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Thanks in advance!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Mail-enabled DLs should be universal.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>
date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:09:01 -0700
author: da crusher
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