I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used to backup 
the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup (Exchange on 
X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on one tape, so 
I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and Public on 
Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but was 
wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. (I have a 
full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some database in 
Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right now I just 
selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone tell me any 
caveots with this approach?

i'm not sure about SBS, but in regular Exchange 2003, if you do not backup 
the entire storage group, your committed transaction logs are not 
purged...do you have thousands and thousands of transaction logs?  how do 
you deal with those?

-- 
Susan Conkey [MVP]



"David Krugler"  wrote in message 
news:849A42BD-2260-4984-8E96-F4BF4FF17BE6@microsoft.com...
>I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used to backup
> the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup (Exchange 
> on
> X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on one tape, 
> so
> I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and Public on
> Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but was
> wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. (I have 
> a
> full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some database 
> in
> Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right now I 
> just
> selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone tell me any
> caveots with this approach?

David,

This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery capabilities of 
this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only the Priv IS 
and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you tweaked your 
deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items for a specified 
period of time)
-- 
Chris S
MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP


"David Krugler" wrote:

> I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used to backup 
> the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup (Exchange on 
> X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on one tape, so 
> I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and Public on 
> Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but was 
> wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. (I have a 
> full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some database in 
> Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right now I just 
> selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone tell me any 
> caveots with this approach?

well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time ago I was 
toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out Outlook can't see 
anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to remove it, it 
comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't have another 
server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the transaction logs 
have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" up.  Any 
suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is connected to a 
public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the storage before 
removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any help on this is 
appreciated.

"Christopher Smith" wrote:

> David,
> 
> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery capabilities of 
> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only the Priv IS 
> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you tweaked your 
> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items for a specified 
> period of time)
> -- 
> Chris S
> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
> 
> 
> "David Krugler" wrote:
> 
> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used to backup 
> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup (Exchange on 
> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on one tape, so 
> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and Public on 
> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but was 
> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. (I have a 
> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some database in 
> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right now I just 
> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone tell me any 
> > caveots with this approach?

please clarify...what is the "archive store"?  A mailbox store?  a public 
folder store?

-- 
Susan Conkey [MVP]



"David Krugler"  wrote in message 
news:C1A39CD5-3574-4397-AEF1-5F86DBB7D6F9@microsoft.com...
> well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time ago I 
> was
> toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out Outlook can't 
> see
> anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to remove it, 
> it
> comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't have 
> another
> server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the transaction 
> logs
> have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" up.  Any
> suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is connected to a
> public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the storage before
> removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any help on this 
> is
> appreciated.
>
> "Christopher Smith" wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery capabilities 
>> of
>> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only the Priv 
>> IS
>> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you tweaked your
>> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items for a 
>> specified
>> period of time)
>> -- 
>> Chris S
>> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
>>
>>
>> "David Krugler" wrote:
>>
>> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used to 
>> > backup
>> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup 
>> > (Exchange on
>> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on one 
>> > tape, so
>> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and Public on
>> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but was
>> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. (I 
>> > have a
>> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some 
>> > database in
>> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right now I 
>> > just
>> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone tell me 
>> > any
>> > caveots with this approach?

Public Folder.

"Susan" wrote:

> please clarify...what is the "archive store"?  A mailbox store?  a public 
> folder store?
> 
> -- 
> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> 
> 
> 
> "David Krugler"  wrote in message 
> news:C1A39CD5-3574-4397-AEF1-5F86DBB7D6F9@microsoft.com...
> > well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time ago I 
> > was
> > toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out Outlook can't 
> > see
> > anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to remove it, 
> > it
> > comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't have 
> > another
> > server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the transaction 
> > logs
> > have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" up.  Any
> > suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is connected to a
> > public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the storage before
> > removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any help on this 
> > is
> > appreciated.
> >
> > "Christopher Smith" wrote:
> >
> >> David,
> >>
> >> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery capabilities 
> >> of
> >> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only the Priv 
> >> IS
> >> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you tweaked your
> >> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items for a 
> >> specified
> >> period of time)
> >> -- 
> >> Chris S
> >> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
> >>
> >>
> >> "David Krugler" wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used to 
> >> > backup
> >> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup 
> >> > (Exchange on
> >> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on one 
> >> > tape, so
> >> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and Public on
> >> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but was
> >> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. (I 
> >> > have a
> >> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some 
> >> > database in
> >> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right now I 
> >> > just
> >> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone tell me 
> >> > any
> >> > caveots with this approach? 
> 
> 
>

you're trying to delete a public folder store?  there's nothing there you 
want?  is that what you're trying to do?

-- 
Susan Conkey [MVP]



"David Krugler"  wrote in message 
news:8A9A3033-72EC-4145-B4C3-01F78ECBAB00@microsoft.com...
> Public Folder.
>
> "Susan" wrote:
>
>> please clarify...what is the "archive store"?  A mailbox store?  a public
>> folder store?
>>
>> -- 
>> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>>
>>
>>
>> "David Krugler"  wrote in message
>> news:C1A39CD5-3574-4397-AEF1-5F86DBB7D6F9@microsoft.com...
>> > well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time ago I
>> > was
>> > toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out Outlook 
>> > can't
>> > see
>> > anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to remove 
>> > it,
>> > it
>> > comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't have
>> > another
>> > server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the transaction
>> > logs
>> > have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" up. 
>> > Any
>> > suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is connected 
>> > to a
>> > public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the storage 
>> > before
>> > removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any help on 
>> > this
>> > is
>> > appreciated.
>> >
>> > "Christopher Smith" wrote:
>> >
>> >> David,
>> >>
>> >> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery 
>> >> capabilities
>> >> of
>> >> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only the 
>> >> Priv
>> >> IS
>> >> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you tweaked 
>> >> your
>> >> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items for a
>> >> specified
>> >> period of time)
>> >> -- 
>> >> Chris S
>> >> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "David Krugler" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used to
>> >> > backup
>> >> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup
>> >> > (Exchange on
>> >> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on one
>> >> > tape, so
>> >> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and Public 
>> >> > on
>> >> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but was
>> >> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. (I
>> >> > have a
>> >> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some
>> >> > database in
>> >> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right 
>> >> > now I
>> >> > just
>> >> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone tell 
>> >> > me
>> >> > any
>> >> > caveots with this approach?
>>
>>
>>

Well, I created the store in order to try out and see if stuff we could 
archive off, and maybe backup less often, but still search for.  After 
finding out Outlook only sees one public folder, I tried to remove it, and 
ran into this.

So yes, I was tring to delete it, but it won't let me without sending it to 
another location, which I don't need it to.

"Susan" wrote:

> you're trying to delete a public folder store?  there's nothing there you 
> want?  is that what you're trying to do?
> 
> -- 
> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> 
> 
> 
> "David Krugler"  wrote in message 
> news:8A9A3033-72EC-4145-B4C3-01F78ECBAB00@microsoft.com...
> > Public Folder.
> >
> > "Susan" wrote:
> >
> >> please clarify...what is the "archive store"?  A mailbox store?  a public
> >> folder store?
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in message
> >> news:C1A39CD5-3574-4397-AEF1-5F86DBB7D6F9@microsoft.com...
> >> > well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time ago I
> >> > was
> >> > toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out Outlook 
> >> > can't
> >> > see
> >> > anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to remove 
> >> > it,
> >> > it
> >> > comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't have
> >> > another
> >> > server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the transaction
> >> > logs
> >> > have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" up. 
> >> > Any
> >> > suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is connected 
> >> > to a
> >> > public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the storage 
> >> > before
> >> > removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any help on 
> >> > this
> >> > is
> >> > appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > "Christopher Smith" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> David,
> >> >>
> >> >> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery 
> >> >> capabilities
> >> >> of
> >> >> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only the 
> >> >> Priv
> >> >> IS
> >> >> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you tweaked 
> >> >> your
> >> >> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items for a
> >> >> specified
> >> >> period of time)
> >> >> -- 
> >> >> Chris S
> >> >> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "David Krugler" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used to
> >> >> > backup
> >> >> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup
> >> >> > (Exchange on
> >> >> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on one
> >> >> > tape, so
> >> >> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and Public 
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but was
> >> >> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. (I
> >> >> > have a
> >> >> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some
> >> >> > database in
> >> >> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right 
> >> >> > now I
> >> >> > just
> >> >> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone tell 
> >> >> > me
> >> >> > any
> >> >> > caveots with this approach?
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> 
> 
>

how are you trying to delete the public folder?  in the ESM?

-- 
Susan Conkey [MVP]



"David Krugler"  wrote in message 
news:3317527A-7648-4311-9256-535B44047D51@microsoft.com...
> Well, I created the store in order to try out and see if stuff we could
> archive off, and maybe backup less often, but still search for.  After
> finding out Outlook only sees one public folder, I tried to remove it, and
> ran into this.
>
> So yes, I was tring to delete it, but it won't let me without sending it 
> to
> another location, which I don't need it to.
>
> "Susan" wrote:
>
>> you're trying to delete a public folder store?  there's nothing there you
>> want?  is that what you're trying to do?
>>
>> -- 
>> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>>
>>
>>
>> "David Krugler"  wrote in message
>> news:8A9A3033-72EC-4145-B4C3-01F78ECBAB00@microsoft.com...
>> > Public Folder.
>> >
>> > "Susan" wrote:
>> >
>> >> please clarify...what is the "archive store"?  A mailbox store?  a 
>> >> public
>> >> folder store?
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in 
>> >> message
>> >> news:C1A39CD5-3574-4397-AEF1-5F86DBB7D6F9@microsoft.com...
>> >> > well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time 
>> >> > ago I
>> >> > was
>> >> > toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out Outlook
>> >> > can't
>> >> > see
>> >> > anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to 
>> >> > remove
>> >> > it,
>> >> > it
>> >> > comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't have
>> >> > another
>> >> > server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the 
>> >> > transaction
>> >> > logs
>> >> > have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" up.
>> >> > Any
>> >> > suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is 
>> >> > connected
>> >> > to a
>> >> > public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the storage
>> >> > before
>> >> > removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any help 
>> >> > on
>> >> > this
>> >> > is
>> >> > appreciated.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Christopher Smith" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> David,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery
>> >> >> capabilities
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only 
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> Priv
>> >> >> IS
>> >> >> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you 
>> >> >> tweaked
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items for a
>> >> >> specified
>> >> >> period of time)
>> >> >> -- 
>> >> >> Chris S
>> >> >> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "David Krugler" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used 
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > backup
>> >> >> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup
>> >> >> > (Exchange on
>> >> >> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on 
>> >> >> > one
>> >> >> > tape, so
>> >> >> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and 
>> >> >> > Public
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but 
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. 
>> >> >> > (I
>> >> >> > have a
>> >> >> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some
>> >> >> > database in
>> >> >> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right
>> >> >> > now I
>> >> >> > just
>> >> >> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone 
>> >> >> > tell
>> >> >> > me
>> >> >> > any
>> >> >> > caveots with this approach?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

I go into Start-All Programs-Microsoft Exchange-System Manager

Under Administrative Group - First Administrative Group - Servers - Batman 
(SBS2003 server) - First Storage Group - Archive Storage (Public Folder) - 
Right Click and select delete, I get the message that "You cannot delete this 
public folder store because it contains folder replicas.  To avoid data loss, 
right click the public folder store and use Move All Replicas to move the 
replicas to a different server.  It may take several hours until the content 
is replicated to the new server and the local replicas are removed."

Now this is hooked to Administrative Groups - First Administrative Group - 
Folders - Public Archive of which I cannot remove the link, it bascially 
tells me to delete the Store.

I couldn't ever get Outlook to see the folder, so there is nothing there to 
save.  The ultimate goal was to move e-mails from our public folder of 
projects that were complete so that we wouldn't continue to back them up when 
nothing was changing.  

From looking around the web, I need to pick up a book on Sharepoint to 
understand how that works, unless I missed some setting in outlook that 
enables multiple public folders to be seen in outlook.

Hope this helps.

"Susan" wrote:

> how are you trying to delete the public folder?  in the ESM?
> 
> -- 
> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> 
> 
> 
> "David Krugler"  wrote in message 
> news:3317527A-7648-4311-9256-535B44047D51@microsoft.com...
> > Well, I created the store in order to try out and see if stuff we could
> > archive off, and maybe backup less often, but still search for.  After
> > finding out Outlook only sees one public folder, I tried to remove it, and
> > ran into this.
> >
> > So yes, I was tring to delete it, but it won't let me without sending it 
> > to
> > another location, which I don't need it to.
> >
> > "Susan" wrote:
> >
> >> you're trying to delete a public folder store?  there's nothing there you
> >> want?  is that what you're trying to do?
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in message
> >> news:8A9A3033-72EC-4145-B4C3-01F78ECBAB00@microsoft.com...
> >> > Public Folder.
> >> >
> >> > "Susan" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> please clarify...what is the "archive store"?  A mailbox store?  a 
> >> >> public
> >> >> folder store?
> >> >>
> >> >> -- 
> >> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in 
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:C1A39CD5-3574-4397-AEF1-5F86DBB7D6F9@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time 
> >> >> > ago I
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out Outlook
> >> >> > can't
> >> >> > see
> >> >> > anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to 
> >> >> > remove
> >> >> > it,
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't have
> >> >> > another
> >> >> > server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the 
> >> >> > transaction
> >> >> > logs
> >> >> > have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" up.
> >> >> > Any
> >> >> > suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is 
> >> >> > connected
> >> >> > to a
> >> >> > public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the storage
> >> >> > before
> >> >> > removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any help 
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > appreciated.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Christopher Smith" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> David,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery
> >> >> >> capabilities
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only 
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Priv
> >> >> >> IS
> >> >> >> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you 
> >> >> >> tweaked
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items for a
> >> >> >> specified
> >> >> >> period of time)
> >> >> >> -- 
> >> >> >> Chris S
> >> >> >> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "David Krugler" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used 
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > backup
> >> >> >> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup
> >> >> >> > (Exchange on
> >> >> >> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on 
> >> >> >> > one
> >> >> >> > tape, so
> >> >> >> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and 
> >> >> >> > Public
> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but 
> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. 
> >> >> >> > (I
> >> >> >> > have a
> >> >> >> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some
> >> >> >> > database in
> >> >> >> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right
> >> >> >> > now I
> >> >> >> > just
> >> >> >> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone 
> >> >> >> > tell
> >> >> >> > me
> >> >> >> > any
> >> >> >> > caveots with this approach?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> 
> 
>

ah...what you have to do first is to go "Folders" in the ESM...then expand 
"Public Folders", and delete the folders that still exist (if you're certain 
you don't want/need any of that data)...then, you should be able to dismount 
and delete the Public Folder Store...

-- 
Susan Conkey [MVP]



"David Krugler"  wrote in message 
news:CC1FA7E6-F853-4CDD-8646-3507120AA33B@microsoft.com...
>I go into Start-All Programs-Microsoft Exchange-System Manager
>
> Under Administrative Group - First Administrative Group - Servers - Batman
> (SBS2003 server) - First Storage Group - Archive Storage (Public Folder) -
> Right Click and select delete, I get the message that "You cannot delete 
> this
> public folder store because it contains folder replicas.  To avoid data 
> loss,
> right click the public folder store and use Move All Replicas to move the
> replicas to a different server.  It may take several hours until the 
> content
> is replicated to the new server and the local replicas are removed."
>
> Now this is hooked to Administrative Groups - First Administrative Group -
> Folders - Public Archive of which I cannot remove the link, it bascially
> tells me to delete the Store.
>
> I couldn't ever get Outlook to see the folder, so there is nothing there 
> to
> save.  The ultimate goal was to move e-mails from our public folder of
> projects that were complete so that we wouldn't continue to back them up 
> when
> nothing was changing.
>
> From looking around the web, I need to pick up a book on Sharepoint to
> understand how that works, unless I missed some setting in outlook that
> enables multiple public folders to be seen in outlook.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> "Susan" wrote:
>
>> how are you trying to delete the public folder?  in the ESM?
>>
>> -- 
>> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>>
>>
>>
>> "David Krugler"  wrote in message
>> news:3317527A-7648-4311-9256-535B44047D51@microsoft.com...
>> > Well, I created the store in order to try out and see if stuff we could
>> > archive off, and maybe backup less often, but still search for.  After
>> > finding out Outlook only sees one public folder, I tried to remove it, 
>> > and
>> > ran into this.
>> >
>> > So yes, I was tring to delete it, but it won't let me without sending 
>> > it
>> > to
>> > another location, which I don't need it to.
>> >
>> > "Susan" wrote:
>> >
>> >> you're trying to delete a public folder store?  there's nothing there 
>> >> you
>> >> want?  is that what you're trying to do?
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in 
>> >> message
>> >> news:8A9A3033-72EC-4145-B4C3-01F78ECBAB00@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Public Folder.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Susan" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> please clarify...what is the "archive store"?  A mailbox store?  a
>> >> >> public
>> >> >> folder store?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- 
>> >> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> news:C1A39CD5-3574-4397-AEF1-5F86DBB7D6F9@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time
>> >> >> > ago I
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out 
>> >> >> > Outlook
>> >> >> > can't
>> >> >> > see
>> >> >> > anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to
>> >> >> > remove
>> >> >> > it,
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't 
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > another
>> >> >> > server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the
>> >> >> > transaction
>> >> >> > logs
>> >> >> > have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" 
>> >> >> > up.
>> >> >> > Any
>> >> >> > suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is
>> >> >> > connected
>> >> >> > to a
>> >> >> > public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the 
>> >> >> > storage
>> >> >> > before
>> >> >> > removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any 
>> >> >> > help
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > appreciated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Christopher Smith" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> David,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery
>> >> >> >> capabilities
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> Priv
>> >> >> >> IS
>> >> >> >> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you
>> >> >> >> tweaked
>> >> >> >> your
>> >> >> >> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items 
>> >> >> >> for a
>> >> >> >> specified
>> >> >> >> period of time)
>> >> >> >> -- 
>> >> >> >> Chris S
>> >> >> >> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "David Krugler" wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I 
>> >> >> >> > used
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > backup
>> >> >> >> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup
>> >> >> >> > (Exchange on
>> >> >> >> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them 
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > one
>> >> >> >> > tape, so
>> >> >> >> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and
>> >> >> >> > Public
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, 
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > was
>> >> >> >> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this 
>> >> >> >> > way.
>> >> >> >> > (I
>> >> >> >> > have a
>> >> >> >> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there 
>> >> >> >> > some
>> >> >> >> > database in
>> >> >> >> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group. 
>> >> >> >> > Right
>> >> >> >> > now I
>> >> >> >> > just
>> >> >> >> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone
>> >> >> >> > tell
>> >> >> >> > me
>> >> >> >> > any
>> >> >> >> > caveots with this approach?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

That did it.  Now I have to wait till Wednesday night to see if it takes care 
of the Exchange logs.  
If it doesn't, is there a way to flush the logs before or after doing a 
backup on the two stores?

"Susan" wrote:

> how are you trying to delete the public folder?  in the ESM?
> 
> -- 
> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> 
> 
> 
> "David Krugler"  wrote in message 
> news:3317527A-7648-4311-9256-535B44047D51@microsoft.com...
> > Well, I created the store in order to try out and see if stuff we could
> > archive off, and maybe backup less often, but still search for.  After
> > finding out Outlook only sees one public folder, I tried to remove it, and
> > ran into this.
> >
> > So yes, I was tring to delete it, but it won't let me without sending it 
> > to
> > another location, which I don't need it to.
> >
> > "Susan" wrote:
> >
> >> you're trying to delete a public folder store?  there's nothing there you
> >> want?  is that what you're trying to do?
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in message
> >> news:8A9A3033-72EC-4145-B4C3-01F78ECBAB00@microsoft.com...
> >> > Public Folder.
> >> >
> >> > "Susan" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> please clarify...what is the "archive store"?  A mailbox store?  a 
> >> >> public
> >> >> folder store?
> >> >>
> >> >> -- 
> >> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in 
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:C1A39CD5-3574-4397-AEF1-5F86DBB7D6F9@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time 
> >> >> > ago I
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out Outlook
> >> >> > can't
> >> >> > see
> >> >> > anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to 
> >> >> > remove
> >> >> > it,
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't have
> >> >> > another
> >> >> > server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the 
> >> >> > transaction
> >> >> > logs
> >> >> > have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" up.
> >> >> > Any
> >> >> > suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is 
> >> >> > connected
> >> >> > to a
> >> >> > public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the storage
> >> >> > before
> >> >> > removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any help 
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > appreciated.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Christopher Smith" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> David,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery
> >> >> >> capabilities
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only 
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Priv
> >> >> >> IS
> >> >> >> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you 
> >> >> >> tweaked
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items for a
> >> >> >> specified
> >> >> >> period of time)
> >> >> >> -- 
> >> >> >> Chris S
> >> >> >> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "David Krugler" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I used 
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > backup
> >> >> >> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup
> >> >> >> > (Exchange on
> >> >> >> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them on 
> >> >> >> > one
> >> >> >> > tape, so
> >> >> >> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and 
> >> >> >> > Public
> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, but 
> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this way. 
> >> >> >> > (I
> >> >> >> > have a
> >> >> >> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there some
> >> >> >> > database in
> >> >> >> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group.  Right
> >> >> >> > now I
> >> >> >> > just
> >> >> >> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone 
> >> >> >> > tell
> >> >> >> > me
> >> >> >> > any
> >> >> >> > caveots with this approach?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> 
> 
>

you don't want to do that...let the backup handle it...it will purge the 
committed transaction log files...

-- 
Susan Conkey [MVP]



"David Krugler"  wrote in message 
news:D453DD21-A1A3-41A1-9407-DDB54FD0F15D@microsoft.com...
> That did it.  Now I have to wait till Wednesday night to see if it takes 
> care
> of the Exchange logs.
> If it doesn't, is there a way to flush the logs before or after doing a
> backup on the two stores?
>
> "Susan" wrote:
>
>> how are you trying to delete the public folder?  in the ESM?
>>
>> -- 
>> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>>
>>
>>
>> "David Krugler"  wrote in message
>> news:3317527A-7648-4311-9256-535B44047D51@microsoft.com...
>> > Well, I created the store in order to try out and see if stuff we could
>> > archive off, and maybe backup less often, but still search for.  After
>> > finding out Outlook only sees one public folder, I tried to remove it, 
>> > and
>> > ran into this.
>> >
>> > So yes, I was tring to delete it, but it won't let me without sending 
>> > it
>> > to
>> > another location, which I don't need it to.
>> >
>> > "Susan" wrote:
>> >
>> >> you're trying to delete a public folder store?  there's nothing there 
>> >> you
>> >> want?  is that what you're trying to do?
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in 
>> >> message
>> >> news:8A9A3033-72EC-4145-B4C3-01F78ECBAB00@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Public Folder.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Susan" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> please clarify...what is the "archive store"?  A mailbox store?  a
>> >> >> public
>> >> >> folder store?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- 
>> >> >> Susan Conkey [MVP]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "David Krugler"  wrote in
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> news:C1A39CD5-3574-4397-AEF1-5F86DBB7D6F9@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > well, To Susan and Chris, I have a follow up question.  Some time
>> >> >> > ago I
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > toying with the idea of an archive store until I found out 
>> >> >> > Outlook
>> >> >> > can't
>> >> >> > see
>> >> >> > anything but the mailbox and public folder.  But when I try to
>> >> >> > remove
>> >> >> > it,
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > comes up it stating it contains folder replicas.  Well, I don't 
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > another
>> >> >> > server to move it to.  I'm assuming this is why none of the
>> >> >> > transaction
>> >> >> > logs
>> >> >> > have been flushed because I was not backing the "Archive Store" 
>> >> >> > up.
>> >> >> > Any
>> >> >> > suggestions on how to get rid of this Storage Group?  It is
>> >> >> > connected
>> >> >> > to a
>> >> >> > public archive folder, and it tells me I need to delete the 
>> >> >> > storage
>> >> >> > before
>> >> >> > removing the folder.  Good game of Tennis if you ask me.  Any 
>> >> >> > help
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > appreciated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Christopher Smith" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> David,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This method is fine as long as you are OK with the recovery
>> >> >> >> capabilities
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> this solution.  In terms of your backups and SBS, there are only
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> Priv
>> >> >> >> IS
>> >> >> >> and Pub IS for Exchange.  How big is your priv db?  Have you
>> >> >> >> tweaked
>> >> >> >> your
>> >> >> >> deleted item retention policies? (as this keeps deleted items 
>> >> >> >> for a
>> >> >> >> specified
>> >> >> >> period of time)
>> >> >> >> -- 
>> >> >> >> Chris S
>> >> >> >> MCSE, MCITP:Messaging, CISSP
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "David Krugler" wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > I have a question about NTBackup and Exchange in SBS2003.  I 
>> >> >> >> > used
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > backup
>> >> >> >> > the Microsoft Information Store and System State in one backup
>> >> >> >> > (Exchange on
>> >> >> >> > X, Winnt on C).  As of last week, I could no longer fit them 
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > one
>> >> >> >> > tape, so
>> >> >> >> > I moved the System State to Monday, Mailbox on Tuesday, and
>> >> >> >> > Public
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > Wednesday.  I've checked the logs and everything appears ok, 
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > was
>> >> >> >> > wondering if I am missing something by backup things up this 
>> >> >> >> > way.
>> >> >> >> > (I
>> >> >> >> > have a
>> >> >> >> > full system backup going to USB Drive Every night)  Is there 
>> >> >> >> > some
>> >> >> >> > database in
>> >> >> >> > Exchange I'm missing by not selecting First Storage Group. 
>> >> >> >> > Right
>> >> >> >> > now I
>> >> >> >> > just
>> >> >> >> > selected MailBox Store and Public Store seperately. Can anyone
>> >> >> >> > tell
>> >> >> >> > me
>> >> >> >> > any
>> >> >> >> > caveots with this approach?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>