My add-in menu problem

My add-in menu problem

Hi all,

I have strange my add-in menu problem when it dissapears under some 
circumstances in Visio 2007. The problem can be illustrated using "WBS 
TreeView" add-in example from Visio SDK:

1. Initial Visio 2007 menu has a following list of top menu items: "File, 
Edit, View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Shape, Window, Help",

2. After "WBS TreeView" is activated and some MS Project data file is loaded 
in Visio, menu is extended with "TreeView Sample", like: "File, Edit, View, 
Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Shape, TreeView Sample, Window, Help",

3. However, when new database document is created ("File / New / Software 
and Database / Database model diagram"), new menu item "Database" is 
created, but "WBS TreeView" menu is removed from Visio 2007: "File, Edit, 
View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Database, Shape, Window, Help".

There is no way to restore "TreeView Sample" whatever I do. How "WBS 
TreeView" sample code can be extended to have its menu permanent in Visio 
2007?

Thanks in advance,
BBD

date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:28:19 +0300 author: BBD

Re: My add-in menu problem

If you check out the sample code, I would suspect that it tests to see if 
the correct document has been loaded before it initializes the menu. You 
might try removing the test.
al

"BBD"  wrote in message 
news:eprtW532IHA.4484@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi all,
>
> I have strange my add-in menu problem when it dissapears under some 
> circumstances in Visio 2007. The problem can be illustrated using "WBS 
> TreeView" add-in example from Visio SDK:
>
> 1. Initial Visio 2007 menu has a following list of top menu items: "File, 
> Edit, View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Shape, Window, Help",
>
> 2. After "WBS TreeView" is activated and some MS Project data file is 
> loaded in Visio, menu is extended with "TreeView Sample", like: "File, 
> Edit, View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Shape, TreeView Sample, Window, 
> Help",
>
> 3. However, when new database document is created ("File / New / Software 
> and Database / Database model diagram"), new menu item "Database" is 
> created, but "WBS TreeView" menu is removed from Visio 2007: "File, Edit, 
> View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Database, Shape, Window, Help".
>
> There is no way to restore "TreeView Sample" whatever I do. How "WBS 
> TreeView" sample code can be extended to have its menu permanent in Visio 
> 2007?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> BBD
>
>

date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:27:04 -0500 author: AlEdlund

Re: My add-in menu problem

Hi Al,

Thank you.

No, WBS does not test the document before it creates the menu entry. It 
simply creates new item "TreeView Sample".

I would suspect that new database diagram clears all Visio top menu items 
what does not have BuiltIn property set to "true". All built-in Visio menu 
items ("File", "Edit", etc) has such member set to "true", while all custom 
menu items, created by some add-in, does not. How can I set my add-in menu 
popup to "built-in" programmatically to avoid the removal? Any other ideas?

BBD

"AlEdlund"  wrote in message 
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> If you check out the sample code, I would suspect that it tests to see if 
> the correct document has been loaded before it initializes the menu. You 
> might try removing the test.
> al
>
> "BBD"  wrote in message 
> news:eprtW532IHA.4484@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have strange my add-in menu problem when it dissapears under some 
>> circumstances in Visio 2007. The problem can be illustrated using "WBS 
>> TreeView" add-in example from Visio SDK:
>>
>> 1. Initial Visio 2007 menu has a following list of top menu items: "File, 
>> Edit, View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Shape, Window, Help",
>>
>> 2. After "WBS TreeView" is activated and some MS Project data file is 
>> loaded in Visio, menu is extended with "TreeView Sample", like: "File, 
>> Edit, View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Shape, TreeView Sample, Window, 
>> Help",
>>
>> 3. However, when new database document is created ("File / New / Software 
>> and Database / Database model diagram"), new menu item "Database" is 
>> created, but "WBS TreeView" menu is removed from Visio 2007: "File, Edit, 
>> View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Database, Shape, Window, Help".
>>
>> There is no way to restore "TreeView Sample" whatever I do. How "WBS 
>> TreeView" sample code can be extended to have its menu permanent in Visio 
>> 2007?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> BBD
>>
>>
>

date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:33:15 +0300 author: BBD

Re: My add-in menu problem

The Database Modelling AddOn does remove other menus, because it assumes 
that you don't need them.
Visio UI has two alternative class hierarchies - UIObjects (pre Microsoft - 
used by the Database Model diagram probably) and OfficeCommandBar (post 
Microsoft - used by WBS TreeView), and in my experience, they are not always 
compatible.

My WBS Modeler was an enhancement of the WBS TreeView sample, and it suffers 
the same problem of losing its menu when the Database Model diagram is 
opened.  I'll need to investigate, but I 'm sure that you cannot change them 
to "built-in"

The next version of Visio will have the Fluent UI, thus the future of the 
older UIObjects must be uncertain.

"BBD"  wrote in message 
news:%23kQTsg52IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi Al,
>
> Thank you.
>
> No, WBS does not test the document before it creates the menu entry. It 
> simply creates new item "TreeView Sample".
>
> I would suspect that new database diagram clears all Visio top menu items 
> what does not have BuiltIn property set to "true". All built-in Visio menu 
> items ("File", "Edit", etc) has such member set to "true", while all 
> custom menu items, created by some add-in, does not. How can I set my 
> add-in menu popup to "built-in" programmatically to avoid the removal? Any 
> other ideas?
>
> BBD
>
> "AlEdlund"  wrote in message 
> news:6C6D8BAF-3A6D-488B-A139-97BD36E40557@microsoft.com...
>> If you check out the sample code, I would suspect that it tests to see if 
>> the correct document has been loaded before it initializes the menu. You 
>> might try removing the test.
>> al
>>
>> "BBD"  wrote in message 
>> news:eprtW532IHA.4484@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have strange my add-in menu problem when it dissapears under some 
>>> circumstances in Visio 2007. The problem can be illustrated using "WBS 
>>> TreeView" add-in example from Visio SDK:
>>>
>>> 1. Initial Visio 2007 menu has a following list of top menu items: 
>>> "File, Edit, View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Shape, Window, Help",
>>>
>>> 2. After "WBS TreeView" is activated and some MS Project data file is 
>>> loaded in Visio, menu is extended with "TreeView Sample", like: "File, 
>>> Edit, View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Shape, TreeView Sample, Window, 
>>> Help",
>>>
>>> 3. However, when new database document is created ("File / New / 
>>> Software and Database / Database model diagram"), new menu item 
>>> "Database" is created, but "WBS TreeView" menu is removed from Visio 
>>> 2007: "File, Edit, View, Insert, Format, Tools, Data, Database, Shape, 
>>> Window, Help".
>>>
>>> There is no way to restore "TreeView Sample" whatever I do. How "WBS 
>>> TreeView" sample code can be extended to have its menu permanent in 
>>> Visio 2007?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> BBD
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

-- 
David Parker
Microsoft MVP (Visio)
http://bvisual.spaces.live.com
http://www.visualizinginformation.com

date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:43:07 +0100 author: David Parker

Re: My add-in menu problem

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:43:07 +0100, "David Parker" 
wrote:

>The Database Modelling AddOn does remove other menus, because it assumes 
>that you don't need them.

Along with the UML addon, it shouldn't be a difficult job to modify
these addons to check the CustomUI menu before creating their own menu
entry. It's an extra three lines of code.
Who owns the source code for these addons?

-- 
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
Electronics for Visio        http://www.electronics.sandrila.co.uk/

date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:10:01 +0100 author: Paul Herber

Re: My add-in menu problem

On 2 ÉÀÌ, 17:10, Paul Herber 
wrote:
> Along with the UML addon, it shouldn't be a difficult job to modify
> these addons to check the CustomUI menu before creating their own menu
> entry. It's an extra three lines of code.

Fully agree.
"Does remove other menus because It (note capital) assumes you don't
need them". That's the spirit! ;-)

> Who owns the source code for these addons?

I suppose that Microsoft does...doesn't it?
Just wondering why these two (UML and Database) still believe they are
"the ones"...

Kind regards, Nikolay.

date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:18:15 -0700 (PDT) author: Nikolay Belyh

Re: My add-in menu problem

Microsoft does ... but that doesn't mean that they have anyone actively 
maintaining them, or that they would dream of issuing a patch  ...

"Nikolay Belyh"  wrote in message 
news:6db825ce-11c0-4c12-b0c5-afc8a7335a92@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On 2 ÉÀÌ, 17:10, Paul Herber 
wrote:
> Along with the UML addon, it shouldn't be a difficult job to modify
> these addons to check the CustomUI menu before creating their own menu
> entry. It's an extra three lines of code.

Fully agree.
"Does remove other menus because It (note capital) assumes you don't
need them". That's the spirit! ;-)

> Who owns the source code for these addons?

I suppose that Microsoft does...doesn't it?
Just wondering why these two (UML and Database) still believe they are
"the ones"...

Kind regards, Nikolay.

-- 
David Parker
Microsoft MVP (Visio)
http://bvisual.spaces.live.com
http://www.visualizinginformation.com

date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:14:08 +0100 author: David Parker

Re: My add-in menu problem

David, I have emailed you about another issue.


-- 
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.sandrila.co.uk/              http://www.pherber.com/

date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:58:46 +0100 author: Paul Herber

Re: My add-in menu problem

They have announced that (at least for now) what you see is what you get, 
since they aren't currently planning to release a v2007 version (per 
visiotoolbox).
al

"David Parker"  wrote in message 
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> Microsoft does ... but that doesn't mean that they have anyone actively 
> maintaining them, or that they would dream of issuing a patch  ...
>
> "Nikolay Belyh"  wrote in message 
> news:6db825ce-11c0-4c12-b0c5-afc8a7335a92@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On 2 ÉÀÌ, 17:10, Paul Herber 
> wrote:
>> Along with the UML addon, it shouldn't be a difficult job to modify
>> these addons to check the CustomUI menu before creating their own menu
>> entry. It's an extra three lines of code.
>
> Fully agree.
> "Does remove other menus because It (note capital) assumes you don't
> need them". That's the spirit! ;-)
>
>> Who owns the source code for these addons?
>
> I suppose that Microsoft does...doesn't it?
> Just wondering why these two (UML and Database) still believe they are
> "the ones"...
>
> Kind regards, Nikolay.
>
> -- 
> David Parker
> Microsoft MVP (Visio)
> http://bvisual.spaces.live.com
> http://www.visualizinginformation.com

date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:36:49 -0500 author: AlEdlund