I'm not sure what the category shape is for? My guess is it is for a sub-table that is a list of a category of a main table? What I would do in the past is use a regular table shape for a category table in standard Visio only make it smaller. Is there a place totype in the field defintion or values in this main category shape that kind of looks like a head with arms like in the entity symbol? In the definition info section it looks like you can't enter anything. For example, I have a category called "company_type_description". That is connected by the company_id from the company table to the company_type_description category sub-table. On my ERD do I just put the head with arms symbol and a child to parent category connector to connect it to the company table via company_id? It doesn't tell me what the field is but I guess I would know it is a company category field. thanks,