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date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:29:59 +0000,    group: microsoft.public.frontpage.client        back       


Re: Local Server?    
You don't need a web server to use FrontPage includes.  As I said 
before, the included page is added to the parent page when the parent is 
saved - open a page that has a FrontPage include in it and you will see 
that for yourself.  If FireFox etc. does not display the included 
content, then there is an error in the code - or you are using root 
relative links from a website not located at the hard drive root folder. 
  (Neither FrontPage nor Expression Web will allow you to open a web 
site that is located at the hard drive root folder - both programs 
insist that websites are in folders.)
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp




"rfr"  wrote in message 
news:a5WdnQQIpfRPx-zVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@prairiewave.com:

> If I have someone set up IIs on my Win XP Media center PC, will it be active
> ONLY on drive C:\? Or will it be effective on my drive E:\ ( which is a
> partition of the same physical drive as C:\)?
>
> If so, then May  I assume that I could start using server side includes
> rather than FrontPage Inlcudes and be able to view them using MSIE, FF,Opera
> and Netscape? And might be able to use and view PHP as part of my webs?
>
> Would the FrontPage 2003 display and preview modes be effected?
>
> "Kathleen Anderson"  wrote in message
> news:etdxNx73IHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > You can run IIS on Windows XP Media Center Edition - I do.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~ Kathleen Anderson
> > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> > Spider Web Woman Designs
> > Expression Web Resources: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/xweb/
> > FrontPage Resources: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
> > Please reply to the newsgroup for the benefit of others
> >
> >
> > "Steve Easton"  wrote in message
> > news:uDAi8j73IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> IIS is installed on C:\ and there is no option to install it a different
> >> drive.
> >> IIS works in XP Pro.
> >> If there is no option in Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs > Add
> >> Remove Windows Components, then Media Center won't run it.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Steve Easton
> >> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
> >> FP Cleaner
> >> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
> >> Hit Me FP
> >> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "rfr"  wrote in message
> >> news:lp-dnb75aaqc2OzVnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@prairiewave.com...
> >>> Is it possible to run a IIs server on just a logical drive E:\ on a
> >>> local PC running Win XP Media center? Or does it entirely replace  Wind
> >>> XP media center and effect all logical ( partitioned) and physical
> >>> drives?
> >>>
> >>> "Stefan B Rusynko"  wrote in message
> >>> news:es$qUB03IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>>> IF running an OS that supports IIS you could install the FPSE on your
> >>>> PC and run your FP web from localhost
> >>>> - but if you don't want to go thru that, and your host supports subwebs
> >>>> set up a staging subweb to publish to for testing (you could
> >>>> set it up w/ unique permissions so no one else could see it)
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> _____________________________________________
> >>>> SBR @ ENJOY (-:              [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
> >>>> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!"  (-;
> >>>> _____________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "rfr"  wrote in message
> >>>> news:5JydneMHao5_mO3VnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@prairiewave.com...
> >>>> |I have a need to be able to view my FrontPage web creations, during
> >>>> the
> >>>> | design and creation phase, on my local PC, not only in MSIE, but in
> >>>> Opera,
> >>>> | FireFox and Netscape.
> >>>> |
> >>>> | But, FF, Opera and Netscape do not render HTML material correctly on
> >>>> my
> >>>> | local PC. I have to move it to an Internet server, to get FF, Opera
> >>>> and
> >>>> | Netscape to see if there are any differences between those and  how
> >>>> MSIE
> >>>> | renders the code. Experimenting live on Internet is not a wise
> >>>> method.
> >>>> | Visitors will see the evolving, non-functional stuff. I only want
> >>>> them to
> >>>> | see the finished, polished, functional stuff.
> >>>> |
> >>>> | So, I have been wondering ho hard it is to set up a local server ( or
> >>>> costly
> >>>> | to have someone else do it and keep it maintained). I do not like
> >>>> techy
> >>>> | things.
> >>>> |
> >>>> | I have all my FrontPage webs on drive E;/ of my local PC.
> >>>> |
> >>>> | Do any of you have server software running on your local PC to
> >>>> accomplish
> >>>> | what I am seeking?
> >>>> |
> >>>> | Is there a simple way of doing this?
> >>>> |
> >>>> |
> >>>> |
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:29:59 +0000   author:   Ronx

Re: Local Server?    
That should read:

Use Notepad to open a page that has a FrontPage include in it ...

The HTML for the include will be similar to:

<!--webbot bot="Include" tag="BODY" u-include="includedpage.htm" 
startspan -->

HTML from included page

<!--webbot bot="Include" i-checksum="51331" endspan -->


--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp




"Ronx"  wrote in message 
news:eDX7nuA4IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> You don't need a web server to use FrontPage includes.  As I said
> before, the included page is added to the parent page when the parent is
> saved - open a page that has a FrontPage include in it and you will see
> that for yourself.  If FireFox etc. does not display the included
> content, then there is an error in the code - or you are using root
> relative links from a website not located at the hard drive root folder.
>   (Neither FrontPage nor Expression Web will allow you to open a web
> site that is located at the hard drive root folder - both programs
> insist that websites are in folders.)
> --
> Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>
> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
>
>
>
>
> "rfr"  wrote in message
> news:a5WdnQQIpfRPx-zVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
> > If I have someone set up IIs on my Win XP Media center PC, will it be active
> > ONLY on drive C:\? Or will it be effective on my drive E:\ ( which is a
> > partition of the same physical drive as C:\)?
> >
> > If so, then May  I assume that I could start using server side includes
> > rather than FrontPage Inlcudes and be able to view them using MSIE, FF,Opera
> > and Netscape? And might be able to use and view PHP as part of my webs?
> >
> > Would the FrontPage 2003 display and preview modes be effected?
> >
> > "Kathleen Anderson"  wrote in message
> > news:etdxNx73IHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > > You can run IIS on Windows XP Media Center Edition - I do.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ~ Kathleen Anderson
> > > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> > > Spider Web Woman Designs
> > > Expression Web Resources: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/xweb/
> > > FrontPage Resources: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
> > > Please reply to the newsgroup for the benefit of others
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve Easton"  wrote in message
> > > news:uDAi8j73IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > >> IIS is installed on C:\ and there is no option to install it a different
> > >> drive.
> > >> IIS works in XP Pro.
> > >> If there is no option in Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs > Add
> > >> Remove Windows Components, then Media Center won't run it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Steve Easton
> > >> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
> > >> FP Cleaner
> > >> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
> > >> Hit Me FP
> > >> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "rfr"  wrote in message
> > >> news:lp-dnb75aaqc2OzVnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@prairiewave.com...
> > >>> Is it possible to run a IIs server on just a logical drive E:\ on a
> > >>> local PC running Win XP Media center? Or does it entirely replace  Wind
> > >>> XP media center and effect all logical ( partitioned) and physical
> > >>> drives?
> > >>>
> > >>> "Stefan B Rusynko"  wrote in message
> > >>> news:es$qUB03IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > >>>> IF running an OS that supports IIS you could install the FPSE on your
> > >>>> PC and run your FP web from localhost
> > >>>> - but if you don't want to go thru that, and your host supports subwebs
> > >>>> set up a staging subweb to publish to for testing (you could
> > >>>> set it up w/ unique permissions so no one else could see it)
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _____________________________________________
> > >>>> SBR @ ENJOY (-:              [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
> > >>>> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!"  (-;
> > >>>> _____________________________________________
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "rfr"  wrote in message
> > >>>> news:5JydneMHao5_mO3VnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@prairiewave.com...
> > >>>> |I have a need to be able to view my FrontPage web creations, during
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> | design and creation phase, on my local PC, not only in MSIE, but in
> > >>>> Opera,
> > >>>> | FireFox and Netscape.
> > >>>> |
> > >>>> | But, FF, Opera and Netscape do not render HTML material correctly on
> > >>>> my
> > >>>> | local PC. I have to move it to an Internet server, to get FF, Opera
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> | Netscape to see if there are any differences between those and  how
> > >>>> MSIE
> > >>>> | renders the code. Experimenting live on Internet is not a wise
> > >>>> method.
> > >>>> | Visitors will see the evolving, non-functional stuff. I only want
> > >>>> them to
> > >>>> | see the finished, polished, functional stuff.
> > >>>> |
> > >>>> | So, I have been wondering ho hard it is to set up a local server ( or
> > >>>> costly
> > >>>> | to have someone else do it and keep it maintained). I do not like
> > >>>> techy
> > >>>> | things.
> > >>>> |
> > >>>> | I have all my FrontPage webs on drive E;/ of my local PC.
> > >>>> |
> > >>>> | Do any of you have server software running on your local PC to
> > >>>> accomplish
> > >>>> | what I am seeking?
> > >>>> |
> > >>>> | Is there a simple way of doing this?
> > >>>> |
> > >>>> |
> > >>>> |
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:17:52 +0000   author:   Ronx

Re: Local Server?    
I agree that . . Obviously you dont need a web server to use FrontPage 
includes. I have been sucessfully using them for years.

There is NO error in the code. It all validates using the W3C Validators AND 
it runs ok on the when published to my Internet server. It is ONLY on my 
LOCAL PC that there is an odd failure with FF, Opera and Netscape.

I have created an image of the results I get using the four browsers on my 
local pc vs on the Internet server.

http://www.wgtn.net/local_pc_browser_problem_2008_07_07.jpg

The top row of the linked image shows what the four browsers display from my 
local PC.  MSIE is ok. The others are missing stuff. Each browser has its 
own column.

The bottom row of the linked image shows the same document when published 
and viewed from my Internet server. When viewed from the Internet server 
they all look rather well.

But, I dont want to autho on the Interbet server. I want to author on my 
local PC and not move it to the server util they ALL look good.

Right now, I cannot tell if they ALL look good on my local PC.

The main domain is at the ROOT of drive E:\

The subwebs are folders (official FrontPage subwebs) within drive E:\

I have had no problem with URL addressing for years. Neither here on my 
local PC nor on the server.

I have been suspecting that FF, Opera and netscape have an odd way of 
handling the finding of local PC files aand directories and get themselves 
confused, but MSIE doesnt get confused.

The code is the same on the Internet server and my local PC. Therefore the 
only difference is ow the vrious browsers find things. If it is valid code, 
they all should be the same. They are not the same. Therefore, I have 
concluded that FF, Opera and Netscape have some deficiency when run locally.

"Ronx"  wrote in message 
news:eDX7nuA4IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> You don't need a web server to use FrontPage includes.  As I said before, 
> the included page is added to the parent page when the parent is saved - 
> open a page that has a FrontPage include in it and you will see that for 
> yourself.  If FireFox etc. does not display the included content, then 
> there is an error in the code - or you are using root relative links from 
> a website not located at the hard drive root folder. (Neither FrontPage 
> nor Expression Web will allow you to open a web site that is located at 
> the hard drive root folder - both programs insist that websites are in 
> folders.)
> --
> Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>
> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
>
>
>
>
> "rfr"  wrote in message 
> news:a5WdnQQIpfRPx-zVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
>> If I have someone set up IIs on my Win XP Media center PC, will it be 
>> active
>> ONLY on drive C:\? Or will it be effective on my drive E:\ ( which is a
>> partition of the same physical drive as C:\)?
>>
>> If so, then May  I assume that I could start using server side includes
>> rather than FrontPage Inlcudes and be able to view them using MSIE, 
>> FF,Opera
>> and Netscape? And might be able to use and view PHP as part of my webs?
>>
>> Would the FrontPage 2003 display and preview modes be effected?
>>
>> "Kathleen Anderson"  wrote in message
>> news:etdxNx73IHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> > You can run IIS on Windows XP Media Center Edition - I do.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ~ Kathleen Anderson
>> > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
>> > Spider Web Woman Designs
>> > Expression Web Resources: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/xweb/
>> > FrontPage Resources: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>> > Please reply to the newsgroup for the benefit of others
>> >
>> >
>> > "Steve Easton"  wrote in message
>> > news:uDAi8j73IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> IIS is installed on C:\ and there is no option to install it a 
>> >> different
>> >> drive.
>> >> IIS works in XP Pro.
>> >> If there is no option in Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs > Add
>> >> Remove Windows Components, then Media Center won't run it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Steve Easton
>> >> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
>> >> FP Cleaner
>> >> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
>> >> Hit Me FP
>> >> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "rfr"  wrote in message
>> >> news:lp-dnb75aaqc2OzVnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>> >>> Is it possible to run a IIs server on just a logical drive E:\ on a
>> >>> local PC running Win XP Media center? Or does it entirely replace 
>> >>> Wind
>> >>> XP media center and effect all logical ( partitioned) and physical
>> >>> drives?
>> >>>
>> >>> "Stefan B Rusynko"  wrote in message
>> >>> news:es$qUB03IHA.4988@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >>>> IF running an OS that supports IIS you could install the FPSE on 
>> >>>> your
>> >>>> PC and run your FP web from localhost
>> >>>> - but if you don't want to go thru that, and your host supports 
>> >>>> subwebs
>> >>>> set up a staging subweb to publish to for testing (you could
>> >>>> set it up w/ unique permissions so no one else could see it)
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _____________________________________________
>> >>>> SBR @ ENJOY (-:              [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
>> >>>> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!"  (-;
>> >>>> _____________________________________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "rfr"  wrote in message
>> >>>> news:5JydneMHao5_mO3VnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>> >>>> |I have a need to be able to view my FrontPage web creations, during
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> | design and creation phase, on my local PC, not only in MSIE, but 
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> Opera,
>> >>>> | FireFox and Netscape.
>> >>>> |
>> >>>> | But, FF, Opera and Netscape do not render HTML material correctly 
>> >>>> on
>> >>>> my
>> >>>> | local PC. I have to move it to an Internet server, to get FF, 
>> >>>> Opera
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> | Netscape to see if there are any differences between those and 
>> >>>> how
>> >>>> MSIE
>> >>>> | renders the code. Experimenting live on Internet is not a wise
>> >>>> method.
>> >>>> | Visitors will see the evolving, non-functional stuff. I only want
>> >>>> them to
>> >>>> | see the finished, polished, functional stuff.
>> >>>> |
>> >>>> | So, I have been wondering ho hard it is to set up a local server 
>> >>>> ( or
>> >>>> costly
>> >>>> | to have someone else do it and keep it maintained). I do not like
>> >>>> techy
>> >>>> | things.
>> >>>> |
>> >>>> | I have all my FrontPage webs on drive E;/ of my local PC.
>> >>>> |
>> >>>> | Do any of you have server software running on your local PC to
>> >>>> accomplish
>> >>>> | what I am seeking?
>> >>>> |
>> >>>> | Is there a simple way of doing this?
>> >>>> |
>> >>>> |
>> >>>> |
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:56:11 -0500   author:   rfr

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