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date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:36:29 -0400,    group: microsoft.public.access.multiuser        back       


Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal Server and VPN   
Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal 
Server and VPN. So far VPN is ahead. Using Cisco Easy VPN client I get an IP 
off a cisco PIX firewall , then "net use" it along with it's path, and then 
open a front end in Access that's been set to use this path to the back end. 
So far, so good; tested with 3 machines simultaneously; two going through 
the PIX.

It seems better than playing with Terminal Server and licensing; also it 
seems to work fine with XP Pro as the "server" ; ( I tested with Server 2003 
but then wondered why I was bothering) .



Are there any  "gotcha's"  awaiting me ?
date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:36:29 -0400   author:   barret bonden

Re: Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal Server and VPN   
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:36:29 -0400, "barret bonden"
 wrote:

Yes,
Access is very sensitive to momentary interruptions of network
continuity. Those interruptons are frequent if the public internet is
involved. AT THE VERY LEAST you should keep rigorous backups and be
prepared to restore them (losing all recent updates) at a moment's
notice.
Not something I have the stomach for.

-Tom.
Microsoft Access MVP


>
>
>  Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal 
>Server and VPN. So far VPN is ahead. Using Cisco Easy VPN client I get an IP 
>off a cisco PIX firewall , then "net use" it along with it's path, and then 
>open a front end in Access that's been set to use this path to the back end. 
>So far, so good; tested with 3 machines simultaneously; two going through 
>the PIX.
>
>It seems better than playing with Terminal Server and licensing; also it 
>seems to work fine with XP Pro as the "server" ; ( I tested with Server 2003 
>but then wondered why I was bothering) .
>
>
>
>Are there any  "gotcha's"  awaiting me ?
>
>
> 
>
date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:29:09 -0700   author:   Tom van Stiphout

Re: Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal Server and VPN   
Tom:

  Thanks for the reply

  Would you suggest Terminal Server as a better alternative ?  I have read 
that with a back end/front end split I was
safe, even with the interruptions to be found with off site access .






"Tom van Stiphout"  wrote in message 
news:6kiq84h2ll3lrv5l3j9es77ncjpkjnb9f7@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:36:29 -0400, "barret bonden"
>  wrote:
>
> Yes,
> Access is very sensitive to momentary interruptions of network
> continuity. Those interruptons are frequent if the public internet is
> involved. AT THE VERY LEAST you should keep rigorous backups and be
> prepared to restore them (losing all recent updates) at a moment's
> notice.
> Not something I have the stomach for.
>
> -Tom.
> Microsoft Access MVP
>
>
>>
>>
>>  Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal
>>Server and VPN. So far VPN is ahead. Using Cisco Easy VPN client I get an 
>>IP
>>off a cisco PIX firewall , then "net use" it along with it's path, and 
>>then
>>open a front end in Access that's been set to use this path to the back 
>>end.
>>So far, so good; tested with 3 machines simultaneously; two going through
>>the PIX.
>>
>>It seems better than playing with Terminal Server and licensing; also it
>>seems to work fine with XP Pro as the "server" ; ( I tested with Server 
>>2003
>>but then wondered why I was bothering) .
>>
>>
>>
>>Are there any  "gotcha's"  awaiting me ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:57:01 -0400   author:   barret bonden

Re: Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal Server and VPN   
"barret bonden"  wrote

 > Tom:
 >
 >  Thanks for the reply
 >
 >  Would you suggest Terminal Server as a better alternative?
 >  I have read that with a back end/front end split I was
 > safe, even with the interruptions to be found with off site access .

I believe you mis-read.

Splitting the back and front end just places your data somewhere other than 
your own machine but still uses it just the same way it would use it if it 
were in a folder on your local hard drive. That opens the opportunity that a 
dropped connection (extremely common going over the Internet), even a 
momentary one, can corrupt either the back-end database or your front-end 
database.  Access / Jet  or Access/ ACE are file-server databases and all 
the work is done on the machine where the front-end and database engine are 
running.

If you want "safe" over a flakey network (which the public Internet is), you 
will have to move your data to a server DB... MS SQL Server is one that many 
use, but there are others, some free.

Or, alternatively, use Terminal Services in the manner it was intended, to 
allow you to remotely execute your application ON THE SERVER -- not many 
commercial web presence providers have such a capability, so this would very 
likely have to be on your own web server machine (or a separate machine 
hosted for you by a web presence provider).

 Larry Linson
 Microsoft Office Access MVP
date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:40:26 -0500   author:   Larry Linson

Re: Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal Server and VPN   
Many people find that a VPN is too slow, much slower than Terminal
Services. What kind of a network is the VPN running over?

Personally, I've never had a client that used a VPN given any choice. I
have used Access over a VPN for interstate support where I was
willing to wait 5-10 minutes for a form to open:  I've seen low-wage staff
using the same application with 1 minute form open times because they
were given no choice. (That was many years ago) It was less bad than
trying to use an Access application running with Anti-Virus scanning
across the local network, which gave 20-30 minute form open times.

(david)

"barret bonden"  wrote in message 
news:488cea4e$0$5022$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
>
>  Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal 
> Server and VPN. So far VPN is ahead. Using Cisco Easy VPN client I get an 
> IP off a cisco PIX firewall , then "net use" it along with it's path, and 
> then open a front end in Access that's been set to use this path to the 
> back end. So far, so good; tested with 3 machines simultaneously; two 
> going through the PIX.
>
> It seems better than playing with Terminal Server and licensing; also it 
> seems to work fine with XP Pro as the "server" ; ( I tested with Server 
> 2003 but then wondered why I was bothering) .
>
>
>
> Are there any  "gotcha's"  awaiting me ?
>
>
>
>
>
date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:33:47 +1000   author:   david

Re: Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal Server and VPN   
So assuming that one would want to set up a front and back end system where
the front end mdb is located at point A and the back end at point B. Where
the internet is used as the pipeline of interconnection, what would be the
best way to set this up?  FTP site (mapped), VPN, TS?  Assuming that you
convert to a Client Server set up still using MS ACCESS would this help?  

david wrote:
>Many people find that a VPN is too slow, much slower than Terminal
>Services. What kind of a network is the VPN running over?
>
>Personally, I've never had a client that used a VPN given any choice. I
>have used Access over a VPN for interstate support where I was
>willing to wait 5-10 minutes for a form to open:  I've seen low-wage staff
>using the same application with 1 minute form open times because they
>were given no choice. (That was many years ago) It was less bad than
>trying to use an Access application running with Anti-Virus scanning
>across the local network, which gave 20-30 minute form open times.
>
>(david)
>
>>  Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal 
>> Server and VPN. So far VPN is ahead. Using Cisco Easy VPN client I get an 
>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>> Are there any  "gotcha's"  awaiting me ?

-- 
Message posted via http://www.accessmonster.com
date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:29:33 GMT   author:   sctech via AccessMonster.com u44987@uwe

Re: Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal Server and VPN   
"sctech via AccessMonster.com" <u44987@uwe> wrote:

>So assuming that one would want to set up a front and back end system where
>the front end mdb is located at point A and the back end at point B. Where
>the internet is used as the pipeline of interconnection, what would be the
>best way to set this up?  FTP site (mapped), VPN, TS?  Assuming that you
>convert to a Client Server set up still using MS ACCESS would this help?  

You can't use Access and FTP in the fashion you are thinking of.  VPN
might work if your connection between point A and point B was 100 mbps
or better and rock solid.

Thus Terminal Server is your best solution.

Tony
-- 
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
   Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can 
read the entire thread of messages.
   Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at 
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
   Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:22:50 -0600   author:   Tony Toews [MVP]

Re: Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal Server and VPN   
Client-Server ( Access-SQL Server) normally works better
over a VPN than Access/MDB FE/BE, because over most WAN
or Internet most people consider Access/MDB  FE/BE unusable.

However, I don't know anybody who has chosen to use
Access (ODBC) /SQL Server linked tables over the Internet
or over WAN when given the choice of Terminal Services:
TS has always run better. In fact, if the client is in management
and TS is not an option, a local, secret, off-the-record server
is the choice when SQL Server is supposed to be located at
the off-site IT support facility.

But I know that people read high-resolution X-Rays off-shore
(to take advantage of time-zone differences) so some people
do really have high speed Wide Area Networks: If your
network is fast enough and good enough, it doesn't matter.

(david)

"sctech via AccessMonster.com" <u44987@uwe> wrote in message 
news:880765c97374b@uwe...
> So assuming that one would want to set up a front and back end system 
> where
> the front end mdb is located at point A and the back end at point B. Where
> the internet is used as the pipeline of interconnection, what would be the
> best way to set this up?  FTP site (mapped), VPN, TS?  Assuming that you
> convert to a Client Server set up still using MS ACCESS would this help?
>
> david wrote:
>>Many people find that a VPN is too slow, much slower than Terminal
>>Services. What kind of a network is the VPN running over?
>>
>>Personally, I've never had a client that used a VPN given any choice. I
>>have used Access over a VPN for interstate support where I was
>>willing to wait 5-10 minutes for a form to open:  I've seen low-wage staff
>>using the same application with 1 minute form open times because they
>>were given no choice. (That was many years ago) It was less bad than
>>trying to use an Access application running with Anti-Virus scanning
>>across the local network, which gave 20-30 minute form open times.
>>
>>(david)
>>
>>>  Testing two methods of remote access to an MS Access backend; Terminal
>>> Server and VPN. So far VPN is ahead. Using Cisco Easy VPN client I get 
>>> an
>>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>>
>>> Are there any  "gotcha's"  awaiting me ?
>
> -- 
> Message posted via http://www.accessmonster.com
>
date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:14:05 +1000   author:   david

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