Hello there. 
I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a commandbar with 
some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object to Word 
CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing  properties :    

CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop); 
CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary 
m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize; 
m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
     
Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. The problem 
begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook I have 
hundreds of 
problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write a 
book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not show my 
adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email message.
I'm just setting these props :
m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);

Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. This works 
fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window. 
Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im setting these 
properties back :
m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);

Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word dcoumnet 
is being opened.
This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc. 
When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear in Word 
window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking HRESULT, try 
, catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick on toolbars 
and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this from my code, 
user cannot 
search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine 
CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my code. 
I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is fired and my 
code is being executed without any error.
Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David

I don't have an answer, but do note a separate potential problem with your 
code. It will act almost like a virus and annoy your users. It will make 
changes to normal.dot because you do not set a customization context other 
than normal.dot. Problems with such Add-Ins come up daily in these 
newsgroups.

-- 
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
 --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
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and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.


"David"  wrote in message 
news:A0DD5844-DD63-4C1B-B32D-A00A9A083C13@microsoft.com...
> Hello there.
> I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a commandbar with
> some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object to Word
> CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing  properties :
>
> CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
> CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop);
> CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
> CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary
> m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
> m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
> m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize;
> m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
> m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>
> Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. The 
> problem
> begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook I have
> hundreds of
> problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write a
> book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not show my
> adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email message.
> I'm just setting these props :
> m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
> m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);
>
> Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. This works
> fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window.
> Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im setting these
> properties back :
> m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
> m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);
>
> Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word dcoumnet
> is being opened.
> This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc.
> When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear in Word
> window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking HRESULT, 
> try
> , catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick on 
> toolbars
> and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this from my 
> code,
> user cannot
> search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
> If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine
> CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my code.
> I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is fired and my
> code is being executed without any error.
> Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
> Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David
>

I agree. An application that screwed around with my system like this would 
get VERY short shrift.


"Charles Kenyon"  wrote in message 
news:u6qNE%234PGHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I don't have an answer, but do note a separate potential problem with your 
>code. It will act almost like a virus and annoy your users. It will make 
>changes to normal.dot because you do not set a customization context other 
>than normal.dot. Problems with such Add-Ins come up daily in these 
>newsgroups.
>
> -- 
> Charles Kenyon
>
> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
>
> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
>
> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
> --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
>
>
> "David"  wrote in message 
> news:A0DD5844-DD63-4C1B-B32D-A00A9A083C13@microsoft.com...
>> Hello there.
>> I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a commandbar with
>> some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object to Word
>> CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing  properties :
>>
>> CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
>> CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop);
>> CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
>> CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary
>> m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
>> m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
>> m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize;
>> m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
>> m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>>
>> Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. The 
>> problem
>> begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook I have
>> hundreds of
>> problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write a
>> book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not show my
>> adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email message.
>> I'm just setting these props :
>> m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
>> m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);
>>
>> Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. This works
>> fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window.
>> Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im setting these
>> properties back :
>> m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);
>>
>> Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word dcoumnet
>> is being opened.
>> This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc.
>> When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear in Word
>> window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking HRESULT, 
>> try
>> , catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick on 
>> toolbars
>> and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this from my 
>> code,
>> user cannot
>> search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
>> If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine
>> CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my code.
>> I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is fired and 
>> my
>> code is being executed without any error.
>> Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
>> Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David
>>
>
>

Please excuse my ignorance, but I do not understand your reply.  Im not  MS 
Office/VBA programmer, may be I dont know a lot of things, Im relying on poor 
MSDN documewntation which is completely VB oriented - Im using VC++.
 Im not touching normal.dot, I have only one COM dll which contains all 
runtime code. And why Outlook srews EVERYTHIGN in MS Word functions while 
hosting it ? 
Thanks, David     

"Charles Kenyon" wrote:

> I don't have an answer, but do note a separate potential problem with your 
> code. It will act almost like a virus and annoy your users. It will make 
> changes to normal.dot because you do not set a customization context other 
> than normal.dot. Problems with such Add-Ins come up daily in these 
> newsgroups.
> 
> -- 
> Charles Kenyon
> 
> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
> 
> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
> 
> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
>  --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
> 
> 
> "David"  wrote in message 
> news:A0DD5844-DD63-4C1B-B32D-A00A9A083C13@microsoft.com...
> > Hello there.
> > I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a commandbar with
> > some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object to Word
> > CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing  properties :
> >
> > CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
> > CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop);
> > CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
> > CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary
> > m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
> > m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
> > m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize;
> > m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
> >
> > Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. The 
> > problem
> > begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook I have
> > hundreds of
> > problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write a
> > book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not show my
> > adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email message.
> > I'm just setting these props :
> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);
> >
> > Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. This works
> > fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window.
> > Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im setting these
> > properties back :
> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);
> >
> > Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word dcoumnet
> > is being opened.
> > This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc.
> > When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear in Word
> > window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking HRESULT, 
> > try
> > , catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick on 
> > toolbars
> > and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this from my 
> > code,
> > user cannot
> > search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
> > If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine
> > CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my code.
> > I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is fired and my
> > code is being executed without any error.
> > Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
> > Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David
> > 
> 
> 
>

Changes made to the user interface through code are stored in normal.dot, by 
default. That is the default "customization context." This is a 
semi-permanent change in the user interface, not always welcome, and always 
unnecessary. A separate template can hold the same customizations without 
the nastiness of altering the user's normal.dot. I would recommend that your 
code create a template in the users startup folder and mark that as the 
customization context for your code. Have your code load it as an Add-In 
when created. Have your code check for the template's presence upon starting 
and if it is present, you can skip a lot of your code (speeding up your 
processes) because any interface modifications you make with your code 
(toolbars, menus, keyboard shortcuts, AutoText) will be stored in the 
template and automatically loaded upon startup of Word.

Have the customization context for any other or additional changes you make 
set to your template. That way you don't make changes to the user's 
normal.dot. (Otherwise, good coding would clean up or eliminate these 
changes upon completion of its task. This is not easy to do. I don't know 
that Adobe has figured it out yet!) This means any uninstall utility you run 
should also delete your template.

You can have your code either save your template after you make changes 
(setting the changes to be loaded the next time your user starts Word), or 
mark your template's saved state to true. This way your user won't be 
prompted about saving changes to your template when they attempt to quit 
Word.
-- 
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
 --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.


"David"  wrote in message 
news:57CB7482-C685-4DBC-87FB-4F785C380216@microsoft.com...
> Please excuse my ignorance, but I do not understand your reply.  Im not 
> MS
> Office/VBA programmer, may be I dont know a lot of things, Im relying on 
> poor
> MSDN documewntation which is completely VB oriented - Im using VC++.
> Im not touching normal.dot, I have only one COM dll which contains all
> runtime code. And why Outlook srews EVERYTHIGN in MS Word functions while
> hosting it ?
> Thanks, David
>
> "Charles Kenyon" wrote:
>
>> I don't have an answer, but do note a separate potential problem with 
>> your
>> code. It will act almost like a virus and annoy your users. It will make
>> changes to normal.dot because you do not set a customization context 
>> other
>> than normal.dot. Problems with such Add-Ins come up daily in these
>> newsgroups.
>>
>> -- 
>> Charles Kenyon
>>
>> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
>>
>> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
>> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
>>
>> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
>>  --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
>> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
>> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
>> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
>>
>>
>> "David"  wrote in message
>> news:A0DD5844-DD63-4C1B-B32D-A00A9A083C13@microsoft.com...
>> > Hello there.
>> > I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a commandbar 
>> > with
>> > some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object to 
>> > Word
>> > CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing  properties :
>> >
>> > CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
>> > CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop);
>> > CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
>> > CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary
>> > m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
>> > m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
>> > m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize;
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >
>> > Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. The
>> > problem
>> > begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook I 
>> > have
>> > hundreds of
>> > problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write a
>> > book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not show my
>> > adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email message.
>> > I'm just setting these props :
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);
>> >
>> > Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. This 
>> > works
>> > fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window.
>> > Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im setting 
>> > these
>> > properties back :
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >
>> > Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word dcoumnet
>> > is being opened.
>> > This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc.
>> > When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear in 
>> > Word
>> > window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking 
>> > HRESULT,
>> > try
>> > , catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick on
>> > toolbars
>> > and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this from my
>> > code,
>> > user cannot
>> > search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
>> > If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine
>> > CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my code.
>> > I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is fired and 
>> > my
>> > code is being executed without any error.
>> > Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
>> > Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Proclaiming your ignorance is laudable. (It's Socrates' main claim to fame, 
at that.) But given your admitted ignorance, stay out of this area of 
programming entirely. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.





"David"  wrote in message 
news:57CB7482-C685-4DBC-87FB-4F785C380216@microsoft.com...
> Please excuse my ignorance, but I do not understand your reply.  Im not 
> MS
> Office/VBA programmer, may be I dont know a lot of things, Im relying on 
> poor
> MSDN documewntation which is completely VB oriented - Im using VC++.
> Im not touching normal.dot, I have only one COM dll which contains all
> runtime code. And why Outlook srews EVERYTHIGN in MS Word functions while
> hosting it ?
> Thanks, David
>
> "Charles Kenyon" wrote:
>
>> I don't have an answer, but do note a separate potential problem with 
>> your
>> code. It will act almost like a virus and annoy your users. It will make
>> changes to normal.dot because you do not set a customization context 
>> other
>> than normal.dot. Problems with such Add-Ins come up daily in these
>> newsgroups.
>>
>> -- 
>> Charles Kenyon
>>
>> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
>>
>> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
>> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
>>
>> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
>>  --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
>> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
>> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
>> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
>>
>>
>> "David"  wrote in message
>> news:A0DD5844-DD63-4C1B-B32D-A00A9A083C13@microsoft.com...
>> > Hello there.
>> > I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a commandbar 
>> > with
>> > some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object to 
>> > Word
>> > CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing  properties :
>> >
>> > CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
>> > CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop);
>> > CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
>> > CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary
>> > m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
>> > m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
>> > m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize;
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >
>> > Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. The
>> > problem
>> > begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook I 
>> > have
>> > hundreds of
>> > problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write a
>> > book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not show my
>> > adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email message.
>> > I'm just setting these props :
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);
>> >
>> > Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. This 
>> > works
>> > fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window.
>> > Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im setting 
>> > these
>> > properties back :
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >
>> > Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word dcoumnet
>> > is being opened.
>> > This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc.
>> > When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear in 
>> > Word
>> > window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking 
>> > HRESULT,
>> > try
>> > , catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick on
>> > toolbars
>> > and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this from my
>> > code,
>> > user cannot
>> > search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
>> > If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine
>> > CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my code.
>> > I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is fired and 
>> > my
>> > code is being executed without any error.
>> > Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
>> > Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Well OK, thanks for very useful inputs. Specially explaining Outlook/Word 
interaction. 
  

"Jezebel" wrote:

> Proclaiming your ignorance is laudable. (It's Socrates' main claim to fame, 
> at that.) But given your admitted ignorance, stay out of this area of 
> programming entirely. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "David"  wrote in message 
> news:57CB7482-C685-4DBC-87FB-4F785C380216@microsoft.com...
> > Please excuse my ignorance, but I do not understand your reply.  Im not 
> > MS
> > Office/VBA programmer, may be I dont know a lot of things, Im relying on 
> > poor
> > MSDN documewntation which is completely VB oriented - Im using VC++.
> > Im not touching normal.dot, I have only one COM dll which contains all
> > runtime code. And why Outlook srews EVERYTHIGN in MS Word functions while
> > hosting it ?
> > Thanks, David
> >
> > "Charles Kenyon" wrote:
> >
> >> I don't have an answer, but do note a separate potential problem with 
> >> your
> >> code. It will act almost like a virus and annoy your users. It will make
> >> changes to normal.dot because you do not set a customization context 
> >> other
> >> than normal.dot. Problems with such Add-Ins come up daily in these
> >> newsgroups.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Charles Kenyon
> >>
> >> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
> >>
> >> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
> >> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
> >>
> >> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
> >>  --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> >> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
> >> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
> >> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
> >>
> >>
> >> "David"  wrote in message
> >> news:A0DD5844-DD63-4C1B-B32D-A00A9A083C13@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hello there.
> >> > I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a commandbar 
> >> > with
> >> > some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object to 
> >> > Word
> >> > CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing  properties :
> >> >
> >> > CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
> >> > CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop);
> >> > CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
> >> > CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary
> >> > m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
> >> > m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
> >> > m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize;
> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
> >> >
> >> > Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. The
> >> > problem
> >> > begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook I 
> >> > have
> >> > hundreds of
> >> > problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write a
> >> > book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not show my
> >> > adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email message.
> >> > I'm just setting these props :
> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);
> >> >
> >> > Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. This 
> >> > works
> >> > fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window.
> >> > Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im setting 
> >> > these
> >> > properties back :
> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);
> >> >
> >> > Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word dcoumnet
> >> > is being opened.
> >> > This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc.
> >> > When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear in 
> >> > Word
> >> > window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking 
> >> > HRESULT,
> >> > try
> >> > , catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick on
> >> > toolbars
> >> > and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this from my
> >> > code,
> >> > user cannot
> >> > search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
> >> > If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine
> >> > CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my code.
> >> > I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is fired and 
> >> > my
> >> > code is being executed without any error.
> >> > Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
> >> > Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> 
> 
>

Sorry, but _my_ ignorance is showing here. All I know about the Word Outlook 
interface is to not use Word as my Outlook email editor and that if I were 
to try to merge Outlook contact data into Word, I would start from Outlook.

I suspect that if you put Outlook in your posting subject you might get more 
knowledgeable answers. http://www.mvps.org/word/FindHelp/Posting.htm Jezebel 
have given what help we could, but she may not know that much more about the 
Outlook problems than do I. The problems we have pointed out are much more 
important for you, though, even though your questions may not have been 
answered.

Before you try programming Word, you need to learn it, comprehensively. 
People can afford to waste a bit of their own time recording macros and 
learning code, because in the long term, this can save them time. However, 
if you are writing code for others to use, you are going to be wasting their 
time and causing them trouble unless you know what you are doing. You will 
end up making them angry; hopefully, their anger will be directed at you 
rather than at using computers.

Please do not take this personally. I am sure you are a very good 
programmer, but Word is an incredibly rich and complex environment in which 
to be programming. In some ways it is like being a very good Boy Scout
plopped down in the middle of a dark powerless explosives factory in a war 
zone. He's cold and it is dark. The Boy Scout knows how to light a fire but 
doesn't know about the explosives ... The first question is whether a fire 
is a good idea, but the Boy Scout doesn't know that this is the first 
question because no one told him about the explosives. That is overly 
dramatic, but the idea is that if you don't know the Word object model 
before you start programming it for others, you have no idea what problems 
your code could cause or what short cuts are already built-in. If you don't 
do this, it should cost you and your supervisor your jobs! This is the sort 
of situation where time spent learning will be repaid exponentially; code 
written absent the learning will be a black hole that will suck up your time 
and that of your users.

I pointed out a couple of problems I saw, in areas that I do know something 
about, but I can't guess what other bombs you may be building and right now, 
I'm not sure you know enough to know what questions to ask.

People here will be glad to share their experience with you and help you, 
but they can't do your job for you.
-- 
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
 --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.



"David"  wrote in message 
news:4E122DC3-5498-4461-8DB7-BA15432819F6@microsoft.com...
> Well OK, thanks for very useful inputs. Specially explaining Outlook/Word
> interaction.
>
>
> "Jezebel" wrote:
>
>> Proclaiming your ignorance is laudable. (It's Socrates' main claim to 
>> fame,
>> at that.) But given your admitted ignorance, stay out of this area of
>> programming entirely. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "David"  wrote in message
>> news:57CB7482-C685-4DBC-87FB-4F785C380216@microsoft.com...
>> > Please excuse my ignorance, but I do not understand your reply.  Im not
>> > MS
>> > Office/VBA programmer, may be I dont know a lot of things, Im relying 
>> > on
>> > poor
>> > MSDN documewntation which is completely VB oriented - Im using VC++.
>> > Im not touching normal.dot, I have only one COM dll which contains all
>> > runtime code. And why Outlook srews EVERYTHIGN in MS Word functions 
>> > while
>> > hosting it ?
>> > Thanks, David
>> >
>> > "Charles Kenyon" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't have an answer, but do note a separate potential problem with
>> >> your
>> >> code. It will act almost like a virus and annoy your users. It will 
>> >> make
>> >> changes to normal.dot because you do not set a customization context
>> >> other
>> >> than normal.dot. Problems with such Add-Ins come up daily in these
>> >> newsgroups.
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> Charles Kenyon
>> >>
>> >> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
>> >>
>> >> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
>> >> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
>> >>
>> >> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
>> >>  --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
>> >> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
>> >> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
>> >> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "David"  wrote in message
>> >> news:A0DD5844-DD63-4C1B-B32D-A00A9A083C13@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hello there.
>> >> > I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a commandbar
>> >> > with
>> >> > some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object to
>> >> > Word
>> >> > CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing  properties 
>> >> > :
>> >> >
>> >> > CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
>> >> > CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop);
>> >> > CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
>> >> > CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary
>> >> > m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
>> >> > m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
>> >> > m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize;
>> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
>> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >> >
>> >> > Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. The
>> >> > problem
>> >> > begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook I
>> >> > have
>> >> > hundreds of
>> >> > problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write a
>> >> > book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not show 
>> >> > my
>> >> > adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email message.
>> >> > I'm just setting these props :
>> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
>> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);
>> >> >
>> >> > Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. This
>> >> > works
>> >> > fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window.
>> >> > Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im setting
>> >> > these
>> >> > properties back :
>> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >> >
>> >> > Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word dcoumnet
>> >> > is being opened.
>> >> > This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc.
>> >> > When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear in
>> >> > Word
>> >> > window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking
>> >> > HRESULT,
>> >> > try
>> >> > , catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick on
>> >> > toolbars
>> >> > and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this from 
>> >> > my
>> >> > code,
>> >> > user cannot
>> >> > search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
>> >> > If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine
>> >> > CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my 
>> >> > code.
>> >> > I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is fired 
>> >> > and
>> >> > my
>> >> > code is being executed without any error.
>> >> > Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
>> >> > Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Hello again, thank you for lengthy and imaginative post! 
And lets drop this useless discussion who is good or bad programmer here, I 
do respect and appreciate all the people who try to really HELP and not just 
preach. I'm more OS low level engineer, mostly C/C++, COM etc, I do not have 
a lot of VBA/MS Office programming experience.   
It seems that my original post was not stated clear enough, I will try to be 
more clear now.
I had to create Word addin which actually performs some GDI operations in 
the Word document, namely I'm drawing on Word DC; already here I'm violating  
Word/Office Object model as I'm actually hacking and tweaking it - but this 
is what I'm exactly have to do. Alongside with this I'm adding some shapes 
and text in to Word document - all this works just fine. Moreover my addin is 
multithreaded, which also somehow contradicts Word/VBA threading style. What 
I'm trying to say is that I have quite unusual application - well life is not 
easy.
I also have GUI: CommandBar with some controls - and that worked fine, both 
in Office XP ,2000 and 2003. 
May be I lack some or a lot of knowledge in MS Office programming  but I'm 
working on very tight schedule and I succeeded to resolve almost all 
problems. Anyway, everything works fine in Word, by the way I never had any 
problem with Normal. dot template , never screwed it up to any user and I 
have quite a lot of user actually working with may addin. I guess that your 
suggestions redesigning "customization context"  is correct. But lets leave 
this issue for the moment. 
The root of the problem is that I'm using Word objects events ( like 
OnDocumentBeforeClose and OnWindowActivate etc) to get data from Word objects 
as I have to perform some calculations. I don’t know if there is any other 
way to get notification from Word ( beside setting some hooks on Word windows 
and system events) that user, for instance have switched between two Word 
documents or use wants to save a document. So I tried to be more VB oriented 
and get connected to theses events - and they work fine I got all events, I 
got all data and Word behaves as I would expect. The problem starts with 
Outlook hosting Word as email editor,  at this point Word starts to behave in 
very odd way. Some events are not fired as expected, Word loading process is 
changed as it is hosted as Active Document in Outlook, Specially I have a 
problem with OnDocumentBeforeClose event. If Word document is hosted in 
Outlook message this event sometimes is fired without any user interaction 
and second parameter 
: OnDocumentBeforeClose(IDispatch * /*[in] Document* Doc*/ Doc ,VARIANT_BOOL 
* CancelDefault) is set to VARAINT_TRUE , this have a very bad consequence to 
my application. I'm giving here just a small example of vast range of 
problems in Word/Outlook interaction. I tried to solve these problem however 
there is almost no explanation about Outlook/Word operation, I tried MSDN, 
Google, newsgroups etc, nothing really useful. I cannot afford spending weeks 
to investigate this issues almost without any information. That’s how I get 
to this ugly solution : to hide my CommandBar while working in email message 
item and show it while working in "regular" Word document. Even this solution 
works quite well besides the only case when Outlook message is opened before 
any "regular" Word document - I won't repeat my previous explanation. Hope 
now you have more complete picture and will have more input regarding my 
problem or you can direct me to correct people or forums. Thank you again, 
David. 



"Charles Kenyon" wrote:

> Sorry, but _my_ ignorance is showing here. All I know about the Word Outlook 
> interface is to not use Word as my Outlook email editor and that if I were 
> to try to merge Outlook contact data into Word, I would start from Outlook.
> 
> I suspect that if you put Outlook in your posting subject you might get more 
> knowledgeable answers. http://www.mvps.org/word/FindHelp/Posting.htm Jezebel 
> have given what help we could, but she may not know that much more about the 
> Outlook problems than do I. The problems we have pointed out are much more 
> important for you, though, even though your questions may not have been 
> answered.
> 
> Before you try programming Word, you need to learn it, comprehensively. 
> People can afford to waste a bit of their own time recording macros and 
> learning code, because in the long term, this can save them time. However, 
> if you are writing code for others to use, you are going to be wasting their 
> time and causing them trouble unless you know what you are doing. You will 
> end up making them angry; hopefully, their anger will be directed at you 
> rather than at using computers.
> 
> Please do not take this personally. I am sure you are a very good 
> programmer, but Word is an incredibly rich and complex environment in which 
> to be programming. In some ways it is like being a very good Boy Scout
> plopped down in the middle of a dark powerless explosives factory in a war 
> zone. He's cold and it is dark. The Boy Scout knows how to light a fire but 
> doesn't know about the explosives ... The first question is whether a fire 
> is a good idea, but the Boy Scout doesn't know that this is the first 
> question because no one told him about the explosives. That is overly 
> dramatic, but the idea is that if you don't know the Word object model 
> before you start programming it for others, you have no idea what problems 
> your code could cause or what short cuts are already built-in. If you don't 
> do this, it should cost you and your supervisor your jobs! This is the sort 
> of situation where time spent learning will be repaid exponentially; code 
> written absent the learning will be a black hole that will suck up your time 
> and that of your users.
> 
> I pointed out a couple of problems I saw, in areas that I do know something 
> about, but I can't guess what other bombs you may be building and right now, 
> I'm not sure you know enough to know what questions to ask.
> 
> People here will be glad to share their experience with you and help you, 
> but they can't do your job for you.
> -- 
> Charles Kenyon
> 
> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
> 
> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
> 
> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
>  --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
> 
> 
> 
> "David"  wrote in message 
> news:4E122DC3-5498-4461-8DB7-BA15432819F6@microsoft.com...
> > Well OK, thanks for very useful inputs. Specially explaining Outlook/Word
> > interaction.
> >
> >
> > "Jezebel" wrote:
> >
> >> Proclaiming your ignorance is laudable. (It's Socrates' main claim to 
> >> fame,
> >> at that.) But given your admitted ignorance, stay out of this area of
> >> programming entirely. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "David"  wrote in message
> >> news:57CB7482-C685-4DBC-87FB-4F785C380216@microsoft.com...
> >> > Please excuse my ignorance, but I do not understand your reply.  Im not
> >> > MS
> >> > Office/VBA programmer, may be I dont know a lot of things, Im relying 
> >> > on
> >> > poor
> >> > MSDN documewntation which is completely VB oriented - Im using VC++.
> >> > Im not touching normal.dot, I have only one COM dll which contains all
> >> > runtime code. And why Outlook srews EVERYTHIGN in MS Word functions 
> >> > while
> >> > hosting it ?
> >> > Thanks, David
> >> >
> >> > "Charles Kenyon" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I don't have an answer, but do note a separate potential problem with
> >> >> your
> >> >> code. It will act almost like a virus and annoy your users. It will 
> >> >> make
> >> >> changes to normal.dot because you do not set a customization context
> >> >> other
> >> >> than normal.dot. Problems with such Add-Ins come up daily in these
> >> >> newsgroups.
> >> >>
> >> >> -- 
> >> >> Charles Kenyon
> >> >>
> >> >> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
> >> >>
> >> >> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
> >> >> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
> >> >>
> >> >> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
> >> >>  --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> >> >> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
> >> >> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
> >> >> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "David"  wrote in message
> >> >> news:A0DD5844-DD63-4C1B-B32D-A00A9A083C13@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hello there.
> >> >> > I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a commandbar
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object to
> >> >> > Word
> >> >> > CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing  properties 
> >> >> > :
> >> >> >
> >> >> > CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
> >> >> > CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop);
> >> >> > CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
> >> >> > CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary
> >> >> > m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize;
> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. The
> >> >> > problem
> >> >> > begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > hundreds of
> >> >> > problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write a
> >> >> > book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not show 
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email message.
> >> >> > I'm just setting these props :
> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. This
> >> >> > works
> >> >> > fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window.
> >> >> > Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im setting
> >> >> > these
> >> >> > properties back :
> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word dcoumnet
> >> >> > is being opened.
> >> >> > This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc.
> >> >> > When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear in
> >> >> > Word
> >> >> > window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking
> >> >> > HRESULT,
> >> >> > try
> >> >> > , catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick on
> >> >> > toolbars
> >> >> > and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this from 
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > code,
> >> >> > user cannot
> >> >> > search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
> >> >> > If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine
> >> >> > CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my 
> >> >> > code.
> >> >> > I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is fired 
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > code is being executed without any error.
> >> >> > Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
> >> >> > Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> 
> 
>

David,

> Outlook hosting Word as email editor,  at this point Word starts to behave 
> in
> very odd way. Some events are not fired as expected, Word loading process 
> is
> changed as it is hosted as Active Document in Outlook, Specially I have a
> problem with OnDocumentBeforeClose event. If Word document is hosted in
> Outlook message this event sometimes is fired without any user interaction
> and second parameter
> : OnDocumentBeforeClose(IDispatch * /*[in] Document* Doc*/ Doc 
> ,VARIANT_BOOL
> * CancelDefault) is set to VARAINT_TRUE , this have a very bad consequence 
> to
> my application. I'm giving here just a small example of vast range of
> problems in Word/Outlook interaction. I tried to solve these problem 
> however
> there is almost no explanation about Outlook/Word operation, I tried MSDN,
> Google, newsgroups etc, nothing really useful. I cannot afford spending 
> weeks
> to investigate this issues almost without any information. That's how I 
> get
> to this ugly solution : to hide my CommandBar while working in email 
> message
> item and show it while working in "regular" Word document. Even this 
> solution
> works quite well besides the only case when Outlook message is opened 
> before
> any "regular" Word document - I won't repeat my previous explanation. Hope

I've told you that I have no experience in this area; my knowledge is 
limited to advising individuals to avoid using Word as their email editor 
because it causes problems. Please read the posting suggestions. With a 
topic "n Word" you are not going to find people who know how Outlook and 
Word interact reading your post. These newsgroups are very busy and the 
people responding are volunteers, other users. They pick which topics to 
read and respond to by looking at the subject headings. 
http://www.mvps.org/word/FindHelp/Posting.htm

You need to cross-post in an Outlook programming newsgroup as well. Note, 
cross-post, not multi-post. One message with both newsgroups in the header, 
not the same post to both newsgroups. I don't know that this can be done 
through the web interface.

Post specific code and error messages. One area or problem at a time.

> I had to create Word addin which actually performs some GDI operations in
> the Word document, namely I'm drawing on Word DC; already here I'm 
> violating
> Word/Office Object model as I'm actually hacking and tweaking it - but 
> this
> is what I'm exactly have to do. Alongside with this I'm adding some shapes
> and text in to Word document - all this works just fine. Moreover my addin 
> is
> multithreaded, which also somehow contradicts Word/VBA threading style. 
> What
> I'm trying to say is that I have quite unusual application - well life is 
> not
> easy.

AFAIK this is in no way unusual. VBA is intended and designed to let the 
user or developer change or tweak the UI, to add shapes or text to a Word 
document or the other things you are doing. Multi-threading is beyond my 
experience but I doubt that it is stretching what is intended. But if you 
learned Word, you would learn that it has built-in tools for adding shapes 
or text such as AutoText. Instead, it seems that you are trying to recreate 
these.

> Google, newsgroups etc, nothing really useful. I cannot afford spending 
> weeks
> to investigate this issues almost without any information. That's how I 
> get

I'm sorry that you don't have enough time. You have the same amount everyone 
else has, though. It may be that you have not been given or alloted enough 
time to do an adequate job on this project. The time of the volunteers on 
these newsgroups is also valuable. Please let us help you by providing 
specifics.

You've said that your application works fine so long as Outlook is not 
involved. A simple thing to do may be to check whether Outlook is involved 
and if it is, ask your user to switch it off. However, if you are changing 
the UI and not specifying customization context, you are mucking around with 
your user's normal.dot, you just don't know it. Your application is not 
working fine even without Outlook. You are playing with explosives and have 
been lucky so far. If nothing else, do read up on customization context. 
This won't take that much time and in the long run will save you and your 
users a lot of time.

I again recommend starting a new post, cross-posted, following the posting 
guidelines, with a useful subject heading. I can't give you more assistance; 
I doubt Jezebel cares to respond further. Given the length of this thread 
and that no one with knowledge of the Word/Outlook interaction has 
responded, providing more information in this thread is not likely to lead 
to the help you need, and could get. Again, "n Word" just doesn't draw the 
help you need.

-- 
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
 --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.





"David"  wrote in message 
news:A0366C8B-B746-42B3-8AC2-6806FC8F0C91@microsoft.com...
> Hello again, thank you for lengthy and imaginative post!
> And lets drop this useless discussion who is good or bad programmer here, 
> I
> do respect and appreciate all the people who try to really HELP and not 
> just
> preach. I'm more OS low level engineer, mostly C/C++, COM etc, I do not 
> have
> a lot of VBA/MS Office programming experience.
> It seems that my original post was not stated clear enough, I will try to 
> be
> more clear now.
> I had to create Word addin which actually performs some GDI operations in
> the Word document, namely I'm drawing on Word DC; already here I'm 
> violating
> Word/Office Object model as I'm actually hacking and tweaking it - but 
> this
> is what I'm exactly have to do. Alongside with this I'm adding some shapes
> and text in to Word document - all this works just fine. Moreover my addin 
> is
> multithreaded, which also somehow contradicts Word/VBA threading style. 
> What
> I'm trying to say is that I have quite unusual application - well life is 
> not
> easy.
> I also have GUI: CommandBar with some controls - and that worked fine, 
> both
> in Office XP ,2000 and 2003.
> May be I lack some or a lot of knowledge in MS Office programming  but I'm
> working on very tight schedule and I succeeded to resolve almost all
> problems. Anyway, everything works fine in Word, by the way I never had 
> any
> problem with Normal. dot template , never screwed it up to any user and I
> have quite a lot of user actually working with may addin. I guess that 
> your
> suggestions redesigning "customization context"  is correct. But lets 
> leave
> this issue for the moment.
> The root of the problem is that I'm using Word objects events ( like
> OnDocumentBeforeClose and OnWindowActivate etc) to get data from Word 
> objects
> as I have to perform some calculations. I don't know if there is any other
> way to get notification from Word ( beside setting some hooks on Word 
> windows
> and system events) that user, for instance have switched between two Word
> documents or use wants to save a document. So I tried to be more VB 
> oriented
> and get connected to theses events - and they work fine I got all events, 
> I
> got all data and Word behaves as I would expect. The problem starts with
> Outlook hosting Word as email editor,  at this point Word starts to behave 
> in
> very odd way. Some events are not fired as expected, Word loading process 
> is
> changed as it is hosted as Active Document in Outlook, Specially I have a
> problem with OnDocumentBeforeClose event. If Word document is hosted in
> Outlook message this event sometimes is fired without any user interaction
> and second parameter
> : OnDocumentBeforeClose(IDispatch * /*[in] Document* Doc*/ Doc 
> ,VARIANT_BOOL
> * CancelDefault) is set to VARAINT_TRUE , this have a very bad consequence 
> to
> my application. I'm giving here just a small example of vast range of
> problems in Word/Outlook interaction. I tried to solve these problem 
> however
> there is almost no explanation about Outlook/Word operation, I tried MSDN,
> Google, newsgroups etc, nothing really useful. I cannot afford spending 
> weeks
> to investigate this issues almost without any information. That's how I 
> get
> to this ugly solution : to hide my CommandBar while working in email 
> message
> item and show it while working in "regular" Word document. Even this 
> solution
> works quite well besides the only case when Outlook message is opened 
> before
> any "regular" Word document - I won't repeat my previous explanation. Hope
> now you have more complete picture and will have more input regarding my
> problem or you can direct me to correct people or forums. Thank you again,
> David.
>
>
>
> "Charles Kenyon" wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but _my_ ignorance is showing here. All I know about the Word 
>> Outlook
>> interface is to not use Word as my Outlook email editor and that if I 
>> were
>> to try to merge Outlook contact data into Word, I would start from 
>> Outlook.
>>
>> I suspect that if you put Outlook in your posting subject you might get 
>> more
>> knowledgeable answers. http://www.mvps.org/word/FindHelp/Posting.htm 
>> Jezebel
>> have given what help we could, but she may not know that much more about 
>> the
>> Outlook problems than do I. The problems we have pointed out are much 
>> more
>> important for you, though, even though your questions may not have been
>> answered.
>>
>> Before you try programming Word, you need to learn it, comprehensively.
>> People can afford to waste a bit of their own time recording macros and
>> learning code, because in the long term, this can save them time. 
>> However,
>> if you are writing code for others to use, you are going to be wasting 
>> their
>> time and causing them trouble unless you know what you are doing. You 
>> will
>> end up making them angry; hopefully, their anger will be directed at you
>> rather than at using computers.
>>
>> Please do not take this personally. I am sure you are a very good
>> programmer, but Word is an incredibly rich and complex environment in 
>> which
>> to be programming. In some ways it is like being a very good Boy Scout
>> plopped down in the middle of a dark powerless explosives factory in a 
>> war
>> zone. He's cold and it is dark. The Boy Scout knows how to light a fire 
>> but
>> doesn't know about the explosives ... The first question is whether a 
>> fire
>> is a good idea, but the Boy Scout doesn't know that this is the first
>> question because no one told him about the explosives. That is overly
>> dramatic, but the idea is that if you don't know the Word object model
>> before you start programming it for others, you have no idea what 
>> problems
>> your code could cause or what short cuts are already built-in. If you 
>> don't
>> do this, it should cost you and your supervisor your jobs! This is the 
>> sort
>> of situation where time spent learning will be repaid exponentially; code
>> written absent the learning will be a black hole that will suck up your 
>> time
>> and that of your users.
>>
>> I pointed out a couple of problems I saw, in areas that I do know 
>> something
>> about, but I can't guess what other bombs you may be building and right 
>> now,
>> I'm not sure you know enough to know what questions to ask.
>>
>> People here will be glad to share their experience with you and help you,
>> but they can't do your job for you.
>> -- 
>> Charles Kenyon
>>
>> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
>>
>> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
>> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
>>
>> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
>>  --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
>> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
>> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
>> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
>>
>>
>>
>> "David"  wrote in message
>> news:4E122DC3-5498-4461-8DB7-BA15432819F6@microsoft.com...
>> > Well OK, thanks for very useful inputs. Specially explaining 
>> > Outlook/Word
>> > interaction.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jezebel" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Proclaiming your ignorance is laudable. (It's Socrates' main claim to
>> >> fame,
>> >> at that.) But given your admitted ignorance, stay out of this area of
>> >> programming entirely. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "David"  wrote in message
>> >> news:57CB7482-C685-4DBC-87FB-4F785C380216@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Please excuse my ignorance, but I do not understand your reply.  Im 
>> >> > not
>> >> > MS
>> >> > Office/VBA programmer, may be I dont know a lot of things, Im 
>> >> > relying
>> >> > on
>> >> > poor
>> >> > MSDN documewntation which is completely VB oriented - Im using VC++.
>> >> > Im not touching normal.dot, I have only one COM dll which contains 
>> >> > all
>> >> > runtime code. And why Outlook srews EVERYTHIGN in MS Word functions
>> >> > while
>> >> > hosting it ?
>> >> > Thanks, David
>> >> >
>> >> > "Charles Kenyon" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I don't have an answer, but do note a separate potential problem 
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> code. It will act almost like a virus and annoy your users. It will
>> >> >> make
>> >> >> changes to normal.dot because you do not set a customization 
>> >> >> context
>> >> >> other
>> >> >> than normal.dot. Problems with such Add-Ins come up daily in these
>> >> >> newsgroups.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- 
>> >> >> Charles Kenyon
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version 
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
>> >> >>
>> >> >> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
>> >> >>  --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
>> >> >> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
>> >> >> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
>> >> >> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "David"  wrote in message
>> >> >> news:A0DD5844-DD63-4C1B-B32D-A00A9A083C13@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Hello there.
>> >> >> > I have a COM addin  (ATL7, C++) for MS Word. My GUI is a 
>> >> >> > commandbar
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > some buttons and combo boxes on it. I'm, adding CommandBar object 
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > Word
>> >> >> > CommandBars collection - usual way. I'm setting folowing 
>> >> >> > properties
>> >> >> > :
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > CComVariant vtName(_T("MY_COMMANDBAR_NAME"));
>> >> >> > CComVariant vtPos(msoBarLeft|msoBarTop);
>> >> >> > CComVariant vtEmpty(DISP_E_PARAMNOTFOUND, VT_ERROR);
>> >> >> > CComVariant vtTemp(VARIANT_TRUE); // is temporary
>> >> >> > m_OCmdBar = m_OCmdBars ->Add(vtName,vtPos, vtEmpty, vtTemp);
>> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->get_Protection(&m_barProtect);
>> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->Protection = msoBarNoCustomize;
>> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_NameLocal(_bstr_t("My  Commad Bar"));
>> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Eevrything works fine: command bar is displayed and operational. 
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > problem
>> >> >> > begins with Outlook; if Word is a default email editor in Outlook 
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > hundreds of
>> >> >> > problems operating my addin (this is diffrernt story I can write 
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > book about this mess), therefore I decide to disable and do not 
>> >> >> > show
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > adddin toolbar while documnet container is an Outlook email 
>> >> >> > message.
>> >> >> > I'm just setting these props :
>> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_FALSE);
>> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_FALSE);
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Im doing this each time while handling OnDocumentChange event. 
>> >> >> > This
>> >> >> > works
>> >> >> > fine in Outlook, addin bar "disappears" in message window.
>> >> >> > Each time Im checking if currrent document is not email Im 
>> >> >> > setting
>> >> >> > these
>> >> >> > properties back :
>> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Visible(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >> >> > m_OCmdBar->put_Enabled(VARIANT_TRUE);
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Problem happens ONLY when using Outlook BFFORE regular Word 
>> >> >> > dcoumnet
>> >> >> > is being opened.
>> >> >> > This code doesnot work properly if Outlook hosts Word doc.
>> >> >> > When Im opening regular Word document CommandBar does not appear 
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > Word
>> >> >> > window, despite Visiible = true code execution !!! , Im checking
>> >> >> > HRESULT,
>> >> >> > try
>> >> >> > , catch , nothing fails!  However, It is possible to rightclick 
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > toolbars
>> >> >> > and select my CommandBar and display it , BUT I HAVE TO DO this 
>> >> >> > from
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > code,
>> >> >> > user cannot
>> >> >> > search for the command bar each time it disappaears.
>> >> >> > If I open Word BEFORE, and then use Outlook evrything works fine
>> >> >> > CommandBar is visible /invisible as it should be according to my
>> >> >> > code.
>> >> >> > I would like to stress in all cases OnDocumentChange event is 
>> >> >> > fired
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > code is being executed without any error.
>> >> >> > Pleas help!!! What can I do with Outlook? Any workaround ?
>> >> >> > Hope I was clear enough describing this problem, thanks, David
>> >> >> >
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