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date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:30:01 -0400,    group: microsoft.public.word.tables        back       


fields and underlines   
I have spent a lot of the morning researching and playing with a form 
and can't find the answer.
I want to have a line similar to
NAME: __________________________________________
with the underline at a fixed length when printed.
On the underline I want a field that can be of varying length (but not 
longer than the underline.
I can get the fixed length underline and I can get the filed but I can 
find no way to get both.
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:30:01 -0400   author:   j lunis

Re: fields and underlines   
j lunis wrote:
> I have spent a lot of the morning researching and playing with a form
> and can't find the answer.
> I want to have a line similar to
> NAME: __________________________________________
> with the underline at a fixed length when printed.
> On the underline I want a field that can be of varying length (but not
> longer than the underline.
> I can get the fixed length underline and I can get the filed but I can
> find no way to get both.

See http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/LinesInForms.htm

-- 
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP        FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so 
all may benefit.
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:34:27 -0400   author:   Jay Freedman

Re: fields and underlines   
Hi j lunis,

Simple: Add a right-aligned tab after the field, with the tab-stop positioned wherever you want the underlining to stop, then 
underline both the tab and the field.

-- 
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


"j lunis"  wrote in message news:%23riPBph$IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I have spent a lot of the morning researching and playing with a form and can't find the answer.
> I want to have a line similar to
> NAME: __________________________________________
> with the underline at a fixed length when printed.
> On the underline I want a field that can be of varying length (but not longer than the underline.
> I can get the fixed length underline and I can get the filed but I can find no way to get both.
date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:37:20 +1000   author:   macropod lid

Re: fields and underlines   
Jay Freedman wrote:
> j lunis wrote:
>> I have spent a lot of the morning researching and playing with a form
>> and can't find the answer.
>> I want to have a line similar to
>> NAME: __________________________________________
>> with the underline at a fixed length when printed.
>> On the underline I want a field that can be of varying length (but not
>> longer than the underline.
>> I can get the fixed length underline and I can get the filed but I can
>> find no way to get both.
> 
> See http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/LinesInForms.htm
> 
Very good.  Thanks to you and macropod.  One hurdle.  The instructions 
state "the width can be adjusted by dragging the paragraph's left and/or 
right indent markers."  Using my example above, moving the indent marker 
results in the whole line moving, thus
NAME: _______________________________________	becomes
	NAME: __________________________________________
the 'name' text moves along with the indent.  What am I missing?
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:11:19 -0400   author:   j lunis

Re: fields and underlines   
j lunis wrote:
> Jay Freedman wrote:
>> j lunis wrote:
>>> I have spent a lot of the morning researching and playing with a
>>> form and can't find the answer.
>>> I want to have a line similar to
>>> NAME: __________________________________________
>>> with the underline at a fixed length when printed.
>>> On the underline I want a field that can be of varying length (but
>>> not longer than the underline.
>>> I can get the fixed length underline and I can get the filed but I
>>> can find no way to get both.
>>
>> See http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/LinesInForms.htm
>>
> Very good.  Thanks to you and macropod.  One hurdle.  The instructions
> state "the width can be adjusted by dragging the paragraph's left
> and/or right indent markers."  Using my example above, moving the
> indent marker results in the whole line moving, thus
> NAME: _______________________________________ becomes
> NAME: __________________________________________
> the 'name' text moves along with the indent.  What am I missing?

The comment about the indent markers applies only to lines created with 
paragraph borders, not to any other kind of line. If you have any text 
before or after the line, you obviously aren't using a paragraph border.

The article describes four other methods of making lines. I'll guess that 
you used method 4 or 5, involving tabs. In that case, adjust the line length 
by moving the tab stop markers on the ruler.

-- 
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP        FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so 
all may benefit.
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:53:53 -0400   author:   Jay Freedman

Re: fields and underlines   
Jay Freedman wrote:
> j lunis wrote:
>> Jay Freedman wrote:
>>> j lunis wrote:
>>>> I have spent a lot of the morning researching and playing with a
>>>> form and can't find the answer.
>>>> I want to have a line similar to
>>>> NAME: __________________________________________
>>>> with the underline at a fixed length when printed.
>>>> On the underline I want a field that can be of varying length (but
>>>> not longer than the underline.
>>>> I can get the fixed length underline and I can get the filed but I
>>>> can find no way to get both.
>>> See http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/LinesInForms.htm
>>>
>> Very good.  Thanks to you and macropod.  One hurdle.  The instructions
>> state "the width can be adjusted by dragging the paragraph's left
>> and/or right indent markers."  Using my example above, moving the
>> indent marker results in the whole line moving, thus
>> NAME: _______________________________________ becomes
>> NAME: __________________________________________
>> the 'name' text moves along with the indent.  What am I missing?
> 
> The comment about the indent markers applies only to lines created with 
> paragraph borders, not to any other kind of line. If you have any text 
> before or after the line, you obviously aren't using a paragraph border.
> 
> The article describes four other methods of making lines. I'll guess that 
> you used method 4 or 5, involving tabs. In that case, adjust the line length 
> by moving the tab stop markers on the ruler.
> 

You are correct.  I suspect one problem is I don't know what a 'tab stop 
marker' is.  I see the margin ruler but that's it.
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:27:38 -0400   author:   j lunis

Re: fields and underlines   
Much the easiest way is to put the field in a table cell and apply a bottom 
border to the cell.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"j lunis"  wrote in message 
news:%23riPBph$IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I have spent a lot of the morning researching and playing with a form and 
>can't find the answer.
> I want to have a line similar to
> NAME: __________________________________________
> with the underline at a fixed length when printed.
> On the underline I want a field that can be of varying length (but not 
> longer than the underline.
> I can get the fixed length underline and I can get the filed but I can 
> find no way to get both.
>
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:15:06 -0500   author:   Suzanne S. Barnhill

Re: fields and underlines   
j lunis wrote:
> Jay Freedman wrote:
>> j lunis wrote:
>>> Jay Freedman wrote:
>>>> j lunis wrote:
>>>>> I have spent a lot of the morning researching and playing with a
>>>>> form and can't find the answer.
>>>>> I want to have a line similar to
>>>>> NAME: __________________________________________
>>>>> with the underline at a fixed length when printed.
>>>>> On the underline I want a field that can be of varying length (but
>>>>> not longer than the underline.
>>>>> I can get the fixed length underline and I can get the filed but I
>>>>> can find no way to get both.
>>>> See http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/LinesInForms.htm
>>>>
>>> Very good.  Thanks to you and macropod.  One hurdle.  The
>>> instructions state "the width can be adjusted by dragging the
>>> paragraph's left and/or right indent markers."  Using my example
>>> above, moving the indent marker results in the whole line moving,
>>> thus NAME: _______________________________________ becomes
>>> NAME: __________________________________________
>>> the 'name' text moves along with the indent.  What am I missing?
>>
>> The comment about the indent markers applies only to lines created
>> with paragraph borders, not to any other kind of line. If you have
>> any text before or after the line, you obviously aren't using a
>> paragraph border. The article describes four other methods of making 
>> lines. I'll guess
>> that you used method 4 or 5, involving tabs. In that case, adjust
>> the line length by moving the tab stop markers on the ruler.
>>
>
> You are correct.  I suspect one problem is I don't know what a 'tab
> stop marker' is.  I see the margin ruler but that's it.

Tab stop markers are marks that appear on the ruler when you set tab stops 
(seems a little obvious), either by clicking on the ruler or by using the 
Format > Tabs dialog. There are several shapes: a thick L shape for a 
left-aligned tab, a backwards L for a right-aligned tab, and an upside-down 
T for a center-aligned tab (plus a few less common variants).

Read http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/SettingTabs.htm for 
explanations.

-- 
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP        FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so 
all may benefit.
date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:14:12 -0400   author:   Jay Freedman

Re: fields and underlines   
Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> Much the easiest way is to put the field in a table cell and apply a bottom 
> border to the cell.
> 

Very good.  Forms seem to be working well.
This may not strictly be a 'tables' question, but once I have saved a 
form as *.dot,is there a fast way to restart a form?
For example, if I ha half-way through filling out a form and want to 
start over, only way I can find to do it is FILE>CLOSE followed by 
FILE>OPEN>1.  Any single key (or combination, CTRL-O)) for 'do-over?
date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:12 -0400   author:   j lunis

Re: fields and underlines   
You mean to reset the form? Depending on version, you may be able to reset 
it by unprotecting and reprotecting, but in recent versions you have to do 
this through the Tools menu, as the button on the Forms toolbar doesn't 
reset the form. And of course if the form is password-protected, you 
wouldn't be able to unprotect it.

There's undoubtedly a VBA command that could somehow be run. There are 
ClearFormField and ResetFormField commands that could be added to a toolbar; 
if you could use Ctrl+A to select an entire form, that might work. But I'm 
just speculating, as I have almost no practical experience with forms.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"j lunis"  wrote in message 
news:ulAC8Ow$IHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>> Much the easiest way is to put the field in a table cell and apply a 
>> bottom border to the cell.
>>
>
> Very good.  Forms seem to be working well.
> This may not strictly be a 'tables' question, but once I have saved a form 
> as *.dot,is there a fast way to restart a form?
> For example, if I ha half-way through filling out a form and want to start 
> over, only way I can find to do it is FILE>CLOSE followed by FILE>OPEN>1. 
> Any single key (or combination, CTRL-O)) for 'do-over?
date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:02:38 -0500   author:   Suzanne S. Barnhill

Re: fields and underlines   
Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> You mean to reset the form? Depending on version, you may be able to reset 
> it by unprotecting and reprotecting, but in recent versions you have to do 
> this through the Tools menu, as the button on the Forms toolbar doesn't 
> reset the form. And of course if the form is password-protected, you 
> wouldn't be able to unprotect it.
> 
> There's undoubtedly a VBA command that could somehow be run. There are 
> ClearFormField and ResetFormField commands that could be added to a toolbar; 
> if you could use Ctrl+A to select an entire form, that might work. But I'm 
> just speculating, as I have almost no practical experience with forms.
> 

ClearFormField and/or ResetFormField sound like what I want - remove any 
entries made to all fields in a form and start over without 
closing/opening or unprotecting/protecting.
Surprisingly few hits when searching for these commands.  Where do I 
learn to use them in Word 2000?
date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:51:59 -0400   author:   j lunis

Re: fields and underlines   
If you go to Tools | Customize, they're in the list for All Commands, which 
means they can be added to a toolbar or assigned a keyboard shortcut 
(they're in that list as well). But I have no idea whether they'd work in a 
protected form.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"j lunis"  wrote in message 
news:O9iqRLVAJHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>> You mean to reset the form? Depending on version, you may be able to 
>> reset it by unprotecting and reprotecting, but in recent versions you 
>> have to do this through the Tools menu, as the button on the Forms 
>> toolbar doesn't reset the form. And of course if the form is 
>> password-protected, you wouldn't be able to unprotect it.
>>
>> There's undoubtedly a VBA command that could somehow be run. There are 
>> ClearFormField and ResetFormField commands that could be added to a 
>> toolbar; if you could use Ctrl+A to select an entire form, that might 
>> work. But I'm just speculating, as I have almost no practical experience 
>> with forms.
>>
>
> ClearFormField and/or ResetFormField sound like what I want - remove any 
> entries made to all fields in a form and start over without 
> closing/opening or unprotecting/protecting.
> Surprisingly few hits when searching for these commands.  Where do I learn 
> to use them in Word 2000?
>
date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:50:05 -0500   author:   Suzanne S. Barnhill

Re: fields and underlines   
Suzanne,
thanks for the help.
ClearFormField/ResetFormField do not appear in Tools>Customize or 
KIeyboard Shortcuts.  I guess they are not in word2000.  I looked in VBE 
- not there either.  Realy hate having to Close/Open a form just to 
clear the fields but, unless you have another idea, looks like I'm stuck.

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> If you go to Tools | Customize, they're in the list for All Commands, which 
> means they can be added to a toolbar or assigned a keyboard shortcut 
> (they're in that list as well). But I have no idea whether they'd work in a 
> protected form.
>
date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:07:56 -0400   author:   j lunis

Re: fields and underlines   
It may be that in Word 2000 any method of unprotecting and reprotecting will
reset the form (which means you can use the padlock button on the Forms
toolbar). ISTR that the difference was introduced in Word 2002; this is 
confirmed by http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/MacrosVBA/TurnFmFlfResetOff.htm, 
which tells the opposite of what you want to do, but you might find it 
helpful, anyway.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"j lunis"  wrote in message
news:uiBgRRfAJHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Suzanne,
> thanks for the help.
> ClearFormField/ResetFormField do not appear in Tools>Customize or
> KIeyboard Shortcuts.  I guess they are not in word2000.  I looked in VBE -
> not there either.  Realy hate having to Close/Open a form just to clear
> the fields but, unless you have another idea, looks like I'm stuck.
>
> Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>> If you go to Tools | Customize, they're in the list for All Commands,
>> which means they can be added to a toolbar or assigned a keyboard
>> shortcut (they're in that list as well). But I have no idea whether
>> they'd work in a protected form.
>>
>
date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:56:04 -0500   author:   Suzanne S. Barnhill

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