OS: Vista SP1
App: Word 2007 SP1

Hi

My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text 
alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of Justified.

Repro steps:
1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found
2. Create new document 
3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents)
4. Insert some text (Justified)
5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned)
6. On inspection Table text is Justified

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Mike

There is a peculiar connection between the formatting of the Normal style
and the text formatting in table styles (apparently, the behavior is by
design, for some reason).  :-(

The setting of the table style should be honored if you change back the 
Normal style to its default settings. (You could then use some other style 
than Normal for the text in the document that should be justified; be sure 
to add it to the template.)

However, it will be a lot easier not to modify the font and paragraph 
settings for table styles but instead apply the appropriate *paragraph 
style* to format the text in cells.

-- 
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Mike Faulkner"  wrote in message
news:1B273B4B-AF0B-4586-95C7-C2B7768697A4@microsoft.com...
> OS: Vista SP1
> App: Word 2007 SP1
>
> Hi
>
> My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text
> alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of Justified.
>
> Repro steps:
> 1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found
> 2. Create new document
> 3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents)
> 4. Insert some text (Justified)
> 5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned)
> 6. On inspection Table text is Justified
>
> Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards
> Mike

Stefan
Many thanks.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

> There is a peculiar connection between the formatting of the Normal style
> and the text formatting in table styles (apparently, the behavior is by
> design, for some reason).  :-(
> 
> The setting of the table style should be honored if you change back the 
> Normal style to its default settings. (You could then use some other style 
> than Normal for the text in the document that should be justified; be sure 
> to add it to the template.)
> 
> However, it will be a lot easier not to modify the font and paragraph 
> settings for table styles but instead apply the appropriate *paragraph 
> style* to format the text in cells.
> 
> -- 
> Stefan Blom
> Microsoft Word MVP
> 
> 
> "Mike Faulkner"  wrote in message
> news:1B273B4B-AF0B-4586-95C7-C2B7768697A4@microsoft.com...
> > OS: Vista SP1
> > App: Word 2007 SP1
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text
> > alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of Justified.
> >
> > Repro steps:
> > 1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found
> > 2. Create new document
> > 3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents)
> > 4. Insert some text (Justified)
> > 5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned)
> > 6. On inspection Table text is Justified
> >
> > Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Regards
> > Mike
> 
> 
> 
>

You are welcome.

FWIW, see also this article on table styles:
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/tablestyles/index.html.

-- 
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Mike Faulkner"  wrote in message
news:AD9E9337-8361-4352-988B-A329AA6DB813@microsoft.com...
> Stefan
> Many thanks.
>
> "Stefan Blom" wrote:
>
>> There is a peculiar connection between the formatting of the Normal style
>> and the text formatting in table styles (apparently, the behavior is by
>> design, for some reason).  :-(
>>
>> The setting of the table style should be honored if you change back the
>> Normal style to its default settings. (You could then use some other
>> style
>> than Normal for the text in the document that should be justified; be
>> sure
>> to add it to the template.)
>>
>> However, it will be a lot easier not to modify the font and paragraph
>> settings for table styles but instead apply the appropriate *paragraph
>> style* to format the text in cells.
>>
>> -- 
>> Stefan Blom
>> Microsoft Word MVP
>>
>>
>> "Mike Faulkner"  wrote in message
>> news:1B273B4B-AF0B-4586-95C7-C2B7768697A4@microsoft.com...
>> > OS: Vista SP1
>> > App: Word 2007 SP1
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text
>> > alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of
>> > Justified.
>> >
>> > Repro steps:
>> > 1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found
>> > 2. Create new document
>> > 3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents)
>> > 4. Insert some text (Justified)
>> > 5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned)
>> > 6. On inspection Table text is Justified
>> >
>> > Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>

Also of interest may be 
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NormalVsBodyStyles.htm

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom"  wrote in message 
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> You are welcome.
>
> FWIW, see also this article on table styles:
> http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/tablestyles/index.html.
>
> -- 
> Stefan Blom
> Microsoft Word MVP
>
>
> "Mike Faulkner"  wrote in message
> news:AD9E9337-8361-4352-988B-A329AA6DB813@microsoft.com...
>> Stefan
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> "Stefan Blom" wrote:
>>
>>> There is a peculiar connection between the formatting of the Normal 
>>> style
>>> and the text formatting in table styles (apparently, the behavior is by
>>> design, for some reason).  :-(
>>>
>>> The setting of the table style should be honored if you change back the
>>> Normal style to its default settings. (You could then use some other
>>> style
>>> than Normal for the text in the document that should be justified; be
>>> sure
>>> to add it to the template.)
>>>
>>> However, it will be a lot easier not to modify the font and paragraph
>>> settings for table styles but instead apply the appropriate *paragraph
>>> style* to format the text in cells.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Stefan Blom
>>> Microsoft Word MVP
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Faulkner"  wrote in 
>>> message
>>> news:1B273B4B-AF0B-4586-95C7-C2B7768697A4@microsoft.com...
>>> > OS: Vista SP1
>>> > App: Word 2007 SP1
>>> >
>>> > Hi
>>> >
>>> > My Normal style is set to Justified. When I insert a table it's text
>>> > alignment properties are ignored and uses previous alignment of
>>> > Justified.
>>> >
>>> > Repro steps:
>>> > 1. Delete any [Normal.dot] found
>>> > 2. Create new document
>>> > 3. Modify Normal to be Justified (All documents)
>>> > 4. Insert some text (Justified)
>>> > 5. Insert a table (Table style text alignment Left aligned)
>>> > 6. On inspection Table text is Justified
>>> >
>>> > Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> > Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

Suzanne,

Sad to say, but as you probably know, the  Word programmers have abandoned
your very sensible advice by setting Normal  in W2007 to 1.15 line spacing
plus 10 points space after.  I have been recommending to my corporate clients
that they change W2007's Normal to single spacing and no space after for the
reasons you give--I believe I got them from one of your answers some time ago.


PamC 

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>Also of interest may be 
>http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NormalVsBodyStyles.htm
>
>> You are welcome.
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>>>> > Regards
>>>> > Mike

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I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions
Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the
default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that is
more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly how
this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles if
the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up and 
that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting. At 
least MS does provide the No Spacing style, which could be used in place of 
Normal.

Although I'm not crazy about the spacing of the new Normal (which makes it
even more difficult to get an exact number of lines on a page), I like the
fact that it creates what, for many users, is a more attractive format from
the get-go (the amount of space between paragraphs is perhaps enough to wean
users from pressing Enter twice).  But I confess I've been using Word 2007
only for (a) blogging, for which the default style works well, and (b)
writing letters to my daughter using an old (Word 2003) template with old
styles. So I haven't had much experience with the new styles.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"PamC via OfficeKB.com" <u43222@uwe> wrote in message
news:87f2d53aa1c5b@uwe...
> Suzanne,
>
> Sad to say, but as you probably know, the  Word programmers have abandoned
> your very sensible advice by setting Normal  in W2007 to 1.15 line spacing
> plus 10 points space after.  I have been recommending to my corporate
> clients
> that they change W2007's Normal to single spacing and no space after for
> the
> reasons you give--I believe I got them from one of your answers some time
> ago.
>
>
> PamC
>
> Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>>Also of interest may be
>>http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NormalVsBodyStyles.htm
>>
>>> You are welcome.
>>>
>>[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> > Mike
>
> -- 
> Message posted via http://www.officekb.com
>
>

>I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions
> Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the
> default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that is
> more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly how
> this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles
> if
> the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up and
> that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting.

I think you are referring to the fact that Word 2007 allows you to set the
document defaults (on the Set Defaults tab of the Manage Styles dialog box),
which is different from changing the Normal style. I'm not sure if that is 
directly relevant for table styles, though.

FWIW, there is a thread on document defaults (in the .newusers group):

Manage Styles window query
http://groups.google.se/group/microsoft.public.word.newusers/browse_frm/thread/39591846ad2e7f6e/

-- 
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill"  wrote in message
news:euEeSMs8IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions
> Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the
> default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that is
> more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly how
> this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles
> if
> the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up and
> that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting.
> At least MS does provide the No Spacing style, which could be used in
> place of Normal.
>
> Although I'm not crazy about the spacing of the new Normal (which makes it
> even more difficult to get an exact number of lines on a page), I like the
> fact that it creates what, for many users, is a more attractive format
> from
> the get-go (the amount of space between paragraphs is perhaps enough to
> wean
> users from pressing Enter twice).  But I confess I've been using Word 2007
> only for (a) blogging, for which the default style works well, and (b)
> writing letters to my daughter using an old (Word 2003) template with old
> styles. So I haven't had much experience with the new styles.
>
> -- 
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "PamC via OfficeKB.com" <u43222@uwe> wrote in message
> news:87f2d53aa1c5b@uwe...
>> Suzanne,
>>
>> Sad to say, but as you probably know, the  Word programmers have
>> abandoned
>> your very sensible advice by setting Normal  in W2007 to 1.15 line
>> spacing
>> plus 10 points space after.  I have been recommending to my corporate
>> clients
>> that they change W2007's Normal to single spacing and no space after for
>> the
>> reasons you give--I believe I got them from one of your answers some time
>> ago.
>>
>>
>> PamC
>>
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>>>Also of interest may be
>>>http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NormalVsBodyStyles.htm
>>>
>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>
>>>[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>>>>>> > Regards
>>>>>> > Mike
>>
>> -- 
>> Message posted via http://www.officekb.com
>>
>>
>
>
>

Yes, thanks, Stefan. I think that may be what I'm thinking of, though I 
believe that there is also now a "default" font that is not just the font of 
Normal style, and that was what solved the table font problem. I notice that 
the definition of Normal style now explicitly includes reference to the 
default font (so that changing the style of Normal doesn't change the 
default).

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Stefan Blom"  wrote in message 
news:%23fewMwu8IHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions
>> Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the
>> default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that 
>> is
>> more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly 
>> how
>> this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles
>> if
>> the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up 
>> and
>> that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting.
>
> I think you are referring to the fact that Word 2007 allows you to set the
> document defaults (on the Set Defaults tab of the Manage Styles dialog 
> box),
> which is different from changing the Normal style. I'm not sure if that is 
> directly relevant for table styles, though.
>
> FWIW, there is a thread on document defaults (in the .newusers group):
>
> Manage Styles window query
> http://groups.google.se/group/microsoft.public.word.newusers/browse_frm/thread/39591846ad2e7f6e/
>
> -- 
> Stefan Blom
> Microsoft Word MVP
>
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill"  wrote in message
> news:euEeSMs8IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions
>> Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the
>> default style. In Word 2007, there's some underlying default style that 
>> is
>> more basic than Normal (and can be divorced from it). I forget exactly 
>> how
>> this plays out, but it has to do with the problems we saw in table styles
>> if
>> the font of Normal had been changed. It may be that I'm making this up 
>> and
>> that it's just the font that this affects, not the paragraph formatting.
>> At least MS does provide the No Spacing style, which could be used in
>> place of Normal.
>>
>> Although I'm not crazy about the spacing of the new Normal (which makes 
>> it
>> even more difficult to get an exact number of lines on a page), I like 
>> the
>> fact that it creates what, for many users, is a more attractive format
>> from
>> the get-go (the amount of space between paragraphs is perhaps enough to
>> wean
>> users from pressing Enter twice).  But I confess I've been using Word 
>> 2007
>> only for (a) blogging, for which the default style works well, and (b)
>> writing letters to my daughter using an old (Word 2003) template with old
>> styles. So I haven't had much experience with the new styles.
>>
>> -- 
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>> "PamC via OfficeKB.com" <u43222@uwe> wrote in message
>> news:87f2d53aa1c5b@uwe...
>>> Suzanne,
>>>
>>> Sad to say, but as you probably know, the  Word programmers have
>>> abandoned
>>> your very sensible advice by setting Normal  in W2007 to 1.15 line
>>> spacing
>>> plus 10 points space after.  I have been recommending to my corporate
>>> clients
>>> that they change W2007's Normal to single spacing and no space after for
>>> the
>>> reasons you give--I believe I got them from one of your answers some 
>>> time
>>> ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> PamC
>>>
>>> Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>>>>Also of interest may be
>>>>http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NormalVsBodyStyles.htm
>>>>
>>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>>>>>>> > Regards
>>>>>>> > Mike
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Message posted via http://www.officekb.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

By table font problem do you mean the one where  the table font  size (in a
table  style) cannot be set smaller than Normal?   Could be interesting.  

One of the first things I did was change Normal to my liking (11 pts, single
spacing).  But some of the other styles showed up with the extra spacing. At
the time I didn't know what to look for in the styles definitions.  I found
the default dialog by accident one day and changed the settings there to my
liking as well.  No more problems.  So, yes, Normal and default  are separate.


PamC

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>Yes, thanks, Stefan. I think that may be what I'm thinking of, though I 
>believe that there is also now a "default" font that is not just the font of 
>Normal style, and that was what solved the table font problem. I notice that 
>the definition of Normal style now explicitly includes reference to the 
>default font (so that changing the style of Normal doesn't change the 
>default).
>
>> >I forget the actual particulars, but it seems that in previous versions
>>> Normal was actually combining two functions: the "normal" style and the
>[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
>>>>>>>> > Regards
>>>>>>>> > Mike

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