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date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:40:01 -0700,    group: microsoft.public.word.tables        back       


moving table rows in word 2007   
Hi all,

This is one of those "it's so broken i must be getting the wrong idea" 
things...

in word 2007 whenever i try to move some rows within a table, it splits the 
table into 3 tables - the rows before the ones I moved; the rows i moved; and 
the rows after. the 3 tables abut each other and I can't see any way to join 
them back together into 1 table.

This happens every time in every document - it's not just a one-off 
corrupted table problem. it happens whether i use cut and paste or drag and 
drop.

the only way I can move or copy is to make space in the table by inserting 
new rows and then copy the contents by making sure I only select the cells, 
not the entire row (i.e. not selecting the end-of-row marker)

any clues please - am i missing a patch or something? this makes word tables 
unusable for me with office 20087

Andy
date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:40:01 -0700   author:   Andy Fish

RE: moving table rows in word 2007   
What happens if you click in a row in the middle of a table (you do not need 
to select the entire row) and press Alt+Shift+Up Arrow or Down Arrow – does 
this also split the table?

Note that If the topmost row(s) are in the selection and if the table is not 
in the start of the document, this method will split the row(s) from the 
original table.

-- 
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Andy Fish" wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> This is one of those "it's so broken i must be getting the wrong idea" 
> things...
> 
> in word 2007 whenever i try to move some rows within a table, it splits the 
> table into 3 tables - the rows before the ones I moved; the rows i moved; and 
> the rows after. the 3 tables abut each other and I can't see any way to join 
> them back together into 1 table.
> 
> This happens every time in every document - it's not just a one-off 
> corrupted table problem. it happens whether i use cut and paste or drag and 
> drop.
> 
> the only way I can move or copy is to make space in the table by inserting 
> new rows and then copy the contents by making sure I only select the cells, 
> not the entire row (i.e. not selecting the end-of-row marker)
> 
> any clues please - am i missing a patch or something? this makes word tables 
> unusable for me with office 20087
> 
> Andy
>
date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:45:02 -0700   author:   Lene Fredborg

Re: moving table rows in word 2007   
hmm, thanks for the tip - those keystrokes work without splitting the table

incidentally it seems that I was wrong about it happening every time - I 
just created a new blank document and it didn't happen.

it has happened several times on different documents from different sources. 
the only link i can find is that they were all large tables in landscape 
mode which ran across several pages

Andy

"Lene Fredborg"  wrote in message 
news:D314C35C-7D62-4302-85CE-515129426813@microsoft.com...
> What happens if you click in a row in the middle of a table (you do not 
> need
> to select the entire row) and press Alt+Shift+Up Arrow or Down Arrow - 
> does
> this also split the table?
>
> Note that If the topmost row(s) are in the selection and if the table is 
> not
> in the start of the document, this method will split the row(s) from the
> original table.
>
> -- 
> Regards
> Lene Fredborg
> DocTools - Denmark
> www.thedoctools.com
> Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
>
>
> "Andy Fish" wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is one of those "it's so broken i must be getting the wrong idea"
>> things...
>>
>> in word 2007 whenever i try to move some rows within a table, it splits 
>> the
>> table into 3 tables - the rows before the ones I moved; the rows i moved; 
>> and
>> the rows after. the 3 tables abut each other and I can't see any way to 
>> join
>> them back together into 1 table.
>>
>> This happens every time in every document - it's not just a one-off
>> corrupted table problem. it happens whether i use cut and paste or drag 
>> and
>> drop.
>>
>> the only way I can move or copy is to make space in the table by 
>> inserting
>> new rows and then copy the contents by making sure I only select the 
>> cells,
>> not the entire row (i.e. not selecting the end-of-row marker)
>>
>> any clues please - am i missing a patch or something? this makes word 
>> tables
>> unusable for me with office 20087
>>
>> Andy
>>
date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:50:20 +0100   author:   Andy Fish

Re: moving table rows in word 2007   
I am wondering/guessing: Did you press Ctrl+Return to insert page breaks in 
the original tables in order to push rows to the next page page?

If that is the case, it could explain what happens. A page break splits a 
table into two. If you move rows around, the page break may no longer fall at 
the bottom of the page and this may make it obvious that you have more than 
one table.

You can see the page breaks if you turn on non-printing characters 
(Ctrl+Shift+8). If you click in a table and select Table > Select > Table, 
you can also check how much is selected – the command selects an entire table.

If you need page breaks in a table, select all of or part of the row you 
want to start on a new page. Then select Format > Paragraph > Line and Page 
Breaks tab and turn on “Page break before”. This will not split the table.

-- 
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Andy Fish" wrote:

> hmm, thanks for the tip - those keystrokes work without splitting the table
> 
> incidentally it seems that I was wrong about it happening every time - I 
> just created a new blank document and it didn't happen.
> 
> it has happened several times on different documents from different sources. 
> the only link i can find is that they were all large tables in landscape 
> mode which ran across several pages
> 
> Andy
> 
> "Lene Fredborg"  wrote in message 
> news:D314C35C-7D62-4302-85CE-515129426813@microsoft.com...
> > What happens if you click in a row in the middle of a table (you do not 
> > need
> > to select the entire row) and press Alt+Shift+Up Arrow or Down Arrow - 
> > does
> > this also split the table?
> >
> > Note that If the topmost row(s) are in the selection and if the table is 
> > not
> > in the start of the document, this method will split the row(s) from the
> > original table.
> >
> > -- 
> > Regards
> > Lene Fredborg
> > DocTools - Denmark
> > www.thedoctools.com
> > Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
> >
> >
> > "Andy Fish" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> This is one of those "it's so broken i must be getting the wrong idea"
> >> things...
> >>
> >> in word 2007 whenever i try to move some rows within a table, it splits 
> >> the
> >> table into 3 tables - the rows before the ones I moved; the rows i moved; 
> >> and
> >> the rows after. the 3 tables abut each other and I can't see any way to 
> >> join
> >> them back together into 1 table.
> >>
> >> This happens every time in every document - it's not just a one-off
> >> corrupted table problem. it happens whether i use cut and paste or drag 
> >> and
> >> drop.
> >>
> >> the only way I can move or copy is to make space in the table by 
> >> inserting
> >> new rows and then copy the contents by making sure I only select the 
> >> cells,
> >> not the entire row (i.e. not selecting the end-of-row marker)
> >>
> >> any clues please - am i missing a patch or something? this makes word 
> >> tables
> >> unusable for me with office 20087
> >>
> >> Andy
> >> 
> 
> 
>
date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:46:16 -0700   author:   Lene Fredborg

Re: moving table rows in word 2007   
I, too have the same problem. I paste a row and then it break apart the table 
into three pieces that cannot be joined. Please help!

"Lene Fredborg" wrote:

> I am wondering/guessing: Did you press Ctrl+Return to insert page breaks in 
> the original tables in order to push rows to the next page page?
> 
> If that is the case, it could explain what happens. A page break splits a 
> table into two. If you move rows around, the page break may no longer fall at 
> the bottom of the page and this may make it obvious that you have more than 
> one table.
> 
> You can see the page breaks if you turn on non-printing characters 
> (Ctrl+Shift+8). If you click in a table and select Table > Select > Table, 
> you can also check how much is selected – the command selects an entire table.
> 
> If you need page breaks in a table, select all of or part of the row you 
> want to start on a new page. Then select Format > Paragraph > Line and Page 
> Breaks tab and turn on “Page break before”. This will not split the table.
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> Lene Fredborg
> DocTools - Denmark
> www.thedoctools.com
> Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
> 
> 
> "Andy Fish" wrote:
> 
> > hmm, thanks for the tip - those keystrokes work without splitting the table
> > 
> > incidentally it seems that I was wrong about it happening every time - I 
> > just created a new blank document and it didn't happen.
> > 
> > it has happened several times on different documents from different sources. 
> > the only link i can find is that they were all large tables in landscape 
> > mode which ran across several pages
> > 
> > Andy
> > 
> > "Lene Fredborg"  wrote in message 
> > news:D314C35C-7D62-4302-85CE-515129426813@microsoft.com...
> > > What happens if you click in a row in the middle of a table (you do not 
> > > need
> > > to select the entire row) and press Alt+Shift+Up Arrow or Down Arrow - 
> > > does
> > > this also split the table?
> > >
> > > Note that If the topmost row(s) are in the selection and if the table is 
> > > not
> > > in the start of the document, this method will split the row(s) from the
> > > original table.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Regards
> > > Lene Fredborg
> > > DocTools - Denmark
> > > www.thedoctools.com
> > > Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andy Fish" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> This is one of those "it's so broken i must be getting the wrong idea"
> > >> things...
> > >>
> > >> in word 2007 whenever i try to move some rows within a table, it splits 
> > >> the
> > >> table into 3 tables - the rows before the ones I moved; the rows i moved; 
> > >> and
> > >> the rows after. the 3 tables abut each other and I can't see any way to 
> > >> join
> > >> them back together into 1 table.
> > >>
> > >> This happens every time in every document - it's not just a one-off
> > >> corrupted table problem. it happens whether i use cut and paste or drag 
> > >> and
> > >> drop.
> > >>
> > >> the only way I can move or copy is to make space in the table by 
> > >> inserting
> > >> new rows and then copy the contents by making sure I only select the 
> > >> cells,
> > >> not the entire row (i.e. not selecting the end-of-row marker)
> > >>
> > >> any clues please - am i missing a patch or something? this makes word 
> > >> tables
> > >> unusable for me with office 20087
> > >>
> > >> Andy
> > >> 
> > 
> > 
> >
date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:16:00 -0700   author:   eknebel

Re: moving table rows in word 2007   
This usually happens if you are pasting from one table to another, and the
tables have different settings for "Text wrapping" (on the Table tab of the
Table Properties dialog box). Make sure both tables have "Text wrapping" set 
to "None," and then try again.

If you are copying/pasting within a single table--did you try the other 
suggestions in this thread?

-- 
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"eknebel"  wrote in message
news:33A81849-8FAB-4327-BC2A-036939CB20F2@microsoft.com...
> I, too have the same problem. I paste a row and then it break apart the
> table
> into three pieces that cannot be joined. Please help!
>
> "Lene Fredborg" wrote:
>
>> I am wondering/guessing: Did you press Ctrl+Return to insert page breaks
>> in
>> the original tables in order to push rows to the next page page?
>>
>> If that is the case, it could explain what happens. A page break splits a
>> table into two. If you move rows around, the page break may no longer
>> fall at
>> the bottom of the page and this may make it obvious that you have more
>> than
>> one table.
>>
>> You can see the page breaks if you turn on non-printing characters
>> (Ctrl+Shift+8). If you click in a table and select Table > Select >
>> Table,
>> you can also check how much is selected - the command selects an entire
>> table.
>>
>> If you need page breaks in a table, select all of or part of the row you
>> want to start on a new page. Then select Format > Paragraph > Line and
>> Page
>> Breaks tab and turn on "Page break before". This will not split the
>> table.
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards
>> Lene Fredborg
>> DocTools - Denmark
>> www.thedoctools.com
>> Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
>>
>>
>> "Andy Fish" wrote:
>>
>> > hmm, thanks for the tip - those keystrokes work without splitting the
>> > table
>> >
>> > incidentally it seems that I was wrong about it happening every time -
>> > I
>> > just created a new blank document and it didn't happen.
>> >
>> > it has happened several times on different documents from different
>> > sources.
>> > the only link i can find is that they were all large tables in
>> > landscape
>> > mode which ran across several pages
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> > "Lene Fredborg"  wrote in message
>> > news:D314C35C-7D62-4302-85CE-515129426813@microsoft.com...
>> > > What happens if you click in a row in the middle of a table (you do
>> > > not
>> > > need
>> > > to select the entire row) and press Alt+Shift+Up Arrow or Down
>> > > Arrow -
>> > > does
>> > > this also split the table?
>> > >
>> > > Note that If the topmost row(s) are in the selection and if the table
>> > > is
>> > > not
>> > > in the start of the document, this method will split the row(s) from
>> > > the
>> > > original table.
>> > >
>> > > -- 
>> > > Regards
>> > > Lene Fredborg
>> > > DocTools - Denmark
>> > > www.thedoctools.com
>> > > Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft
>> > > Word
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Andy Fish" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi all,
>> > >>
>> > >> This is one of those "it's so broken i must be getting the wrong
>> > >> idea"
>> > >> things...
>> > >>
>> > >> in word 2007 whenever i try to move some rows within a table, it
>> > >> splits
>> > >> the
>> > >> table into 3 tables - the rows before the ones I moved; the rows i
>> > >> moved;
>> > >> and
>> > >> the rows after. the 3 tables abut each other and I can't see any way
>> > >> to
>> > >> join
>> > >> them back together into 1 table.
>> > >>
>> > >> This happens every time in every document - it's not just a one-off
>> > >> corrupted table problem. it happens whether i use cut and paste or
>> > >> drag
>> > >> and
>> > >> drop.
>> > >>
>> > >> the only way I can move or copy is to make space in the table by
>> > >> inserting
>> > >> new rows and then copy the contents by making sure I only select the
>> > >> cells,
>> > >> not the entire row (i.e. not selecting the end-of-row marker)
>> > >>
>> > >> any clues please - am i missing a patch or something? this makes
>> > >> word
>> > >> tables
>> > >> unusable for me with office 20087
>> > >>
>> > >> Andy
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:35:53 +0200   author:   Stefan Blom

Re: moving table rows in word 2007   
This is just within the same table.  In 2003, you could select a row with 
your mouse and drag that row up and down the table to reorder them.  Now when 
you do  that, it creates multiple separate tables out of the original single 
table.  

FYI, I tried setting Text Wrapping for the table to "None" and it didn't 
have an effect on this problem.  

Using the keystrokes (SHIFT+ALT+ [up/down]) works the way this should behave.

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

> This usually happens if you are pasting from one table to another, and the
> tables have different settings for "Text wrapping" (on the Table tab of the
> Table Properties dialog box). Make sure both tables have "Text wrapping" set 
> to "None," and then try again.
> 
> If you are copying/pasting within a single table--did you try the other 
> suggestions in this thread?
> 
> -- 
> Stefan Blom
> Microsoft Word MVP
> 
> 
> "eknebel"  wrote in message
> news:33A81849-8FAB-4327-BC2A-036939CB20F2@microsoft.com...
> > I, too have the same problem. I paste a row and then it break apart the
> > table
> > into three pieces that cannot be joined. Please help!
> >
date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:40:14 -0700   author:   Nick Ryberg Nick

Re: moving table rows in word 2007   
See if the rows have "Keep with next" and/or "Page break before" enabled 
(Format | Paragraph, Line and Page Breaks tab).

-- 
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Nick Ryberg" <Nick Ryberg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E97A0417-ACAB-411E-9D12-9CE1CDD18780@microsoft.com...
> This is just within the same table.  In 2003, you could select a row with
> your mouse and drag that row up and down the table to reorder them.  Now
> when
> you do  that, it creates multiple separate tables out of the original
> single
> table.
>
> FYI, I tried setting Text Wrapping for the table to "None" and it didn't
> have an effect on this problem.
>
> Using the keystrokes (SHIFT+ALT+ [up/down]) works the way this should
> behave.
>
> "Stefan Blom" wrote:
>
>> This usually happens if you are pasting from one table to another, and
>> the
>> tables have different settings for "Text wrapping" (on the Table tab of
>> the
>> Table Properties dialog box). Make sure both tables have "Text wrapping"
>> set
>> to "None," and then try again.
>>
>> If you are copying/pasting within a single table--did you try the other
>> suggestions in this thread?
>>
>> -- 
>> Stefan Blom
>> Microsoft Word MVP
>>
>>
>> "eknebel"  wrote in message
>> news:33A81849-8FAB-4327-BC2A-036939CB20F2@microsoft.com...
>> > I, too have the same problem. I paste a row and then it break apart the
>> > table
>> > into three pieces that cannot be joined. Please help!
>> >
date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:32:03 +0200   author:   Stefan Blom

RE: moving table rows in word 2007   
It would be nice if when you do a search in the help on moving rows in a 
table this key combination actual came up. In stead the recommendation is to 
use the drag and drop technique.

"Lene Fredborg" wrote:

> What happens if you click in a row in the middle of a table (you do not need 
> to select the entire row) and press Alt+Shift+Up Arrow or Down Arrow – does 
> this also split the table?
> 
> Note that If the topmost row(s) are in the selection and if the table is not 
> in the start of the document, this method will split the row(s) from the 
> original table.
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> Lene Fredborg
> DocTools - Denmark
> www.thedoctools.com
> Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
> 
> 
> "Andy Fish" wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > This is one of those "it's so broken i must be getting the wrong idea" 
> > things...
> > 
> > in word 2007 whenever i try to move some rows within a table, it splits the 
> > table into 3 tables - the rows before the ones I moved; the rows i moved; and 
> > the rows after. the 3 tables abut each other and I can't see any way to join 
> > them back together into 1 table.
> > 
> > This happens every time in every document - it's not just a one-off 
> > corrupted table problem. it happens whether i use cut and paste or drag and 
> > drop.
> > 
> > the only way I can move or copy is to make space in the table by inserting 
> > new rows and then copy the contents by making sure I only select the cells, 
> > not the entire row (i.e. not selecting the end-of-row marker)
> > 
> > any clues please - am i missing a patch or something? this makes word tables 
> > unusable for me with office 20087
> > 
> > Andy
> >
date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:22:01 -0700   author:   BagelC

Re: moving table rows in word 2007   
At the bottom of the help topic use the feedback buttons to suggest that to Microsoft.  They do make changes help more quickly than
in the program :)

============
  <<"BagelC"  wrote in message news:0435C468-0A66-4BF6-88FA-AAC78A1AD21A@microsoft.com...

It would be nice if when you do a search in the help on moving rows in a
table this key combination actual came up. In stead the recommendation is to
use the drag and drop technique. <<
-- 

Bob  Buckland  ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

  *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 02:43:03 -0700   author:   Bob Buckland ?:-\) 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com

Re: moving table rows in word 2007   
Hi.  It is happened to me as well.  Cut and Paste or Drag and Drop splits the 
table into 3.  However, Shift+Alt+Up/Down moves the rows up/down as expected.

I didn't notice this behaviour when I first had word 2007 installed.  
Perhaps it has been broken in an Office Update?

Please fix this Microsoft!

Jeremy
date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:22:13 -0700   author:   pridmorej

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