Re: Word2007 not showing font right. CorelX3 does. New Vista machi   

I have received the font - and replied. For the benefit of those watching, 
who might be able to cast more light in the subject, the font displays 
correctly as a truetype font in the font viewer and is listed in the fonts 
list for both Word 2003 and 2007, however it does not display correctly in 
that an alternative font is substituted (several printer drivers tried) and 
the same font is sent to the printer.

The font displays correctly in other applications.

I am totally baffled - this does not fit the standard problem area that I 
was trying to get over earlier, which is why we were for a while on 
different wavelengths. I hope that others may have some ideas, to which end 
I have cross posted to the printingfonts forum.


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Graham Mayor -  Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
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date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:58:55 +0300   author:   Graham Mayor

Re: Word2007 not showing font right. CorelX3 does. New Vista machi   

Graham Mayor wrote:
> I have received the font - and replied. For the benefit of those watching, 
> who might be able to cast more light in the subject, the font displays 
> correctly as a truetype font in the font viewer and is listed in the fonts 
> list for both Word 2003 and 2007, however it does not display correctly in 
> that an alternative font is substituted (several printer drivers tried) and 
> the same font is sent to the printer.
> 
> The font displays correctly in other applications.
> 
> I am totally baffled - this does not fit the standard problem area that I 
> was trying to get over earlier, which is why we were for a while on 
> different wavelengths. I hope that others may have some ideas, to which end 
> I have cross posted to the printingfonts forum.

Some thoughts:

What are the NAMEs of the font, as seen with FontLab or Fontographer 
or anything else that can display all of the internal names? Are they 
internally consistent and do they possibly conflict with some other 
font? And what is the font

What program was used to create the font? For instance, with 
TheFontCreator it's very awkward to properly load a font's tables.

Was the font created by opening some other font to use as a template 
(it might have some built-in artifacts that are confusing something)?

What is the font that is substituted (I gather that the substitution 
occurs in Word both on-screen and when printed)?

Does the Microsoft Font Validator indicate any unusual errors (Almost 
EVERY font will display many "fatal" errors, so it takes some 
experience to determine which are unusual!)

  - Character

date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:22:33 GMT   author:   Character e

Re: Word2007 not showing font right. CorelX3 does. New Vista machi   

My best guess:

The algorithm that the Windows GDI has - or at least used to have - for 
selecting a font is not particularly obvious. It's a long time since I had 
to look at this - in fact my info. is probably pre-TrueType - , but in 
essence, when a program requests a font using the GDI routines, windows 
tries to find a match using the following characteristics in the following 
sequence:
 Character set
Pitch
Family (e.g. Decorative Modern, Roman, Script, Swiss)
Facename
...and so on...

If that is still correct, then I guess it's possible that a request for a 
font name myfont may actually result in substitution by another font if the 
requested character set is not available. Now it's also a long time since 
I've created a font from scratch so I don't know what you would typically 
specify (I used to use Corel to do it), but perhaps Word is always looking 
for Unicode sets first, or perhaps something else that has not been 
explicitly specified in the font that the user created.

Doesn't explain everything of course - e.g. why some software is OK and 
other software is not, why printer is OK and screen is not, but perhaps
 a. some software still uses older API calls than others
 b. Word in particular is taking account of special "compatibility settings"
 c. the user used to have some Windows-wide font settings (there used to be 
some in WIN.INI, so I imagine they are in the registry somewhere now) which 
have been lost during an upgrade.

-- 
Peter Jamieson
http://tips.pjmsn.me.uk

"Graham Mayor"  wrote in message 
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>I have received the font - and replied. For the benefit of those watching, 
>who might be able to cast more light in the subject, the font displays 
>correctly as a truetype font in the font viewer and is listed in the fonts 
>list for both Word 2003 and 2007, however it does not display correctly in 
>that an alternative font is substituted (several printer drivers tried) and 
>the same font is sent to the printer.
>
> The font displays correctly in other applications.
>
> I am totally baffled - this does not fit the standard problem area that I 
> was trying to get over earlier, which is why we were for a while on 
> different wavelengths. I hope that others may have some ideas, to which 
> end I have cross posted to the printingfonts forum.
>
>
> -- 
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> Graham Mayor -  Word MVP
>
> My web site www.gmayor.com
> Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
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date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:35:30 +0100   author:   Peter Jamieson

Re: Word2007 not showing font right. CorelX3 does. New Vista machi   

OK, just got the MS font group membership to get at the Validator download, 
got it and run my font through it (not a public font - called ANouvSJB if it 
helps).
and, yes, there are numerous errors.

Looking at the old PC, it looks like I used a rather old authoring program ;
Font Lab; TypeTool 1.3 (2001)
and I think I remember finding after finished that I had High Logic; Font 
Creator Pro 5.0.1 (2005).

It was based on an existing font to start with and then extensively changed.

But the big one is that I seem to have copied the font to Vista fonts rather 
than installed it (probably to get something to work quickly).

Anyway, once it is deleted, Vista won't then re-install it; it says it is an 
invalid font file (which might be why I copied it).  So it looks as though 
Vista does the same checks that Word does.

I've got some major work to do for a week, but after that I'll come back here.

I've got the validator output and can put that somewhere if it will help.

If I re-author via Font Creator Pro 5.0.1 (2005) would that be a good move?

I'll pick up any thoughts you folks may have next week

Regards

Steve

PS I still think it's a bit mean that other apps can use it but there's no 
option to let Word try it.  I can understand a warning - then you could 
ascribe problems to the font - but to shut you out completely feels a 
backward step.

date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:22:00 -0700   author:   Windbag