Ureader.com  
Microsoft software help and Community
   home   |   control panel login   |   archive   |  
 
Word
application.errors
conversions
docmanagement
drawing.graphics
formatting.longdocs
international
internet.assistant
mail
mailmerge.fields
menustoolbars
newusers
numbering
oleinterop
pagelayout
printingfonts
setup.networking
spelling.grammar
tables
vba.addins
vba.beginners
vba.customization
vba.general
vba.userforms
web.authoring
word6-7macros
word97vba
  
 
date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:50:34 -0500,    group: microsoft.public.word.printingfonts        back       


Symbols change between computers   
I have a Word 2000 document that is a legal description which contains the 
symbol for a degree symbol.  The symbol appears normally on one computer but 
displays as a "B" on another computer.  Both computers have the same version 
of Word installed, both running Windows XP, both have the same printers. 
The font is Times New Roman, which is installed on both computers.  There is 
no direct formatting applied, but if I copy the text with the degree symbol 
showing and paste it as plain text, I get a capital B - even in the same 
document.  Can anybody explain this?
date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:50:34 -0500   author:   Mary Gudobba

Re: Symbols change between computers   
When you create text in a document, each character is replaced by code 
which is then stored.  When you open the document, the system maps each 
code to a glyph/character and renders it to the screen. The details of 
that are handled by the operating system's Graphics Device Interface, the 
application, and the printer driver interacting.

Now, to "cut to the chase".

I suspect the original document was created in Word Perfect.

Documents created in Word Perfect use a different font for rendering the 
degree sign (and other symbols) than the text font. It uses a particular 
"Symbol" font. Symbol fonts use non-standard encoding. The font they use 
encodes 'degree' to the same code as text fonts use for upper case B.

Now, depending on system settings and font availability, the system used 
to open and view the file might substitute fonts. That is apparently what 
is happening this case.

Once cure is to delete the offending character and insert the degree 
symbol using Alt 0186 (on the key pad).

Tom
MSMVP
Windows Shell/User


"Mary Gudobba"  wrote in message 
news:OTLSMLTSGHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
|I have a Word 2000 document that is a legal description which contains 
the
| symbol for a degree symbol.  The symbol appears normally on one 
computer but
| displays as a "B" on another computer.  Both computers have the same 
version
| of Word installed, both running Windows XP, both have the same 
printers.
| The font is Times New Roman, which is installed on both computers. 
There is
| no direct formatting applied, but if I copy the text with the degree 
symbol
| showing and paste it as plain text, I get a capital B - even in the 
same
| document.  Can anybody explain this?
|
|
date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:54:04 -0400   author:   Thomas Ferguson

Re: Symbols change between computers   
Any chance this is a document that was converted from Word Perfect?
-- 
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
 --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.


"Mary Gudobba"  wrote in message 
news:OTLSMLTSGHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>I have a Word 2000 document that is a legal description which contains the 
>symbol for a degree symbol.  The symbol appears normally on one computer 
>but displays as a "B" on another computer.  Both computers have the same 
>version of Word installed, both running Windows XP, both have the same 
>printers. The font is Times New Roman, which is installed on both 
>computers.  There is no direct formatting applied, but if I copy the text 
>with the degree symbol showing and paste it as plain text, I get a capital 
>B - even in the same document.  Can anybody explain this?
>
date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:56:01 -0600   author:   Charles Kenyon

Re: Symbols change between computers   
While we do have WordPerfect installed (on both machines) and have had 
trouble with the WP typographic symbols in the past, this is not the case 
this time.  The document was recently created in Word 2000.  With other WP 
typographic symbol problems, when you highlight the symbol you see the font 
is WP TS, but this is not the case.  In this document when the symbol is 
highlighted it shows as Times New Roman.
As a test I took a degree symbol from WordPerfect and pasted it into word 
and highlighted the symbol.  The font shows as WP MathA.  I'm stumped and we 
really need to find out why this is happening. We suddenly have to check 
legal descriptions after they are printed just to make sure the degree 
symbol didn't change.


"Charles Kenyon"  wrote in message 
news:Oa2$pRUSGHA.4600@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Any chance this is a document that was converted from Word Perfect?
> -- 
> Charles Kenyon
>
> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
>
> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
>
> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
> --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
>
>
> "Mary Gudobba"  wrote in message 
> news:OTLSMLTSGHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>I have a Word 2000 document that is a legal description which contains the 
>>symbol for a degree symbol.  The symbol appears normally on one computer 
>>but displays as a "B" on another computer.  Both computers have the same 
>>version of Word installed, both running Windows XP, both have the same 
>>printers. The font is Times New Roman, which is installed on both 
>>computers.  There is no direct formatting applied, but if I copy the text 
>>with the degree symbol showing and paste it as plain text, I get a capital 
>>B - even in the same document.  Can anybody explain this?
>>
>
>
date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:27:46 -0500   author:   Mary Gudobba

Re: Symbols change between computers   
Try the Alt-0186 solution to creating the symbol. See if that gives the 
same problem on this machine.
-- 
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
 --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
from my ignorance and your wisdom.


"Mary Gudobba"  wrote in message 
news:uZ5uBjUSGHA.196@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> While we do have WordPerfect installed (on both machines) and have had 
> trouble with the WP typographic symbols in the past, this is not the case 
> this time.  The document was recently created in Word 2000.  With other WP 
> typographic symbol problems, when you highlight the symbol you see the 
> font is WP TS, but this is not the case.  In this document when the symbol 
> is highlighted it shows as Times New Roman.
> As a test I took a degree symbol from WordPerfect and pasted it into word 
> and highlighted the symbol.  The font shows as WP MathA.  I'm stumped and 
> we really need to find out why this is happening. We suddenly have to 
> check legal descriptions after they are printed just to make sure the 
> degree symbol didn't change.
>
>
> "Charles Kenyon"  wrote in message 
> news:Oa2$pRUSGHA.4600@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> Any chance this is a document that was converted from Word Perfect?
>> -- 
>> Charles Kenyon
>>
>> Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
>>
>> Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of 
>> Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
>>
>> See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
>> --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
>> This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
>> and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
>> from my ignorance and your wisdom.
>>
>>
>> "Mary Gudobba"  wrote in message 
>> news:OTLSMLTSGHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>I have a Word 2000 document that is a legal description which contains 
>>>the symbol for a degree symbol.  The symbol appears normally on one 
>>>computer but displays as a "B" on another computer.  Both computers have 
>>>the same version of Word installed, both running Windows XP, both have 
>>>the same printers. The font is Times New Roman, which is installed on 
>>>both computers.  There is no direct formatting applied, but if I copy the 
>>>text with the degree symbol showing and paste it as plain text, I get a 
>>>capital B - even in the same document.  Can anybody explain this?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:34:26 -0600   author:   Charles Kenyon

Re: Symbols change between computers   
Like Tom and Charles, I immediately jumped to a WP origin as an explanation,
but when it didn't appear that there was a degree symbol in the WP
Typographic Symbols font (with which I've had the most experience in these
problems), I discarded that theory. I know longer have WP Math A installed,
but if you're seeing some indications that this font is implicated, note the
ASCII code for a degree symbol in that font and see if it is the same as for
B in TNR (66).
-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Mary Gudobba"  wrote in message
news:uZ5uBjUSGHA.196@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> While we do have WordPerfect installed (on both machines) and have had
> trouble with the WP typographic symbols in the past, this is not the case
> this time.  The document was recently created in Word 2000.  With other WP
> typographic symbol problems, when you highlight the symbol you see the
font
> is WP TS, but this is not the case.  In this document when the symbol is
> highlighted it shows as Times New Roman.
> As a test I took a degree symbol from WordPerfect and pasted it into word
> and highlighted the symbol.  The font shows as WP MathA.  I'm stumped and
we
> really need to find out why this is happening. We suddenly have to check
> legal descriptions after they are printed just to make sure the degree
> symbol didn't change.
>
>
> "Charles Kenyon"  wrote in message
> news:Oa2$pRUSGHA.4600@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Any chance this is a document that was converted from Word Perfect?
> > -- 
> > Charles Kenyon
> >
> > Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
> >
> > Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
> > Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
> >
> > See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
> > --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> > This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
> > and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
> > from my ignorance and your wisdom.
> >
> >
> > "Mary Gudobba"  wrote in message
> > news:OTLSMLTSGHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >>I have a Word 2000 document that is a legal description which contains
the
> >>symbol for a degree symbol.  The symbol appears normally on one computer
> >>but displays as a "B" on another computer.  Both computers have the same
> >>version of Word installed, both running Windows XP, both have the same
> >>printers. The font is Times New Roman, which is installed on both
> >>computers.  There is no direct formatting applied, but if I copy the
text
> >>with the degree symbol showing and paste it as plain text, I get a
capital
> >>B - even in the same document.  Can anybody explain this?
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:21:15 -0600   author:   Suzanne S. Barnhill

Re: Symbols change between computers   
On a machine on which this happens, when this is happening, navigate to 
Tools   Options   Compatibility   Font Substitution, is there anything 
listed? If so, what?

Tom
MSMVP
Windows Shell/User


"Mary Gudobba"  wrote in message 
news:uZ5uBjUSGHA.196@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| While we do have WordPerfect installed (on both machines) and have had
| trouble with the WP typographic symbols in the past, this is not the 
case
| this time.  The document was recently created in Word 2000.  With other 
WP
| typographic symbol problems, when you highlight the symbol you see the 
font
| is WP TS, but this is not the case.  In this document when the symbol 
is
| highlighted it shows as Times New Roman.
| As a test I took a degree symbol from WordPerfect and pasted it into 
word
| and highlighted the symbol.  The font shows as WP MathA.  I'm stumped 
and we
| really need to find out why this is happening. We suddenly have to 
check
| legal descriptions after they are printed just to make sure the degree
| symbol didn't change.
|
|
| "Charles Kenyon"  wrote in message
| news:Oa2$pRUSGHA.4600@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| > Any chance this is a document that was converted from Word Perfect?
| > -- 
| > Charles Kenyon
| >
| > Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word
| >
| > Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
| > Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
| >
| > See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
| > --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
| > This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies
| > and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn
| > from my ignorance and your wisdom.
| >
| >
| > "Mary Gudobba"  wrote in message
| > news:OTLSMLTSGHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| >>I have a Word 2000 document that is a legal description which 
contains the
| >>symbol for a degree symbol.  The symbol appears normally on one 
computer
| >>but displays as a "B" on another computer.  Both computers have the 
same
| >>version of Word installed, both running Windows XP, both have the 
same
| >>printers. The font is Times New Roman, which is installed on both
| >>computers.  There is no direct formatting applied, but if I copy the 
text
| >>with the degree symbol showing and paste it as plain text, I get a 
capital
| >>B - even in the same document.  Can anybody explain this?
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:48:16 -0400   author:   Thomas Ferguson

Google
 
Web ureader.com


    COPYRIGHT 2007, YARDI TECHNOLOGY LIMITED, ALL RIGHT RESERVE  |   contact us